Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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Am I really misreading the power of the spear so heavily? It looked like an instant-win kind of treasure, not "just" another advantage among a pile of others.
It takes you to the top of your current tier in effectiveness. It's not going to let him beat the Princess, or the Altar Lord, but one-on-one, he now has the advantage over anyone else.
 
Just a reminder but here is how our cores with formations stack against a nascent, from discord:

To pin down temporarily could be done by perhaps 30. To fight on a roughly equal standpoint maybe 60, to win outright probably 100.
So, our cores MIGHT be able to stall until Manuel can go to relive them.
Edit: Do note it was for a stationary NS though.
 
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Their power and administrative structure looks so top-heavy that if we spear Junjie, the rest might surrended and accept vassalage.

If he turtles in the Spirit Palace where the Jingshen Nascent Wills are most likely hidden then the entire rest of the land is free game for Manuel to poke, picking the elites of the defenders off one by one as they can't hide from the spear.

Am I really misreading the power of the spear so heavily? It looked like an instant-win kind of treasure, not "just" another advantage among a pile of others.
Or they'll raise more Nascents, stay in their bunkers, and hope they manage to stall us long enough for the Righteous Path to come rescue them.

Jingshen has roughly 80 Core Cultivators, four of which are willing to rise. They have enough treasures to guarantee two successful Nascents. They are disgustingly wealthy. They have people capable of shattering their core, they're simply not willing to do so. With desperation, they will quickly become willing.

You're correct that Manuel is now able to win any 1v1 fight Jingshen can match him with. However, they have no requirement to let him 1v1 them. They can run away, hide, avoid him. Or they can gang up on him.

Also, let me point out. Jingshen is much richer than Gemstone Justice. Gemstone Justice bought a barrier that can stand against up to eight Nascent Souls simultaneously. It's highly plausible that Jingshen has bought items that can tip the balance.

Finally, if Manuel has to personally go to every single fortress and break it, this is going to take a long time. And it's not like he's immune to qi drain, being drained at Bei, Dong, Xi and Nan adds up.
 
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Last time I will shill for it, but expendable, regenerating heavy infantry looks really appealing looking at this rabbit warren of forts and guns.

If we are going to be fighting step by step through a labyrinth of Death Qi with just 7 legions and 7 legates, I want a juggernaut of battle constructs in the vanguard.
 
So, our cores MIGHT be able to stall until Manuel can go to relive them.
Edit: Do note it was for a stationary NS though.

Just to clarify, we have an exact breakdown of our proposed invasion force.

I have seven Legions prepared for a proper offensive at almost any time, totalling seventy-three thousand Qi Condensation cultivators, eight hundred and ninety-two Foundation experts, and of course seven Legates. Bringing new Legions into this arrangement is taking time, and we should expect a large loss of capability in the Legions, mainly due to cohesion loss while this organisational change takes place."

We definitely don't have enough Cores to hold a Nascent for even a few seconds. They are going to be hard pressed to keep their waaay more numerous Jingshen counterparts from tearing apart our juniors.

This is why I wanted more bodies in the first place.
 
Last time I will shill for it, but expendable, regenerating heavy infantry looks really appealing looking at this rabbit warren of forts and guns.

If we are going to be fighting step by step through a labyrinth of Death Qi with just 7 legions and 7 legates, I want a juggernaut of battle constructs in the vanguard.
Given the distance needed for our south assault and protection for our split Nascents, scorpion legions and mirror are a must.
 
Given the distance needed for our south assault and protection for our split Nascents, scorpion legions and mirror are a must.

This is a separate argument that I am sure will come up again in the follow up vote. But considering the relatively small size of our force, the fact that the Jingshen map covers a scale larger than the combined landmass of the earth, and that Jingshen is going to be begging for the chance to even the odds by catching one or both of our Earlies alone, splitting our forces at all shouldn't be on the table.
 
I feel like the winning plan is too preoccupied with minimizing the fallout from the war, instead of actually trying to win. When the chips are down, the only thing that will stave off Righteous retribution or intervention is our capacity to conclude it quickly and present them with a fait accompli. Everything we've seen thus far (including the report on Jingshen core lands above) indicates that that will be difficult.

I'd prefer to both keep our best and most veteran legions (I'm also not unsympathetic towards Olivebirdy's argument) AND raise the extremely effective shock infantry to maximize our chances, but none of the plans do that, so approval voting;

[X]Plan: Destasia Unleashed
[X] Plan: Altar Lord's Last Chance
 
So no reason NOT to send the array masters or we will need to fight a poisonous jungle on top of whatever AL wants to do. He pretty clearly got his distraction.
I have no idea where you're getting this from. The maze is literally as far away from us as you can get.

Also, NK is a distraction. I see no reason why we shouldn't want more distractions - especially as the more we see the more it appears this war is going to take longer and rely more on ground troops than we thought.
 
Rina Callista X7 - Interlude: Redmoon 3
Rina Callista
Interlude: Redmoon 3

Screams were a common thing to hear on the road in these troubled times. For a time, the might of the Blood Demons was focused deep in the southern lands of the Great Battlefield--the border pressed back to the final defense line of the storied Song Empire, with what remained either initiates, food, or those lucky few who were beneath notice of the leviathans scouring the realm.

"HURK!!!"

Blood sprayed--a frequent sight--as the last of the bounty hunters slumped to their knees, the ivory greatsword having blasted out much of their torso with little sign of mercy.

"Be at peace"

The blade pulsed, and withdrew from the new corpse, streamers of blood essence siphoning from the body as it withered. The wielder took a glance about the road, witnessing the fallen bodies of the attempted ambushers.

It was, naturally, Redmoon.

"How aggravating" She thought to herself, observing the gang of cultivators that set themselves against her. While true, sending those twisted by the Impure World to a place of peace was a necessary act, that didn't mean Redmoon took pleasure in the duty.

Which is why the unending torrent of bounty hunters that had set themselves upon her in the belief that she had done something wrong were starting to take the solemnity out of it.

She had considered marching on the Consortium that had issued the bounty, to discourage them from maintaining it. A preliminary inspection though had her discarding the idea--while she had little fear of Qi Condensation cultivators--she was at the twelfth layer of the [Paramita Covered Shores]--three degrees of refinement beyond what is considered small success--none within her realm could dare face her--save perhaps the rumored Chosen of the Age.

Foundation Establishment was different.

Speed beyond speed, power enough to leave her hands split open with each parry, and a nigh limitless supply of Qi to allow them to maintain that engine far beyond her.

She had only once crossed hands with a Foundation-level Cultivator--she had the good fortune to find an avenue to flee before she had taken significant harm, but once was enough.

Not until she had cultivated to the thirteenth layer, and manifested the [Flower of Hell] in truth--only then would she have the right to grant peace to those in the Second Realm.

But lacking the ability to banish those seeking her end, Redmoon must take up the chore of sending their cats-paws to the Far Shores. The bounty continued to grow--and now she was dealing with groups instead of lone assassins.

Fortunately, the Demon Annihilating War appeared to be reaching its conclusion--the shattering of the Siege of Thousand Song broke the back of the Demonic Altar Sect's cultivators, and they had since turned upon one another.

She sneered at the thought, even as she slung [Rosethorn] to her back once again. She had thought for a time that the adherents of that Sect--paragons of the Bloody Path--might be kin of like mind. She felt a sense of familiarity with them of course--and even found herself joining with a band of them once.

The first night, when they brought out the children…

She brought peace to many troubled souls that night.

Which begged the question… Was she alone? Was she in the wrong? Was her interpretation of her path mistaken?

A Sword to slay an Impure World, a solemn responsibility--and a task that requires the utmost focus and discipline.

That was what her power should be for.

Yet to see those laughing fiends, reveling in the power gained from wicked deeds, striking those with the misfortune to be born in these troubled times? Those who could not resist?

That too was part of the Impure World, and another to be severed by her might.

Who then, gifted her with the [Paramita Covered Shores?] A method of cultivation that severs impurity from self and surroundings. To draw forth the stuff of life in order to step one foot into the Pure World? The only common thread was the use of Blood as a medium.

And what was the sorrow she felt in her heart whenever her thoughts drifted to that discussion? She did not recall the voice, or the features, or the words spoken by the stranger--only the lessons infused into her spirit.

She did not know.

And she would not know for some time. The restriction was clear--she could not seek her benefactor out until she could face Core Formation. A long way off, even at the pace her cultivation flowed at.

She shook her head, and gazed wistfully into the setting sun. Nothing worth doing was ever easy, was it? Perhaps she could still grow faster if she lowered her standards.

But to use her blade to grant Peace to those already doing the best they could… It felt wrong--it was not her place to do such a thing. To increase Sorrow is to draw away from the Pure World herself--and to do that would feel a betrayal to herself, to the sorrow in her heart.

No, she would save her hunger for the wicked and those beyond saving. Those who contributed to the Impure World and those who had only suffering in their future.

Her Cultivation continued to grow by leaps and bounds even with the rules she had imposed upon herself. She felt the barriers of the Thirteenth Heavenstage weakening with every battle won and each impure soul sent to the Far Shore. She already felt the kiss of Heavenly Judgement upon her flesh, simply waiting for her to accept the challenge and be struck dead for her trespass.

The [Paramita Covered Shores] had a solution for that--a method to foil the Heavens and blind their eyes. The Blood Sacrifice of Foundation Establishment Cultivators, one for each layer beyond the ninth. Slain with one's own hand.

How funny was it? To strike down four champions, head and shoulders above one's own strength, using nothing but your own skills and cunning to do it.

But she supposed it was to be expected--to reach beyond the Ninth Heavenstage is to transcend the limitations of ordinary Cultivators. To usher in the coming of the Pure World required power beyond reason--so it fit that achieving it would require unreasonable measures.

She simply needed an opportunity.

It was fortunate then, that she had a lead on the matter.

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The title he gave himself was the Ravenous Devilwolf, after he abandoned his birth name in his rise to Foundation Establishment. A notorious leader of the Demonic Altar's raid forces, he led gangs of newly recruited cultivators on their first hunts. His Devilwolves bred to catch the scent of fresh blood from a hundred leagues away and unerringly run their prey down, breaking their legs and leaving them for the Initiates to gain enlightenment in the Blood Path, without fear of retaliation.

The collapse of the Song Empire front was not kind to him. Caught out in a deep raid, the sally of Righteous Cultivators caught him off guard, and he was seriously wounded by a Flowering Death Arrow--courtesy of a Broken Arrow Bandit who'd been stalking him for some time. Carving out the projectile before its roots could spread through his body harmed him further still--and his hounds had been sacrificed to create an opening to flee north.

His pace was slow, his injuries grave--but he was lucky. He had a group of young Initiates with him--newly headhunted from some of the surviving holdouts even! A foot already within the Blood Path.

It made them excellent reserve rations.

His foot struck one of the children, a young lad covered in filth and rags. "Now what have I said about giving me lip?" He bellowed, his voice shaking their elementary Cultivation Base. He sneered, as he kicked down on them again, licking his lips at the sound of shattered bone. "See, I didn't have to take you brats with me--could have left you all for the Strength Purity Sect to nab you all!" He leered over the cowering boy. "You think they'd have mercy on you because you're brats? Think again! You're already on the Blood Path! They'll kill you where you stand and call themselves heroes for it!"

He put greater weight down, further, further…

Blood sprayed as the Devilwolf's foot finally severed the boy's leg. "And all I ask is a little respect, here and there. To do the chores, to keep up the march. And here you are trying to sneak off!"

He kicks the severed leg off, ignoring the weeping boy, and takes a bite of the still twitching meat. "If you won't do your part working, you'll do your part in my damned belly!" He brought his leg up once more. "Let this be a lesson to you A~~"

His instincts screamed, and he whirled into a roundhouse kick. A clang of metal on metal filled the air, and his expression showed nothing but confusion as the white maiden faded into view. "Huh, that's a new one. Didn't think you Righteous punks were gonna try a sneak attack on me.." He sneered, and put more force into his leg, kicking the girl back. "And what's this! Some little Qi Condensation brat thinks she can take down the Devilwolf!" He gives sharp bark of amusement, but his nostrils twitch--a loud snorting noise heard as he takes a sniff.``

"Hold on a tick there…" His voice lowered, and he squinted as his opponent clambered back to her feet, wiping a small trail of blood off of mouth. "That's… Huh, that's a really interesting scent you got there girlie." He licked his lips. "I wonder…" He bared his teeth then, and stepped forward. "Well, well, well, what are you? Some lost Chosen? Some brat who got a good legacy or something?"

The girl squinted back, and did not answer. The Devilwolf was content leading off though. "Not complaining though, looks a lot to me like the Heavens are helping the Devilwolf out here--I bet if I were to take a nibble on you, I'd heal my injuries at least twenty percent…"

He lowered his posture, and dropped to a three-point stance. "Dinner's served then! Might even have enough to tame another hound when I'm done with you! Be a good girl and stay put!"

A crack of thunder, the Devilwolf launching himself with sky cracking speed, the surviving initiates cower at the display of power.

"A fool and a beast after all"

Redmoon allowed herself a mocking smile as the Devilwolf crossed a section of the camp covered in traces of red flowers. He took one step into the bed--and lurched as he felt the roots dig deep into his foot. He stumbled over, feeling the poison filling his body. "Wha… When did you…"

"Before I launched my attack."

A flash of ivory, a sense of tugging, and the Devilwolf's head sailed in the air, eyes blinking at what had just happened. A dainty hand reached out and caught him by the hair, gazing into his fading light. "The contest is ended, as is the pain. Be at peace in the Pure World."

His body collapsed, bereft of a head.

She exhaled, and lowered the head, tossing it with the rest of the remains. That had been far more difficult than she made it look. If it wasn't for his serious injuries and the bait she laid out--permitting herself to take a light blow to give him the scent of her blood, he may have noticed the Flesh-Sloughing Seedpod she had dropped on her approach.

But that was one down. She looked to Rosethorn and saw one of its petals pulsing with red light.

"D… Does this mean we're going to get executed?"

A quiet voice speaks up, drawing Redmoon's gaze. Little more than children, dressed in rags, dragged onto the path of the executioner's blade due to a modicum of talent.

The logical choice was to give platitudes, to end their suffering, or even to just leave without a word.

But that would be to abandon responsibility for her actions.

"No." Redmoon shakes her head. "Come with me, you may yet be saved in this life."

A path such as hers cannot be walked alone, not yet.

To join hands as one and stand against the Impure World could not be a mistake.
 
OK, so it's clear at this point that we have to move fast and hard in extremely hostile conditions to win this war. With an army that used to solely defensive operations and only had 20 years of retraining by our new Elder of War, and our best legions having to be committed to the Plains for the nessacery diplomatic support. In which case... why invade right this turn, just because we got the Spear? Why not wait? Yao will still be with us and willing to join next turn, and we want this to be a quick operation to begin with. If the war in the Plains is going to end soon, then we're screwed either way - let's make it so we can actually win the war against Jingshen in a turn if that happens, rather than being stuck in a Quagmire. Instead, we can get all of the Plant Zombies, a LST, and the Scorpion Legions, ready for a much stronger strike next turn.


[X] Plan: Victory comes to those who wait.
-[X] Jin Muyi was a fallen hero of the Clan, a victim of his own techniques
-[X] Send the Clan's best Array-Engineers as well as several Legions south from the Great Battlefield to the Verdant South.
-[X] Training Soldiers - Raising Disciples to higher Realms is all well and good, but training them to be perfect members of Formations is better. Ensure your Clan is trained and ready for war. Your readiness to go to war will increase significantly, though this fades over time.
-[X] Manuel - Economic Activity
-[X] Kleisthenes - Tend to Diplomacy
-[X] Purchase a Nascent Treasure - The Hateful Mirror (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
-[X] Grow a Shambler Legion (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
-[X] Raise Two Scorpion Legions (1 Purchase)
 
Gemstone Justice bought a barrier that can stand against up to eight Nascent Souls simultaneously. It's highly plausible that Jingshen has bought items that can tip the balance.
It struck with unerring accuracy, though a barrier of earth was sufficient to prevent the blows, Manuel and Yao hiding behind hills and pillars and piles of dirt they made themselves, seeking to hit Ji Shin indirectly time after time. The blows of the creature were not enough to kill, but they could not be blocked, and each of them felt Manuel and Yao leaking Qi, weakening with each moment.
Talismans and treasures and weapons all proved insufficient, until finally they had been driven to Waycastle Thrake.
I guess we'll have to see the fine print on the spear, but the way I read this part was that unless a strike is completely prevented from happening, it has defense-ignoring true strike, meaning Manuel could sit outside a barrier and poke the defenders to death as they contemplate what they are doing with their life, arriving at the conclusion of "not much after the next few minutes" . . .

And it's not like he's immune to qi drain, being drained at Bei, Dong, Xi and Nan adds up.
If we pursue conventional conquest instead of trying to cap OJ then we can take the three forts and make the drain work for us.

As for the mines . . . . . . . they are, in the end, holes in the ground. I'm thinking Bandit Soup . . .
 
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I guess we'll have to see the fine print on the spear, but the way I read this part was that unless a strike is completely prevented from happening, it has defense-ignoring true strike, meaning Manuel could sit outside a barrier and poke the defenders to death as they contemplate what they are doing with their life, arriving at the conclusion of "not much after the next few minutes" . . .
Unfortunately, Manuel can't wield the full power of the Spear. Ji Shin had a ridiculous amount of affinity for it by virtue of being "a direct disciple, in a sense" of Soup Chef, so he got pierce and auto-blocks, which permitted him to fight Nascent as Core.

Also, Manuel isn't a Blood Path cultivator, so he can't draw on traits of the Spear as a BP Legacy. (Like when Ji Shin used it to start eating Manuel's soul so he couldn't use treasures to escape or access his Soul Aperture.)

Manuel only gets two effects from the Spear.

It is a Law of the world that any strike of the Stone Spear shall hit its target, and it is a Law of the world that the Stone Spear will block what it is set to block.

That's still enough to make him the strongest Mid Nascent in the Flipper, so it's no joke.

EDIT: He can poke the defenders to death, though. Still a thing he can do, he doesn't need pierce in order to autokill Cores with a strike. Due to the nature of the Stone Spear, its range is equivalent to the range of Manuel's senses. A very good sniping tool.

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Cites for the statements above:
Occipitallobe08/12/2021
The Spear is the sort of object most Law Creation cultivators wish they could create.
It doesn't miss and it blocks.
Occipitallobe08/12/2021
Though the spatial effects and the like were solely due to compatability with Ji Shin, and Manuel still has to consciously do those things.
Occipitallobe08/12/2021
If he doesn't see the attack coming he doesn't get auto-blocks.
FourthMonado - Cao Wei08/12/2021
does it still fuck with LSTs?
Occipitallobe08/12/2021
No, the spear in this case was letting Ji Shin start to consume Manuel's soul.
Manuel doesn't do that - he can't use it as a Blood Path legacy, just a powerful weapon
Chimerical Tesseract: Amaranth08/12/2021
AH, so that's how Muyi stopped the Trial invaders from escaping
back in Turn 10
He just ate the parts of their souls
that would let them use the Token
I'm guessing Jin Muyi would also have high compatibility with the spear
because his nature lets him use Blood Path techniques unrestrained
Occipitallobe08/12/2021
Ji Shin was Soup Chef's direct disciple in a manner of speaking, so his compatibility with the weapon was sky-high.(edited) (this is me: he added in "in a manner of speaking" with the edit, so it must be important.)
Jin Muyi wouldn't have anything nearing it.
Occipitallobe08/12/2021[
Ji Shin's attacks were literally unblockable, they didn't just fail to miss.
Occipitallobe08/12/2021
The Stone Spear always hits what it is aimed it, and always blocks what it is set to block.
It's a law of the world.
 
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Ultimately, our winning condition probably is getting Good Seeds to Nascent Souls.

I'd rather win a little without offending the Righteous Path too much than risking it all for huge gains with a long war that will impact the flow of spirit stones and help our nemesis Old Cannibal to set himself up nicely in the plains and condemn hundred of millions of mortals to the fate of an appetiser.
 
[X] Plan For Forgiveness, Not Permission

Grumble grumble, I just know that Old Cannibal is going to Goomba stomp our legion on principle or as part of the bait the SPS are setting out for him. And that this means that the Hong Xuan division we raise and send over over there, are going to wind up collateral. Which means, despite us raising up a battalion of Hong Xuan to give them some face and to make use of 'em... we're going to wind up with some internal problems as a side-effect anyway, because they're all going to die alongside our legion. I know this, because Old Cannibal is a jackass, and is going to cause trouble for us even half a region away. But, well, maybe we can spin it as "Golden Devils and Hong Xuan dying side by side to a great evil Blood Path foe" perhaps? Shared losses and all that.

I figure that, if one of the Missions is going to be in the Great Battlefield or Verdant Plains, then the Mission's outcome is going to be what determines whether we have good diplomatic outcomes and good internal vassal outcomes because of that, or not. Though it's just as possible that the 3 Missions are all going to be war-based, as I think happened when we went to war with the Cannibals.

Still, this is all just pessimistic grumbling of a "I just know Old Cannibal is going to wind up being a pain for us somehow!" sort, rather than actual real criticism of the choices and plan.

For instance, there is the fact that the Clan's Array-Engineers and "several Legions" are being sent from the Great Battlefield to the Verdant South; while the Hong Xuan are being sent to the Great Battlefield. Which means the Hong Xuan won't be in range of Old Cannibal. Just our Array-Engineers and some of our Legions. Which means my pessimism and grumbling is probably all for nothing. Hopefully, anyway.

As for Jin Muyi, Xiao Yi... well of course I want to fete him as a hero.

It's unfortunate that either way, the full truth won't be told. In the scenario where he is used as a cautionary tale, his contribution of the retrieval of the spear would be played down (instead the spear would just be loot taken from beating him or something, presumably). In the scenario where he is a hero, it probably won't be told that he got possessed by a Disciple of the Soup Chef; instead it'll either focus on him retrieving the spear and helping to put down a rampaging madman, or giving his life to help slow down and stop the madman, and the loot from that battle being a useful spear.

((Well, okay, Manuel probably won't tell everybody about the spear and precisely what it does; because he's gonna be keeping it at least a little bit close to the chest, in order to surprise the Jingshen. Until and unless he wants to spread the story of the spear, in order to build up its worth and potency as a deterrence. In which case, "I have a very scary spear, don't fuck with me" is indeed something you want people to know. But, Manuel knows better than I on what to reveal and what to conceal, so.))
 
Let's see where our votes stand two days in.
Adhoc vote count started by Insane-Not-Crazy on Aug 16, 2021 at 2:53 PM, finished with 120 posts and 44 votes.

  • [x] Plan For Forgiveness, Not Permission
    -[x] Jin Muyi was a hero of the Clan to the very last
    -[X] Send the Clan's best Array-Engineers as well as several Legions south from the Great Battlefield to the Verdant South
    -[x] War against the Jingshen Clan- Simply invade. Strike with all your might and seize territory. Kill cultivators. Requires your personal attention to prevent Nascent Souls simply obliterating your forces. Uses your personal Action for the turn. War will open a set of new sub-turns.
    -[x] Manuel - Hunt An Enemy (Old Jingshen) - Why not? Hunt down enemies, see if you can kill someone. Usually used against an opposing Nascent Soul. Potentially very dangerous.
    -[x] Kleisthenes - War - Work with Lady Yao to Assassinate or Subvert the Jingshen Nascent Soul candidates and steal their Nascent Soul Tribulation treasures. Ensure that a third Jingshen Nascent Soul does not arise, let alone a fourth.
    -[x] The Hong Xuan Division (1 Purchase)
    -[x] Purchase a Nascent Treasure - The Hateful Mirror (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
    -[X] Raise Two Scorpion Legions (1 Purchase)
    [X]Plan: Destasia Unleashed
    -[x] Jin Muyi was a hero of the Clan to the very last
    -[X] Send the Clan's best Array-Engineers as well as several Legions south from the Great Battlefield to the Verdant South
    -[X] War (Jingshen) - Simply invade. Strike with all your might and seize territory. Kill cultivators. Requires your personal attention to prevent Nascent Souls from simply obliterating your forces. Uses your personal Action for the turn. War will open a set of new sub-turns.
    -[x] Purchase a Nascent Treasure - The Hateful Mirror (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
    -[X] Grow a Shambler Legion (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
    [X] Plan: Altar Lord's Last Chance
    -[X]-"I am threading the eye of a needle, Ai'er. I am standing on a sinking ship aflame, standing in the last place of safety as I attempt to finish a great work left before me. But the ship is sinking, and time is rapidly running out. We must buy a little more time and space."
    -[X] Manuel has divined that The Last Altar Lord is planning something big. He's desperately scrabbling for just a little more time to play his final card. The crowning achievement of his entire life. Altar Lord does not care for power, he simply took it because it was necessary for this very blow against Heaven, this final act. While we abhor his methods, we have a mutual enemy. We will not help the Righteous Path gain enough slack to crush the culmination of his dream that we share.
    -[X] Jin Muyi was a fallen hero of the Clan, a victim of his own techniques
    -[X] A tragic man with a tragic fate and a tragic ending will leave a tragic memory.
    -[x] Don't
    -[X] We will not give Heaven the slack required to remove the rebellion. We will not assist the Righteous Path to end the war that protects us.
    -[X] War (Jingshen) - Simply invade. Strike with all your might and seize territory. Kill cultivators. Requires your personal attention to prevent Nascent Souls simply obliterating your forces. Uses your personal Action for the turn.
    -[X] Manuel - War
    -[X] It is time.
    -[X] Kleisthenes - Work with Lady Yao to assassinate or subvert the Jingshen Nascent Soul candidates and steal their Nascent Soul Tribulation treasures.
    -[X] The treasures Jingshen hold could catapult us to among the strongest powers immediately, protecting us from easy retaliation. We cannot allow Jingshen to user them first.
    -[X] Raise Two Scorpion Legions (1 Purchase)
    -[X] A Thousand Spies, Ten Thousand Eyes on the Blood Oak (1 Purchase)
    -[x] Purchase a Nascent Treasure - The Hateful Mirror (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
    [X] Plan Conventional War
    -[X] Jin Muyi was a fallen hero of the Clan, a victim of his own techniques
    -[x] Don't
    -[X] War (Jingshen) - You are as ever a loyal ally. The Flood Dragon Gang has called upon you to help them repay the insult made by Jingshen personally to Lady Yao. You march with the Gang to demand a reckoning and force out the Jingshen Nascents.
    -[x] (War) Manuel
    -[x] (War) Kleisthenes
    -[x] The Hong Xuan Division
    -[x] Purchase a Nascent Treasure - The Hateful Mirror
    -[x] Raise Two Scorpion Legions
    [X] Plan: The most important part of any summary execution is to remember to have fun and be yourself
    -[X] Jin Muyi was a fallen hero of the Clan, a victim of his own techniques
    --[X] Alas, for Jin Muyi a beloved hero of the Clan has fallen to the blood path in his lust for power and had to be struck down, he was tricked into being overcome by a blood path legacy by the scheming Jingshen who have been revealed to be blood path users
    -[X] Send the Clan's best Array-Engineers as well as several Legions south from the Great Battlefield to the Verdant South
    --[X] Given how we and the Strength Purity Sect have such an eternal friendship we will of course aid them against the vile blood path. Though times may be hard, together we stand against the demonic forces of the blood path.
    -[X] War - Jingshen
    --[X] The foul Jingshen have gone too far, they have assaulted the beautiful righteous Yao Zhihao with intent to murder her and consume her flesh using the vile blood path, they even used one of their secret blood path legacies to corrupt our beloved hero Jin Muyi. In hindsight we should have know that the Jingshen were blood path users from how they go about slaughtering mortals. Still it is to late to change the past all that remains in front of us in justice found in their summary execution.
    -[X] Manuel - War on Jingshen
    -[X] Kleisthenes - War on Jingshen
    -[X] Grow a Shambler Legion (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
    -[X] Raise Two Scorpion Legions (1 Purchase)
    [X] Your sacrifices will not be wasted!
    [X] Plan Ok These Guys are Tough
    -[x] Jin Muyi was a hero of the Clan to the very last
    -[x] Don't
    -[X] War (Jingshen) - You are as ever a loyal ally. The Flood Dragon Gang has called upon you to help them repay the insult made by Jingshen personally to Lady Yao. You march with the Gang to demand a reckoning and force out the Jingshen Nascents.
    -[x] (War) Manuel
    -[x] (War) Kleisthenes
    -[x] The Hong Xuan Division
    -[x] Purchase a Nascent Treasure - The Hateful Mirror
    -[x] Raise Two Scorpion Legions
    [X] Plan : Honorable and Steadfast Golden Devils
    -[X] Jin Muyi was a fallen hero of the Clan, a victim of his own techniques
    -[X] Send the Clan's best Array-Engineers as well as several Legions south from the Great Battlefield to the Verdant South
    -[X] War (Jingshen) - Help the Flood Dragons
    -[X] Kleisthenes and Lady Lao - Raiding (Jingshen)
    -[X] Manuel - Hunt An Enemy (Old Jingshen)
    -[x] The Hong Xuan Division
    -[x] Raise Two Scorpion Legions
    [X] Plan Bait
    -[x] Jin Muyi was a hero of the Clan to the very last
    -[X] Send the Clan's best Array-Engineers as well as several Legions south from the Great Battlefield to the Verdant South
    -[X] Muster troops on the Jingshen border, find a suitable stronghold and charge Destasia with the highest of heresy: the construction of a mind-tunnelling array, with the objective to help Manuel focus the shadow of heaven's will through OJ's hat and pull secrets straight out of his head. We will then spread the details of this top secret project to literally anyone who will listen.
    -[X] While they wait for a response, Manuel will teach Yao and Klei the advanced topics of NS combat after that poor performance against Jiao.
    -[X] A Thousand Spies, Ten Thousand Eyes on the Blood Oak (1 Purchase)
    -[X] Grow a Shambler Legion (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
    -[X] Raise Two Scorpion Legions (1 Purchase)
    [X] Plan: Victory comes to those who wait.
    -[X] Jin Muyi was a fallen hero of the Clan, a victim of his own techniques
    -[X] Send the Clan's best Array-Engineers as well as several Legions south from the Great Battlefield to the Verdant South
    -[X] Training Soldiers - Raising Disciples to higher Realms is all well and good, but training them to be perfect members of Formations is better. Ensure your Clan is trained and ready for war. Your readiness to go to war will increase significantly, though this fades over time.
    -[X] Manuel - Economic Activity
    -[X] Kleisthenes - Tend to Diplomacy
    -[x] Purchase a Nascent Treasure - The Hateful Mirror (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
    -[X] Grow a Shambler Legion (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
    -[X] Raise Two Scorpion Legions (1 Purchase)
 
I'd prefer to both keep our best and most veteran legions (I'm also not unsympathetic towards Olivebirdy's argument) AND raise the extremely effective shock infantry to maximize our chances, but none of the plans do that, so approval voting;
I could make one.

[] Plan: All Hands on Deck
-[] Recall several of your best Legions and Array Masters who have recently fought in large-scale war.
-[] Jin Muyi was a hero of the Clan to the very last
-[] Grow a Shambler Legion (Major Purchase - costs 2 Purchases)
-[] Raise Two Scorpion Legions (1 Purchase)
-[] Save Spirit Stones for use in Qi Drain Desert. (1 Purchase)
-[] Manuel - War
-[] Kleisthenes - Work with Lady Yao to assassinate or subvert the Jingshen Nascent Soul candidates and steal their Nascent Soul Tribulation treasures.
-[] Clan - War

There. All hands on deck. Well, not all hands, but the Hong Xuan purchase only gives us Foundation Building cultivators.

Don't worry about the lack of X's, I voted for this on my previous post so it doesn't mess up my Altar Lord's Last Chance plan.

This plan keeps the expendable zombies for assaulting the becannoned fortresses. The scorpion legions for speed. We'd be able to set arrays in every fortress or mine we take, making them harder to take back from us.

Without arrays, if we want to keep a mine, we're going to have to leave a full Legion in it. We have a limited amount of legions and we're going to be leaving defending legions everywhere we conquer so if we want to keep having an invasion, we'll need enough legions to fill the mines.

Along with the zombie nod to Destasia Unleashed, we're going to be fighting in the qi-draining desert. Each of the outer clans has a mine within a qi drain effect, if we want to assault them without worrying about too much time spent in it, we should save spirit stones for keeping charged.

If it turns out that we can't use stones as portable batteries, I'll change over to Hing Xuan.
 
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There. All hands on deck. Well, not all hands, but the Hong Xuan purchase only gives us Foundation Building cultivators.

Don't worry about the lack of X's, I voted for this on my previous post so it doesn't mess up my Altar Lord's Last Chance plan.

This plan keeps the expendable zombies for assaulting the becannoned fortresses. The scorpion legions for speed. We'd be able to set arrays in every fortress or mine we take, making them harder to take back from us.

Without arrays, if we want to keep a mine, we're going to have to leave a full Legion in it. We have a limited amount of legions and we're going to be leaving defending legions everywhere we conquer so if we want to keep having an invasion, we'll need enough legions to fill the mines.

Along with the zombie nod to Destasia Unleashed, we're going to be fighting in the qi-draining desert. Each of the outer clans has a mine within a qi drain effect, if we want to assault them without worrying about too much time spent in it, we should save spirit stones for keeping charged.

If it turns out that we can't use stones as portable batteries, I'll change over to Hing Xuan.

The Clan has plenty of Spirit Stones to use as portable batteries - there's a degree of wealth not mentioned in Purchases because strategic operational reserves to keep the Legions running aren't to be spent, and since the Clan is only moving one-tenth or so of the Legions even that is no major concern. The problem is more logistics than it is anything else - a cultivator can carry enough Spirit Stones for their own personal use if they're mostly just wandering around and get into one or two fights max, but for extended sieges you're going to need a lot of them, or the ability to force the issue with an assault.

The real issue is 'moving Spirit Stones up the Road against Jingshen harrassment' to help the Legions win sieges. The Legions are fairly good at sieges (siegecraft working both ways and all), but this is still an unfavorable situation for them where the deployable Legions simply aren't going to win most fights on their own as they're massively outnumbered. They're relying on being able to win the occasional fight by settling in, besieging and using Nascent Soul support (as the Nascent Soul calculus heavily favors the Clan, which is why Sheng Yu has even contemplated this war) to crack open cities at opportune times.
 
Hum, having a group that go for 'breath, train muscles, meditate (and eats well if possible for most cases) only in the desert don't sound as stupid as I (and them) believed to be then. For QC cultivators.

But now I curious how long the average brother takes to use QI techs.

Thanks the gods that IC they all went with the easier to use and low amount of area (fist) as possible for techs/arts. With the exception of raising pillar.

And, for them, 'cast fist', 'cast fist hard/fast' and enhanced with more QI then 'cast extra hard/fast fist'. Is their main thing when they unlucky enough to fight.

...and that they are perfectly happy to fight as group people that far weaker than them. And them are perfectly willing to run away. And etc.

This talk about batteries and the horrible economy cost that a single siege cost (in the point of view of mortals). Make really glad I went with the stupid/silly idea of 'no stone path'
 
Their power and administrative structure looks so top-heavy that if we spear Junjie, the rest might surrended and accept vassalage.

If he turtles in the Spirit Palace where the Jingshen Nascent Wills are most likely hidden then the entire rest of the land is free game for Manuel to poke, picking the elites of the defenders off one by one as they can't hide from the spear.

Am I really misreading the power of the spear so heavily? It looked like an instant-win kind of treasure, not "just" another advantage among a pile of others.

It can be worked around. It makes Manuel the best Mid Nascent in the Third Sea. He still loses to Late Nascents, and it can be blocked by simply interposing stuff between the target and Manuel. It's very powerful and restricts enemy fighting options incredibly, incredibly massively, but he expects to win open confrontations in the same way that most Mid Nascents would've taken an unprepared Manuel previously. He's not going to dominate someone in two or three hits, and he's still very much vulnerable to taking damage once the spear's limitations are figured out.
 
It can be worked around. It makes Manuel the best Mid Nascent in the Third Sea. He still loses to Late Nascents, and it can be blocked by simply interposing stuff between the target and Manuel. It's very powerful and restricts enemy fighting options incredibly, incredibly massively, but he expects to win open confrontations in the same way that most Mid Nascents would've taken an unprepared Manuel previously. He's not going to dominate someone in two or three hits, and he's still very much vulnerable to taking damage once the spear's limitations are figured out.
...which is why he's "Manuel of the thousand strategems", rather than "Manuel, wielder of The Spear". "Fight Good" is solid by itself, but it's great as yet another trump card when you're already outscheming them.
 
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