Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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I would also point out that Manuel survived being puppetted by something as far beyond him as he is beyond a mortal, if not even more. Chances are good that once he gets his shit in order again, he's going to be stronger for the experience. Possibly strong enough to stand against a Late Nascent.

Since otherwise, we're looking at the Boon being a straight up "Shit gets worse for us" moment, which would make me sad.
 
Isn't the benefit of this boon that it weakens the Fifth Sea? As in, next trial would have been harder as a result of skipping this one, but now it's gonna be easier than usual. That's the impression I got at least.
 
Honestly, the core conceit is that we're betting on the same type of Wincon as the RP, only without the instutitional advantages that come from having a large mass of Nascents to serve as a deterrent while our Good Seeds grow to try and meet their potential

So weakening or otherwise interfering with the next set of Trials hot off the heels of the shit we pulled with these ones is flat out a net positive for us. Especially now that Silverbloods are part of the strategic calculus for us.
 
Isn't the benefit of this boon that it weakens the Fifth Sea? As in, next trial would have been harder as a result of skipping this one, but now it's gonna be easier than usual. That's the impression I got at least.
not exactly. none of the boon options had anything like that.
[ ] The Sigil of the Maker

The maker forged it for a purpose. The sigil existed. It could be shown, connection could made.
this probably was connecting to another derelict system or send out a SOS signal or something.
[ ] The Reversal of the Light

Access could be improved. The inefficiencies in the current iteration could be smoothed out.
This is the winning option, probably higher access to Heaven's Shadow with the remnant memories from Heraclius letting Manuel streamline his cultivation better, or, at least, eliminate some of the flaws, which is the same for him.
] The Waters of the False Spring

The loss had been a disaster. The impossible cut that had shattered reality and victory. The failure leading to necessary action. A droplet would not allow such victory, but it could be recovered.
this, i assume, would be a great stack of qu/shadow points, but not sure.

Heraclius was probably always intended with the memories though, because the boons said nothing about him.
 
Isn't the benefit of this boon that it weakens the Fifth Sea? As in, next trial would have been harder as a result of skipping this one, but now it's gonna be easier than usual. That's the impression I got at least.
The Fifth Sea is the strongest sea. Yet old Bhirgu, implied to be one of their strongest experts, got possessed by Heraclius. We've killed or humiliated all of their best Good Seeds and our Clan is on the rise. In addition, the Fifth Sea is about to be turned into turtle soup, they don't have anyone to stop Heraclius.

At best, we have effectively just stopped the Trails, at worst they're delayed for a good while. The Bhirgu are without their Grand Elder and the other clans will be able to wrest control of the Trail Pillar. They will also have to deal with our Ancestor speedrunning cultivation they've forgotten.

On top of all that. We're in the midst of a Golden Age. Our Good seeds are rising, Rina is no longer soft-locked, and even if Manuel needs multiple turns to recover we're in a good position militarily.

Edit: We still have the Stone Spear right?
 
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Not quite good, we need a deterrent to Old Cannibal making a move once his ban from the desert ends, and Old Cannibal loves getting up to shenanigans when left to take the initiative, as literally everything he's done over the course of the Quests timeline has indicated

The RP will be quite happy to let Old Cannibal and his Abyssal Invasion be our problem again at the earliest opportunity, as thats a net benefit for them.
 
Edit: We still have the Stone Spear right?
yep we do, Heraclius didn't take it nor did Brightu the younger.
Not quite good, we need a deterrent to Old Cannibal making a move once his ban from the desert ends, and Old Cannibal loves getting up to shenanigans when left to take the initiative, as literally everything he's done over the course of the Quests timeline has indicated
not quite a deterrent, but...
, yes. She'd be prepared. The pill she was forging would separate a Will and a body, and once that was done-
Destesia still has this pill she prepared against Heraclius. this could cause fun things if she don't just push it down Manuel's throat.

Also... i found this...
Yes, the process of transferring his memories was not a gentle thing. He reached out with a hand, and cradled his former head for a moment, streams of Qi healing and reinvigorating the brain and body both.
Perhaps... perhaps the improvement was, at least narratively, Heraclius fixing Manuel's body?
 
The Fifth Sea is the strongest sea. Yet old Bhirgu, implied to be one of their strongest experts, got possessed by Heraclius. We've killed or humiliated all of their best Good Seeds and our Clan is on the rise. In addition, the Fifth Sea is about to be turned into turtle soup, they don't have anyone to stop Heraclius.

At best, we have effectively just stopped the Trails, at worst they're delayed for a good while. The Bhirgu are without their Grand Elder and the other clans will be able to wrest control of the Trail Pillar. They will also have to deal with our Ancestor speedrunning cultivation they've forgotten.

On top of all that. We're in the midst of a Golden Age. Our Good seeds are rising, Rina is no longer soft-locked, and even if Manuel needs multiple turns to recover we're in a good position militarily.

Edit: We still have the Stone Spear right?
Eh, they weren't the best in the whole Fifth Sea, they were some of the best in their region. Assuming it's a similar size to the Virtuous Flipper, that's less than 10% of the Fifth Sea by landmass.

The trials are basically just a secret realm run by one dynasty, most of the Fifth Sea doesn't give a shit about the Third. They also have World Fusion Cultivators, which will be a major problem for Heraclitus given the limitations of the body he's inhabiting.

In short, yes we caused a lot of problems in the Fifth Sea, but we most certainly did not destroy it or remove it as a problem.
 
Using Heraclius to mensure strength also have the problem that the guy is a outlier among outlier. the guy that would say 'no, I would win' the type of bullshit high end xianxia MC talent.

Even being put a far weaker 'warframe' (which is a funny comparison), that make even think like usual hard, among other stuff. He still won this fight vs a guy that have lifetimes of fight/war experience.
 
The trials are basically just a secret realm run by one dynasty, most of the Fifth Sea doesn't give a shit about the Third. They also have World Fusion Cultivators, which will be a major problem for Heraclitus given the limitations of the body he's inhabiting.
Counter argument...Heraclius has so much talent he regularly kills 2 Great Realms, discounting the unassailable gaps, above his own. So on that account, he's got the talent, experience, and depth to take them out. He really only needs to stay low-key before he pulls a Demonic Soup Chef.

The Turtle Emperor is also implied to NOT allow cultivators above a certain threshold unless absolutely 100% necessary. I would wager it is the one above World Fusion (which is implied to be itself an unorthodox realm). This means Heraclius has time before Papa Turt can raise a cultivator of sufficient strength to contend with Heraclius.

Edit: The heavens are almost recovered but that leaves room for Heraclius to reverse the situation. Especially with its focus on us and the Blood Path. If we keep up with the Good Seeds and get a few to Nascent Soul, the Will Opposing has got a chance. Rina's Dao slots right in there. (I wonder if Dao Seeker realm might connect to the Will)
 
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Rinas Dao is fundamentally incompatible with the Will Opposing, actually

The World Lord seeks stability and the weak to protect As Justice.

The Will Opposing Tears Down Natural Order in order to overthrow existential doom

Ones a force of Order, the other a force of damaging Chaos. As such, Rinas opposition to the natural order is ontological because shes on the shit end of the stick expressly. And that's it, aside from the permissiveness with regards to Blood Path
 
Uh? No. The Dao of the World Lord and the Will Opposing wish to usurp the current to provide a better system for the people. Both rage against the heavens, both know that it can be better.
The Will Opposing is simply a vessel. It needs conduits and Daos of a certain nature, like Rina's to keep going. It connects to Daos of the Clan, maybe even Demonic paths (Inference from the Altar Lord's knowledge correct if wrong).
 
Counter argument...Heraclius has so much talent he regularly kills 2 Great Realms, discounting the unassailable gaps, above his own. So on that account, he's got the talent, experience, and depth to take them out. He really only needs to stay low-key before he pulls a Demonic Soup Chef.

The Turtle Emperor is also implied to NOT allow cultivators above a certain threshold unless absolutely 100% necessary. I would wager it is the one above World Fusion (which is implied to be itself an unorthodox realm). This means Heraclius has time before Papa Turt can raise a cultivator of sufficient strength to contend with Heraclius.

Edit: The heavens are almost recovered but that leaves room for Heraclius to reverse the situation. Especially with its focus on us and the Blood Path. If we keep up with the Good Seeds and get a few to Nascent Soul, the Will Opposing has got a chance. Rina's Dao slots right in there. (I wonder if Dao Seeker realm might connect to the Will)
There are explicitly multiple World Fusions, that guy was just the first. World Fusion is also much more powerful than normal Law Creation. So even if Heraclitus could reliably beat them, which he can't, he just doesn't have enough left in the tank to do the kind of massive damage that would destroy a sea before he fades away.
 
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Destroying the Iron Pillar would effectively stop the trials wouldn't it? Killing a turtle seems a step beyond that.
 
Magnus Centenius 29- Inner Thoughts and Sad Feelings
Pt 29- Inner Thoughts and Sad Feelings

Another Trial over with at last, Magnus thought to himself as he poured out drinks at a somber table with his family. The Heavens must be laughing at me. I finally get through a Trial without a scratch and wanted to brag to everyone about how I fleeced that foreigner. But no, I get out to find half my family dead from a failed exploration.

Magnus looked at his surviving family with shadowed eyes. His twin brother, Markus, was bandaged and wearing an eye patch over a hollow socket. While his mother, Maia, sat there with no physical wounds, but her empty stare in to her cup spoke volumes about her mental state. He could still see the cloth covered body of this older sister that greeted him when he returned home. His father's body desecrated and eaten by spirit beasts before it could be recovered.

Markus has explained that while the Magnus and the others were limiting the damage of the Trials this year, a small tomb of some long dead cultivator opened up near the clan's borders. It wasn't some Nascent Soul expert, but a peak Core Realm expert's tomb. So, while it was considered valuable, it wasn't an Earth shaking event. Most Elders and Faction leaders found this place mot worth their time, so only Foundation level experts arrived to explore it.

This tomb was found in on the edge of the desert and bordering the Yuan Clan and Magic Oak Sect. The tomb was quickly crowded by every Foundation level expert from the 3 neighboring groups that could make it on time.

Magnus's family was one of the groups who made it to the tomb right before it opened. They had just complete a long patrol route to make sure no one was taking advantage of the Trials. When the news of the tomb came, the whole family jumped on it, hoping to keep up with Magnus. They hurried to the site of the tomb just in time to see the defenses at the gate fail.

The crowd knew very little of the man buried in the tomb, and only know the level of the man because of the strength of the Qi disturbances they could sense. The second the barrier dropped, the assembled cultivators received a blast of flash wood Qi before they all charged into the tomb.

As with many similar stories about raiding ancient tombs, the first wave of cultivators died ignoblely to various traps. Whoever was buried there was apparently a fan of animal based toxins. Many of the traps involved darts and trap doors with spikes covered in poisons. Many of the first wave lasted long enough to set off the second wave of traps before dying to the poison flowing in their veins.

The group mostly ignored the fallen, except to loot the bodies of storage rings, as they made it past the entrance to a large foyer. It had a huge chandelier that used spirit stones to light up the room(which was soon ripped apart for the stones), some lovely tapestries depicting the deceased life(it was stolen before anyone noticed), 5 beautifully worked doors representing each element(they were swiftly destroyed and the crowd moved through it), and several master worked statues of powerful Spirit beasts.

The Centenius family chose to enter the Metal door, hoping to find something that would compliment their bloodline or fighting styles. Almost immediately it was seen that the defenses were fall greater than anyone realized. Behind the door, there was dozens of metal golems that came to life to fight the intruders. These golems were 8 feet tall soldiers made with exacting details. They were so life like, that they looked similar to clan members except made of Iron instead of bronze. In addition to being as tough, these golems were deceptively fast, as they skewered several surprised saps before the rest of the group rained attacks down on them.

Normally, so many attacks of so many different types would instantly overwhelm any foe, the Golems locked their shields together and somehow weathered the attacks with minimal damage. The failed attacks demoralized the raiders and the golems went on the counter attack. It was a complete slaughter as few had the body cultivation needed to hold their own in close combat and those who did were swarmed by the powerful automatons.

The rush into the room soon became a rout to get back out. Somewhat luckily, the family was towards the back of the crowd and had a head start fleeing. That was the only reason so many of them survived.

Maxima was one of the few who could fight head on, but not even she could do much. She covered her family as they escaped by forcing a few golem that was chasing them into a delaying fight. She fought smart, parrying every blow she couldn't dodge. Maxima struck blows that would cripple a normal cultivator, but barely dented the metal shells of the golems.

Maxima had a pair of gauntlets she personally forged as her main weapon. She used the best materials, found an array master to boost their durability, and even added some of Magnus's poisons to make them more lethal. Spending years finding the perfect spirit beasts to hunt down for their bones and blood. Even longer, begging and bribing an array master to cram as much as he could to make them impenetrable. The gauntlets were slowly being peeled off her hands. Each parried blow removed a chuck of metal, and soon, a solid blow connected. The sheer power behind the spear strike not only shattered the armor, but her arm as well.

Maxima's defense was broken and the only option left was to run. Markus told Magnus that her movement technique was as mysterious as it was swift. It was like a foggy breeze that limited vision while making a person as light as a feather. She almost made it back to the foyer, but at the last moment, the golem threw its spear and pierced her heart. The throw was so strong, it carried her body almost back to the entrance of the tomb. That was honestly the only reason they were able to bring the body back in the end.

Around this time, cultivators who entered the other doors had returned, also decimated from the room's guardians. All except the Fire door, as only ashes floated back through the door. The defenders did not leave their rooms as the doors reformed leaving the entryway the same state as it was before.

The survivors gathered to discuss how to proceed while Magnus's family went to retrieve their dead daughter. It was this that allow Markus and his mother to survive. For the Spirit beast statues came to life as some kind of petrification spell ended and the 10 beasts all at the limits of peak Core level went on the attack.

The Beasts tore through the gathered cultivators like they were mortals. Most of the group were formation level experts and stood no change again even early core level opponents much less hungry beast of the peak of core realm.

Maia was weeping over her daughter's dead body when an awakened beast tried to attack her. Maia's husband used his full strength to hit the beast with an attack from its blind side, stunning it for a moment. He had just enough time to tell Markus to save his mother before the beast was on him.

Probably angered from the previous blow, the beast toyed with Magnus's father for a bit by eating each of his limps before finishing him off. This delay allowed Markus to carry both his mother and sister past the entrance of the tomb.

When he got out, another barrier rose up and blocked the beast's attempt to exit. Markus wasted no time running away from the death trap with his surviving family. They later found out that the beast eventually broke the barrier and slaughtered a path into the mountain.

For now, Magnus was not strong enough to avenge the deaths of his family and could only bide his time.

Or do I? Magnus thought to himself. I hear that one of the others journeyed deep into the Cloud Caves. His cultivation was below mine, but deep in the caves, was able to rush past my cultivation and even break through the Core Realm. Actually, how many of my peers have made it so par past me now? That's not even counting Heaven's favorites at the Single Pillar realm. And of course Minervina is pulling even father away from me in both cultivation and master of poisons. Magnus drained his cup and pulled out one of his special brews to refill it.

No, no. Don't get distracted. Focus on what's important. First, I need to gather all the tribulation treasures I've been collecting. Then, I need to refill my poison supplies, that annoy B**** forced me to use most of them. At least she paid well to get the antidote. I really should start carring less potent poisons when facing people I'm confident in beating. Extortion seems much more profitable that just fighting. I might destroy something valuable if I straight kill them. Wait, back to the plan.

Next step number whatever, go to the Cloud Cave with all the life saving treasures. Then go deep enough to either use all the treasures, or I break through to the next realm. I need to stop getting distracted so much. My mind has been scattered a lot ever since I started using more than two arms and formed my pillar of Adaptability. I knew that technique allowed me to split my attention to use the arms in battle, but I didn't realize it would give me split attention outside of it.

Is that why the technique of multiple arm was gathering dust in the back of that library? It makes people unfocused most of the time? Wait is that way I've been focusing on making so many different businesses and learning such of weird array of skills? No wonder no one used it, this could kill you in battle. Plus the split focus on learning probably slowed down their cultivation speed and reduced their skill levels making them weak enough to kill by a specialist. Hopefully breaking through to the next realm will make it easier to control. I have got to add a warning to the beginning of that technique scroll before someone else reads it.


Magnus shakes his head to clear the random thoughts away. Those thought could wait a bit. He had more important things to worry about right now, comforting his mother...and maybe building a family tomb under his base. It would have to bigger and more richly decorated than the old family shrine, but he had the money for it. His sister would get a proper tomb and his father's plaque would at least have a place of honor even if they didn't have the body. Now back to his mother.


Man this got a bit depressing but 1.85 K words. So, like every time I remember Magnus has living family, usually during a trial. I roll for how they are doing. Last trial they all made it out with 70s minimum rolls(except for the dad who got hurt). This time, 2 sub 10 roll and the others were mid 40s. Then I notice that every one of those Wuxia and Xiania stories have ancient tombs full of traps or secret realms. We have lots of secret realms/training area, but I dont remember many tombs, so here we go. The perfect way to kill off half of Magnus's family and show you why being adaptable and having multiple arms after poisoning off your old ones is a bad idea

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So... it's really cool to see this back and functioning and alive. Very much a fan.

That said... could I please have a Fate for Kakos that's actually plausible for the character now?
 
So... it's really cool to see this back and functioning and alive. Very much a fan.

That said... could I please have a Fate for Kakos that's actually plausible for the character now?
...Your guys Fate is entirely plausible.

It's just not up to your preferred demonstration of his character. You can ignore it and write it out as playing out somewhat differently if youd prefer, but like...

Trying to have a similar performance against Core Formation Blood Path while going UNGA BUNGA at his level without some Princey, Katha, Cerina, or Xiyue tier bullshit rolls is going to be far less plausible than your guy having to overcome his many inherent disadvantages to eke out a large contribution to the safety of Gateway City

worth keeping in mind if you do go that route
 
...Your guys Fate is entirely plausible.

It's just not up to your preferred demonstration of his character. You can ignore it and write it out as playing out somewhat differently if youd prefer, but like...

Trying to have a similar performance against Core Formation Blood Path while going UNGA BUNGA at his level without some Princey, Katha, Cerina, or Xiyue tier bullshit rolls is going to be far less plausible than your guy having to overcome his many inherent disadvantages to eke out a large contribution to the safety of Gateway City

worth keeping in mind if you do go that route
It's really not. It's not just his character - it's his capabilities. Of course, Kakos isn't exactly an UNGA BUNGA kind of guy, either.

Really, what he should be doing in that situation is maintaining, modifying, and possibly wielding some of the Clan-aligned defenses that are worked into the Path. There are lots of them, and at least some of them are based on arrays and/or ghosts. Either that or spending a few decades worth of accumulated Tribulation Blood Paste to Blow Something Up Real Good. That stuff, he's good at.

That said, on re-read, I realize that I had mis-remembered, and was thus over-eager. I was only promised the fix after the Fates were done, and that's only just been finished now. I apologize for my untimely pushiness, and will be patient.
 
Really, what he should be doing in that situation is maintaining, modifying, and possibly wielding some of the Clan-aligned defenses that are worked into the Path. There are lots of them, and at least some of them are based on arrays and/or ghosts. Either that or spending a few decades worth of accumulated Tribulation Blood Paste to Blow Something Up Real Good. That stuff, he's good at.
Then like...write that?

They're just prompts at the end of the day, and that you even came up with that as an alternative means it did its job
 
In addition, the Fifth Sea is about to be turned into turtle soup, they don't have anyone to stop Heraclius.

I wouldn't count on it. The history of the Sea Conquering Army has been a series of declarations about how they're going to win and conquer everything right before getting their teeth kicked in, starting with Heraclius himself. I'm pretty sure winning or losing will still come down to us.
 
I wouldn't count on it. The history of the Sea Conquering Army has been a series of declarations about how they're going to win and conquer everything right before getting their teeth kicked in, starting with Heraclius himself. I'm pretty sure winning or losing will still come down to us.
Consider that RN, the World of Emp Turt is him and 9 of his kids, one being dead. The Turt had to sacrifice his 99 other adult kids and part of his own foundation to beat Heraclius and the other high-end fighters. Heraclius probably won't be able to get back into his previous fighting shape, but he honestly doesn't need to. Heaven is still weakened another blow or prolonged conflict with Heraclius could set us up for success. Set us up to really put paid to the name, Seas Conquering Army.

Edit: I think, the majority of the population of Turt world is in the Inner Sea. We don't need to kill or even conquer the Emperor Turt continent, just put under our heel the 9 Turt kids.
 
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