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Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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    • I am unconvinced that no Nascent will come to the Yuan lands.

    We know that the Ma Emperor made a deal with Noble Knowledge to conquer the Yuan in exchange for his former lands. Qiguai is being invaded by the Heavenly Time shatter and their allies, and I don't think they'd be inclined to give over their lands to the Ma Emperor instead.

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    Noble Knowledge, on the other hand, have signed some great pact with the Ma Empire - the Ma Emperor and his kin will be let loose in the Yuan lands, and Noble Knowledge Nascents will assist in conquering them. In return, the former lands of the Ma Empire will become part of their horrific Maze."
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    I think there is a strong possibility that this is a double bluff, and if we move our nascents out of Yuan that is when the Ma Emperor will appear, possibly with Noble Knowledge Nascent backup.
     
    [X] Use Manuel/Xinya/both in the Yuan War to sweep away all remaining opposition. This might not be necessary but would win more respect from the Yuan.

    A demonstration of power now might save us actions/purchases spent on diplomancing the Yuan later. Also prevents the Yuan part of the conflict dragging on into next turn.
     
    I agree we should keep them in Yuan.
    But the first to reveal NSs will lose, usually.

    [X] Keep Manuel/Xinya/both hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be coming.
     
    Better to be on the safe side. Also, nice we got our own colour and are lumped in with the others anymore.

    [X] Keep Manuel/Xinya/both hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be coming.
     
    [X] Plan: Sweeping The Board

    I don't trust that there isn't some other kind of play going here but if there is I also don't want to just wait for it.

    So have one nascent sweep the invasion forces in the hope of either triggering whatever they have planned early (and if they don't have anything just kill a bunch of invaders) and another hidden to respond for nascent action.
     
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    The more I mull over this the more I realise how increasingly likely it is that the Ma Emperor isn't here. We know that there were a lot of Blood Path who invaded Qiguai, we know that the invasion corridors into both Yuan and Qiguai started in Time Shatter (unless one of them was Gao, but iirc it was Time Shatter), and we know that last turn, we successfully stymied the initial invasion of the Yuan Clan - culminating in the death of a good Seed, Viktor Wulf, in order to choke their main underground invasion corridor.

    I think it's a legitimate possibility that they have decided Yuan is too hard a nut to crack right now and are focusing on the soft underbelly that is Qiguai instead. That's the Blood Path thing to do.

    I'm not prepared to stake it all on that. But I do think that without the certainty of Ma Emperor being here so we can stab him until goodies spill out and refill our coffers, it's better for us to do something else with our time.

    [X] Plan: What The Lady Wants, She Gets
    - [X] Keep Manuel hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be becoming.
    - [X] Redeploy Xinya to the Pass, laying in reserve to jump on the enemy reinforcements that will seek to stop Rina from reopening it.
    Manuel is wounded and is the stabbier one besides, plus he's the source of our information - if the situation changes and a Nascent arrives/shows themselves in Yuan, he will be the first one to know and hence should be the first one to respond. Xinya meanwhile wants to go to the Pass and smash it open - so let her, but while keeping her a secret while we still can. If she can give a suckerpunch to a Demonic Nascent, sure. If she can soulcrush enemy cores, also good. If no one shows up and we reopen the pass uncontested? Fantastic.

    I'm also not against keeping Xinya in Yuan to cause trouble while Manuel fishes for it, but that will mean revealing to the rest of the Region one of our two newly ascended Early Nascent Souls - but deploying her so brazenly will also obfuscate her speciality, making it seem like she's the combat type rather the intrigue type she truly is, so I'm ultimately rather ambivalent here.

    [X] Plan: Sweeping The Board
    - [X] Keep Manuel hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be coming.
    - [X] Xinya in the Yuan War to sweep away all remaining opposition. This might not be necessary but would win more respect from the Yuan.
     
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    • Thunderbolt and lightning very, very frightened of me




    If this isn't enough to start Demetrius as Core from the beginning of this turn, I don't know what it would take.


    About Demetrius's Dao

    He was not supposed to walk the Path of Extinction. He was leaning heavily towards subjugating nature and all its vile inhabitants. That was my plan, but then Jin Muyi aka the sentient plant monster almost killed everything. Demetrius connected the dots about what had happened since he was keeping tabs on Jin, and being on the receiving end of the clan's gag order confirmed his suspicions.

    From that moment on he decided that all plants and beasts are inherently evil and should be wiped out.

    Fun Fact: On a scale from 1 to 10 determining his hate for something, a common tree found in someone's garden would be a 5, and the Alter Lord would be a solid 4.
     
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    • [X] Plan: Two Secret Realms are Better Than One
    - [X] Have Xinya cross into the southwest of Qiguai, taking advantage of the chaos of the invasion to annex their Secret Realm and surrounding territories into the Yuan, securing the area with the help of their boots on the ground.
    - [X] Keep Manuel hidden in the Yuan territories, waiting in reserve at its northern borders, ready to defend them and/or Xinya if the need arises.

    So, here is the thing :
    - As of the vote, the north of Qiguai has in all likelihood yet to be completely pacified - their home citadel was besieged but still stood by Year 307 and it is Year 309. Unlike for most factions, the home citadel is not the strongpoint of the Qiguai - rather it is the Crypts in the southeast of their lands that form their main line of defense, with multiple Nascent Wills to hide behind there - and the status of their Nascent is yet unknown. In all likelihood, they are not completely overran, meaning the invasion must still commit all its forces towards the war to win it quickly.

    - It is only the Time Shatter Sect that primarily cares about the Secret Realm - and to control it they must hold onto the entire west of Qiguai. They only have two Nascents all in all - a Mid and an Early, and the Mid is likely holding down the home fort. Thus, their single Early would have to both hold onto the northwest that they took and take the southwest where the Secret Realm is located. If Xinya gets there before they do, and with Yuan troops to secure the territory, they will in all likelihood be unable to attack us on their own and with our extreme post-war power base of two Mid Nascents (Manuel and the Trial Lord as it would become part of the Yuan) and Four Early Nascents (Yao, Kleisthenes, Xinya and Casia) we should find it no trouble at all to hold onto the area long-term.

    - The rest of the invasion (Blood Path) will likely not just be tied up the Qiguai but also will not care about the Secret Realm much since they were never the ones due to get it. They would thus be very unlikely to aid the Time Shatter Sect in waging war upon us as a consequence, as this would open another front for the war and one that is very dangerous long-term due to our relative strength. The Magic Oak Sect is similarly unlikely to be swayed to their side - we have two Early Nascents doing diplomacy with them this turn. Further still, we have Manuel in reserve if something truly terrible happens, and the area is just across the current Yuan border so Xinya can simply escape if ever in danger.

    - If we manage to grab the Secret Realm, the Yuan will have two SRs at their disposal - a massive long term power boost for them (and us), together with the territorial and population gains. This represents a great card for post-war negotiations with the Yuan - we might even be able to get the Trial Lord (their patriarch) to Bronze himself in the aftermatch, irreversibly tying them to the Clan, without even having to pay any Purchases for it. Furthermore, if we don't take hold of the Qiguai Secret Realm, our Good Seeds might not be able to go there going forward.
     
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    quantum lurker said:
    While this is likely to be true normally, isn't the entire Blood Path being gamblers or super aggressive since the start of the Great Era?
    If the Mid is attacking instead, do you think that together with the Ring Xinya has a decent chance of escape?
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    The only reason the Time Shatter Sect is a Demonic Sect rather than an Orthodox one is because they dabble in time arts which are shunned under Heaven. They are not Blood Path - and not all Blood Path Sects are gamblers still, they have mostly been forced by circumstances.
     
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    Crunbum said:
    They only have two Nascents all in all - a Mid and an Early, and the Mid is likely holding down the home fort.
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    Ehh their lands are very secure It would be that out there for both Nascents to be on the invasion. And it's very risky because they would invade us to get that secret realm.

    And honestly if were going for a risky play I would do a diplomacy action with time shatter to see if they care to betray their faction if we both guarantee that they would gain the Quingi and then after we'll split the Gao.

    And then see if we can bring the Okes for it and just gank all of the blood path/demonic alliance Nascents in the region.

    Pulling this off would not only see more territory under our banner but with two other great power in our faction we would get another 4 Nacesants as allies (plus whatever they could raise with the increased territory and wealth we can bring.
     
    uri said:
    Ehh their lands are very secure It would be that out there for both Nascents to be on the invasion. And it's very risky because they would invade us to get that secret realm.

    And honestly if were going for a risky play I would do a diplomacy action with time shatter to see if they care to betray their faction if we both guarantee that they would gain the Quingi and then after we'll split the Gao.

    And then see if we can bring the Okes for it and just gank all of the blood path/demonic alliance Nascents in the region.

    Pulling this off would not only see more territory under our banner but with two other great power in our faction we would get another 4 Nacesants as allies (plus whatever they could raise with the increased territory and wealth we can bring.
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    The Time Shatter Sect has one Mid and one Early and they have to defend their home base. They are very unlikely to wage an offensive war into a faction that would be able to mobilize up to 2 Mid Nascents and 4 Early Nascents (3 Mid 3 Early by Turn 18 as Yao is likely to ascend by then) in its defense. To make things worse, they would be attacking into Mountains. Such a thing would be a massive strategic blunder on their part - the only way they would attack us is if they could secure a lot of allies for the invasion, and that is not something they are able to do right now.

    Besides, if its just Time Shatter, there is basically no risk to Xinya's life at all. An Early is not easy to kill unless you are a Late Nascent burning centuries of your life - which is what Altar Lord had to do to kill Scarletglyph. Furthermore, she would be very close to the border, with Manuel there to intervene if things get bad. Heck, if anything the more likely scenario even if both their Mid and their Early attack, is that Xinya escapes to the border and one of their Nascents loses an LST or even dies because Manuel has the Stone Spear.
     
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    I am unsure of our ability to hold Yuan and Qiguai at the same time right now. It's a gamble for sure. On the other hand, if we pulled it off, it would mean pretty major gains. Do we think a Nascent will be needed at the Colossus Footsteps Pass? We could potentially put one Nascent in each place, leaving one to watch over the heartland. We'd be spreading ourselves thin though… hm.
     
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    I am unsure of our ability to hold Yuan and Qiguai at the same time right now. It's a gamble for sure. On the other hand, if we pulled it off, it would mean pretty major gains. Do we think a Nascent will be needed at the Colossus Footsteps Pass? We could potentially put one Nascent in each place, leaving one to watch over the heartland. We'd be spreading ourselves thin though… hm.
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    It's an option for Turn 17, but I'm wary of doing it now, given that we can only reposition two Nascents (Manuel and Xinya) and we only have half a turn left to Do Things in. It would be thinner and more uneven a spread, on a turn when we don't have anyone at home holding down the fort - Yao and Yuan Hao don't count, as Yao is somewhere in the Great Battlefield and we haven't even told her about things we wanna do, and Yuan Hao isn't our Vassal yet, though with how things are shaping out he will be by the end of Turn 16.
     
    TehChron said:
    No they dont.

    Who's going to invade them? The SPS? Mountain Bell?
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    They are part of the NDA, so unironically yes. It is extremely easy for any Nascent to cross over and kill most of their Cores and Foundations if they just leave their territory undefended for years like that and they are not Blood Path so they would take half a milennia to recover from that and the Secret Realm isn't worth it when its primarily use case is to foster the younger generations in the first place. Heck, the Wei Princess badly needs a win and there is no one who could oppose her doing this (with or without mountain bell cooperation) on the side of the Noble Devil Alliance because she is a Late and most of them are commited to the Qiguai invasion so they would not be able to spare the sheer Nascent manpower needed to stop her. She did not get Wounded in the OC fight where Scarletglyph died, remember, and she is by far the strongest Nascent in the Region, able to equally fight OC and Altar Lord combined on her own and be favored to win. The only reason the pass fight went as it did is because OC rolled 90+ (out of 1d100-1) and she rolled a 10 - and he still got Wounded badly enough he almost dropped a stage, from Late to Mid Nascent.
     
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    [X] Plan: Sweeping The Board
    - [X] Keep Manuel hidden in the Yuan, waiting to hunt enemy Nascents. You never know what might be coming.
    - [X] Xinya in the Yuan War to sweep away all remaining opposition. This might not be necessary but would win more respect from the Yuan.
     
    no. said:
    am unsure of our ability to hold Yuan and Qiguai at the same time right now. It's a gamble for sure. On the other hand, if we pulled it off, it would mean pretty major gains. Do we think a Nascent will be needed at the Colossus Footsteps Pass? We could potentially put one Nascent in each place, leaving one to watch over the heartland. We'd be spreading ourselves thin though… hm.
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    Again I doubt we'll be able to hold it, time shatter wants it and they are willing got go for war over it.

    Crunbum said:
    They are part of the NDA, so unironically yes. It is extremely easy for any Nascent to cross over and kill most of their Cores and Foundations if they just leave their territory undefended for years like that. Heck, the Wei Princess badly needs a win and there is no one who could oppose her doing this (with or without mountain bell cooperation) on the side of the Noble Devil Alliance because she is a Late and most of them are commited to the Qiguai invasion so they would not be able to spare the sheer Nascent manpower needed to stop her. She did not get wounded in the OC fight either.
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    You do get that she would need to cross alter land to get there right?

    Honestly if you want something risky that will give large returns go see if time shatter is willing to betray their faction if we both guarantee them the Qingi, a shit ton of spirit stones and to maybe split the Gao.

    Get the okes on it and we could pretty easily just gank all the nascents in the invasion force and get a few powerful allies in our faction.
     
    Swordomatic said:
    It's an option for Turn 17, but I'm wary of doing it now, given that we can only reposition two Nascents (Manuel and Xinya) and we only have half a turn left to Do Things in. It would be thinner and more uneven a spread, on a turn when we don't have anyone at home holding down the fort - Yao and Yuan Hao don't count, as Yao is somewhere in the Great Battlefield and we haven't even told her about things we wanna do, and Yuan Hao isn't our Vassal yet, though with how things are shaping out he will be by the end of Turn 16.
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    At the pace the war is going, by Turn 17 it will be too late to move though - the Qiguai will have been overran and their territory secured. We would have to invade into prepared ground of the Time Shatter Sect at that point. On the other hand annexing parts of Qiguai now appears trivial - it is only holding them that might be difficult but since we would give them to the Yuan, Yuan Hao would defend them as his own once he recovers from his wounds so with Xinya there this turn and Manuel on the lookout while Time Shatter still has to deal with Qiguai remnants, it should not be a problem when its really only their Sect that cares about the Secret Realm much and they cannot afford to pick a war with us alone - in all likelihood they only have one Nascent invading. There is also the issue of potentially losing access to the Qiguai Secret Realm for our Seeds if we do not act now - and even if we got unlucky and the gambit did not work... Xinya wouldn't die and we would not lose any territory so it would exact no price upon us at all.

    Giving up 2 Nascent Actions just to play it extremely safe is a bit much. I agree that the situation would have looked better had we deployed 3 Nascents to Yuan rather than 2, as we could have hit Qiguai with two of them and that would be a pretty much guaranteed success, but even Xinya with Manuel in reserve already gets us high odds of successfully grabbing the crucial territory, as I see it.
     
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