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    • What happens if Manuel, Xinya and the Colossus Footsteps Pass are attacked by Nascents at the same time? Neither Nascent will be able to assist the other, and the Pass will be unguarded.
     
    no. said:
    I am unsure of our ability to hold Yuan and Qiguai at the same time right now. It's a gamble for sure
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    We don't have the ability to redeploy our forces anywhere else. We used our Clan Focus on the Yuan buildup, which consists of our Offensive Legions

    The outrageous success of that prep to the point of potentially spooking off the Ma Emperor and his accompanying Nascent Souls is the entire reason this is an option in the first place

    Any Nascent Soul going into Qiguai right now suffers from all the worst case projections for what the winning turn plan risked, with absolutely none of the protections or fallbacks in place

    Against a minimum of Seven unaccounted for Hostile Nascent Souls. Between the three that were supposed to be in Yuan, whatever Blood Path Nascent Altar lord sent to run herd, the two Time Shatter Nascents, and the Qiguai Patriarch themselves

    Without getting into things like Bloodhammer, the Gao, and if the Oaks have anyone else already racing to invade the area as well

    The only thing being gambled there is survival, not success. That straight up isnt in the cards.
     
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    [X] Plan: Sweeping The Board
    - [X] Keep Manuel hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be coming.
    - [X] Xinya in the Yuan War to sweep away all remaining opposition. This might not be necessary but would win more respect from the Yuan.
     
    Crunbum said:
    They are part of the NDA, so unironically yes. It is extremely easy for any Nascent to cross over and kill most of their Cores and Foundations if they just leave their territory undefended for years like that
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    No it isnt. Most Great Powers have centers of power genuinely capable of sheltering against attacking Nascent Souls. Especially the Plains powers.

    The Bells have one. The Noble Knowledge have one. The SDSP have one. The Fish Clan have one. The Jingshen have one. We have one. The Yuan have one. The Blood Oaks have one.

    The Qiguai have one.

    Why wouldnt the Time Shatter have one as well?

    [X] Plan: What The Lady Wants, She Gets
    - [X] Keep Manuel hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be becoming.
    - [X] Redeploy Xinya to the Pass, laying in reserve to jump on the enemy reinforcements that will seek to stop Rina from reopening it.

    Xinya wants to do it? I say let her.

    Itll support Rinas push, keep Xinyas breakthrough subtle, and also strengthen our position for Turn 17s negotiations along with being insurance against a Nascent Soul lying in wait there
     
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    [X] Plan: Sweeping The Board

    Damn Xinya at least your honest about the marriage being about power for you and your family, at least with Manuel he knows that and will counter the worse of said ambition to make sure it doesn't negatively effect the whole clan.
     
    TehChron said:
    No it isnt. Most Great Powers have centers of power genuinely capable of sheltering against attacking Nascent Souls. Especially the Plains powers.

    The Bells have one. The Noble Knowledge have one. The SDSP have one. The Fish Clan have one. The Jingshen have one. We have one. The Yuan have one. The Blood Oaks have one.

    The Qiguai have one.

    Why wouldnt the Time Shatter have one as well?
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    Sure, they could take shelter in their equivalent of a Dawn Fortress but they would first have to reach it and know that they have to take shelter inside, in the first place. The distances involved are huge and the Wei Princess could reap a bloody trail throughout most of their territory in the meantime. Even the capital.... without a Nascent at home, an invading Late Nascent is no joke. It would take her a scarce few minutes to break open our Dawn Fortress with its Late Nascent Will inside, so unless the Time Shatter Sect has a Spirit Severing Will or a Spirit Maze or another SS-tier defense, they really cannot afford to leave their territory undefended for years on end.
     
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    [X] Courting time shatter.
    -[X] Keep Manuel hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be coming.
    -[X] Redeploy Xinya - can take any other Nascent Action this turn. If you choose this, please vote for another Nascent action. If you choose this, please vote for another Nascent action from the turn post in Manuel/Xinya/both lists. Note that these actions will be at a lower effectiveness due to half the turn being over, and if you choose Economic Activity you will need to dedicate both actions to gain another Purchase.
    --[X] Discretely contact time shatter and see if there is anything we can give them to betray their faction and join ours while ganking the invasion force nascent forces, guarantee them the Quingi lands and offer both a lot of spirits stones and treasures and perhaps splitting the Gao lands with a joint invasion (or all of it if splitting isn't enticing enough).

    Thinking about it more I've convinced myself, is this risky? Yes but if we pull it off not only would we be able to gank more then one nascent we'll also gain another power ally in our faction (one whose now been empowered with the quingi lands).

    At worst we get told no (maybe violently) but it's a manageable risk.
     
    Nordlending said:
    Thunderbolt and lightning very, very frightened of me




    If this isn't enough to start Demetrius as Core from the beginning of this turn, I don't know what it would take.


    About Demetrius's Dao

    He was not supposed to walk the Path of Extinction. He was leaning heavily towards subjugating nature and all its vile inhabitants. That was my plan, but then Jin Muyi aka the sentient plant monster almost killed everything. Demetrius connected the dots about what had happened since he was keeping tabs on Jin, and being on the receiving end of the clan's gag order confirmed his suspicions.

    From that moment on he decided that all plants and beasts are inherently evil and should be wiped out.

    Fun Fact: On a scale from 1 to 10 determining his hate for something, a common tree found in someone's garden would be a 5, and the Alter Lord would be a solid 4.
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    I imagine that if he became a Dao Lord, he'd be one of the rare handful that can make a real difference in the Beast War. Killing Beasts and destroying Turtle Child equivalents is completely aligned with his Dao. In other words, a Dao Lord that can murderhobo his way through the War.
     
    Call me overly cautious, but I do not want to send Xinya to the pass, even with how packed it is.

    Swiping the board is a good bait and switch though.

    Qiguai is a fucking wasp nest on fire above a stack of dynamites at the moment, sending an early nascent there, especially a fresh one is serving them on a silver plate.

    So, any plans if Xinya encounters a NS in the pass? Could be either RP or blood path.
     
    TheCount said:
    Call me overly cautious, but I do not want to send Xinya to the pass, even with how packed it is.

    Swiping the board is a good bait and switch though.

    Qiguai is a fucking wasp nest on fire above a stack of dynamites at the moment, sending an early nascent there, especially a fresh one is serving them on a silver plate.

    So, any plans if Xinya encounters a NS in the pass? Could be either RP or blood path.
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    Pass is risky, yeah, but ideally she lays low and only moves when there's an opportunity to strike. If she encounters an NS in the pass with ill intentions and she can't confidently stab them and make them run or die, then either she hides or she runs.
     
    Crunbum said:
    Sure, they could take shelter in their equivalent of a Dawn Fortress but they would first have to reach it and know that they have to take shelter inside, in the first place.
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    Ah yes.

    Time to reach shelter.

    Imagine being a polity that can buy themselves more time at a Nascent relevant level. Like some kind of chronological breaking institution or something.
     
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    TehChron said:
    Ah yes.

    Time to reach shelter.

    Imagine being a polity that can buy themselves more time at a Nascent relevant level. Like some kind of chronological breaking institution or something.
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    Yeah, we mustn't underestimate how defensively strong these guys are. They've been playing it safe and gradually making gains all game long because they're pretty much impregnable. Their land is desolate with nothing to pillage, they can literally slow down invading forces, and I wouldn't be surprised if their stronghold had some nonsense like being a fixed point in time and thus unchangeable.
     
    [X] Plan: What The Lady Wants, She Gets

    The operation in the Pass is very important. I trust Manuel to hold out on his own if he needs to. The Yuan have their own damn Nascent too anyway; they'll be fine.
     
    Swordomatic said:
    Pass is risky, yeah, but ideally she lays low and only moves when there's an opportunity to strike. If she encounters an NS in the pass with ill intentions and she can't confidently stab them and make them run or die, then either she hides or she runs.
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    Problem is, she has only the stock weapons from storage.
    And even then, every new stage, a NS has an acclimation period.
    So, I kinda doubt the "make others run" part.
    Perhaps she can strike at an opportunity, but after that? It's gonna be running time. And unless a RP NS is sent in the pass for some reason, I can only think of Bloodhammer being there, because I doubt OC would send any of his alone after they wrecked it.
    And we do not really have a handle on him aside from him being a crafter before becoming a blood path.
    It also doesn't help that we know the bloodpath can't restore qi without consuming humans and I very much doubt Bloodhammer is giving up being a mid stage NS.
    The pass will be depopulated and he will be forced to either start farming the remaining blacksmiths by feeding them beastcores....
    Or more likely going for the accursed golden devils that "must have cursed" him to take back their home.
    uri said:
    Can I tempt you with sending her to time shatter? A purely diplomatic action should be fairly safe as at worst she'll flee. And we can get a lot if it succeeds.
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    Sorry, but no.
    If it were through her relatives or other clan members? Sure.
    No way I am sending her into the Qiguai hotpot.

    [X] Plan: Sweeping The Board
    [X] Keep Manuel/Xinya/both hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be coming.

    On a different note...
    We have that mission at the oaks...
    What if we send Xinya to support Kleisthenes and Casia by working her magic on her relatives there and make blood bonds with the Oaks?
     
    [X] Plan: Sweeping The Board
    - [X] Keep Manuel hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be coming.
    - [X] Xinya in the Yuan War to sweep away all remaining opposition. This might not be necessary but would win more respect from the Yuan.

    I like this. I don't really think the Ma Emperor can afford to not attack here. This way we can attempt to draw him out without showing our hand, and if he really did manage to negotiate a deal for Qiguai instead, we'll have at least gained some more social capital with the Yuan.
     
    [X] Plan: What The Lady Wants, She Gets

    I was always wary of not sending a Nascent to the Colossus Pass. Xie may not be the one I wanted, but she'll be able to do a lot there and bring Rina much needed support.
     
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    [X] Plan: Sweeping The Board
    - [X] Keep Manuel hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be coming.
    - [X] Xinya in the Yuan War to sweep away all remaining opposition. This might not be necessary but would win more respect from the Yuan.
     
    [X] Plan: What The Lady Wants, She Gets
    - [X] Keep Manuel hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be becoming.
    - [X] Redeploy Xinya to the Pass, laying in reserve to jump on the enemy reinforcements that will seek to stop Rina from reopening it.
     
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