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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

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Great chapter, glad you're back on schedule. That said I'm unsure if you are going to take into account what I said about the time differential between Chaldea and the Singularities, though I'm guessing you didn't have the chance to look through the next few chapters to change it so I'm not too worried yet. Regardless I just hope you keep what I said in mind going forward. And loved the reference to Rin!

Looks like the next chapter we'll get to see Mash learn how to use her Noble Phantasm, albeit incorrectly, so it should be a bit more action oriented than this chapter was.

Some final concerns I have after thinking about it after this chapter is if you plan on having the rest of the Master Candidates ever recover, it'd be bad for the story. Frankly if they all died of complications it'd be for the best story wise. It's the same issue I touched upon back in the Essence thread, it'd take away from Taylor's, and the Twin's, journey and it's impact.

Olga can get away with potentially living because she has zero potential as a Master, though I'd argue her living would take away some of the fun potential of having a ton of Servants in Chaldea. No way she'd ever allow stuff like the Valentines or Christmas events to happen, let alone let the Prillya or KnK event go down. She's always been depicted as a hard ass, and she'd probably treat more Servants poorly. Which is probably why her Master potential is zero, but that's beside the point.
 
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Great chapter, glad you're back on schedule. That said I'm unsure if you are going to take into account what I said about the time differential between Chaldea and the Singularities, though I'm guessing you didn't have the chance to look through the next few chapters to change it so I'm not too worried yet. Regardless I just hope you keep what I said in mind going forward. And loved the reference to Rin!

Looks like the next chapter we'll get to see Mash learn how to use her Noble Phantasm, albeit incorrectly, so it should be a bit more action oriented than this chapter was.

Some final concerns I have after thinking about it after this chapter is if you plan on having the rest of the Master Candidates ever recover, it'd be bad for the story. Frankly if they all died of complications it'd be for the best story wise. It's the same issue I touched upon back in the Essence thread, it'd take away from Taylor's, and the Twin's, journey and it's impact.

Olga can get away with potentially living because she has zero potential as a Master, though I'd argue her living would take away some of the fun potential of having a ton of Servants in Chaldea. No way she'd ever allow stuff like the Valentines or Christmas events to happen, let alone let the Prillya or KnK event go down. She's always been depicted as a hard ass, and she'd probably treat more Servants poorly. Which is probably why her Master potential is zero, but that's beside the point.
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She's dead already. It's why she was Rayshifted with everybody else. Back in Chaldea she had one of the bombs right under her seat. Whatever remains of her body is a soot smear across the room.
Barring something like Taylor reconnecting with QA and gaining the power to bind Olga's soul as a Familiar she can't return to Chaldea because her soul would immediately disperse. And even if that happened she'd still have to make it through the Lev encounter and his sadistic idea of how to pickle a human soul for all eternity with a fiery pseudo-blackhole. And on the Taylor side of things reconnecting with QA would be bad. A key component of the Rayshift system is rendering the subject into an unobserved state, and that can't happen when you have an alien supercomputer plugged into your brain observing everything about you.
 
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She's dead already. It's why she was Rayshifted with everybody else. Back in Chaldea she had one of the bombs right under her seat. Whatever remains of her body is a soot smear across the room.
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One other fic here on SV kind-of sidestepped the issue by converting Olga's soul into a Saint Graph / Spirit Origin, but required the use of one of Ereshkigal's Authorities to do so.

Yet another story (only on SB, AFAIK) anchored Olga's soul to the Grail that Salter used to sustain Singularity F just long enough for Chaldea to kick start the various Grand Orders.

As obviously non-canon compliant such measures are, are they at least somewhat within the realm of possibility, so far as Nasuverse metaphysics are concerned?
 
I wish someone would suggest searching the house for useful supplies and equipment for the upcoming battle, and they find Ruby in the locked trunk in the basement. Heh.
 
A very nice update all in all. I'm torn between understanding resignation at Taylor's suspicion of Caster, and the fact that there are Heroic Spirits who would and could lie and backstab people, and she's working with that principle.
 
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Yeah that's the case in Canon, and most Fics, but @James D. Fawkes has hinted she might be able to survive in this Fic in past posts. At first I thought, ok that might work out, but as I continued thinking about it over the past few weeks it's dawned on me how very bad it would be to have her survive, in terms of story. Like I said above she's a hard ass, who wouldn't be up to dealing with things like the GudaGuda event, which is ridiculous even as it's actually Canon.

Roman on the other hand is much more laidback, and a lot more understanding of why Ritsuka handling the various Servants of Chaldea the way they do is necessary. It allows them to bond and earn their trust far beyond what most magi would be capable of. Most magus aren't able to do that, which is typically why you see them fail so much in other series like Apocrypha or Zero. Great magi don't typically make great Masters.

EVA-Saiyajin said:
A very nice update all in all. I'm torn between understanding resignation at Taylor's suspicion of Caster, and the fact that there are Heroic Spirits who would and could lie and backstab people, and she's working with that principle.
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Remember this is a Taylor who is from Post-GM and is absolutely not trusting or able to ask for help. She's gotten a bit better (presumably by interacting with Da Vinci, Roman and Mash), but she is still not the most trusting of people. This story will very likely be about her learning to open up to people again.

Speaking of which @James D. Fawkes, where the hell is Fou? I don't think you've mentioned him, and he's just as much a necessary part of the journey as the others.
 
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Like I said above she's a hard ass, who wouldn't be up to dealing with things like the GudaGuda event, which is ridiculous even as it's actually Canon
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I think Taylor would be a mitigating influence. When Olga tries to be too much of a hardass Taylor can just bop her on the head and tell her to chill out. Taylor is the girl that was holding a street barbeque for her territory in the midst of a back to back S Rank emergency recovery when Dragon tried to take back the city.
And Olga's got a character arc to go through too. If Mash can go from "the world's most annoying pokemon" to "Best kouhai" (and BB is definitely the worst, off topic but it always needs to be said) in a year then Olga can go from a hardass failure to a respected tsundere too.
 
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I think Taylor would be a mitigating influence. When Olga tries to be too much of a hardass Taylor can just bop her on the head and tell her to chill out. Taylor is the girl that was holding a street barbeque for her territory in the midst of a back to back S Rank emergency recovery when Dragon tried to take back the city.
And Olga's got a character arc to go through too. If Mash can go from "the world's most annoying pokemon" to "Best kouhai" (and BB is definitely the worst, off topic but it always needs to be said) in a year then Olga can go from a hardass failure to a respected tsundere too.
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Fair enough, and I suppose Taylor can be the moderating influence, though a part of me finds the idea absurd which even Taylor acknowledged in an earlier chapter. Also how dare you! BB is a wonderful Kouhai, sure her methods are atrocious, but she's not got a lot to work with in those circumstances. As for Mash, well remember this journey is also about her growth as well. She's been raised purely in Chaldea, her being as well adjusted as she is right now is something of a minor miracle. She's a bit more emotive than in Canon, though I think that's due to her interacting with Taylor in addition to Roman and Da Vinci.
 
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One other fic here on SV kind-of sidestepped the issue by converting Olga's soul into a Saint Graph / Spirit Origin, but required the use of one of Ereshkigal's Authorities to do so.

Yet another story (only on SB, AFAIK) anchored Olga's soul to the Grail that Salter used to sustain Singularity F just long enough for Chaldea to kick start the various Grand Orders.

As obviously non-canon compliant such measures are, are they at least somewhat within the realm of possibility, so far as Nasuverse metaphysics are concerned?
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I'm not sure you'd actually need Eresh's Authority to accomplish that. In the end, as far as magecraft is concerned, the soul is still just data, so if you already have a method of recording the data it contains, that method should work, too. It's a bit of a gray area, though.

When it comes to using a Grail, however... I suppose, technically speaking, you could make a wish on Fuyuki's Grail to restore Olga to life and that should work. For Taylor, at least, as the victor of the Holy Grail War. You could also probably make a wish on Salter's Grail, too, because it's an actual Grail instead of a mechanism built for the ritual of attaining the Heaven's Feel. But that's only if Lev gives you the chance before he throws Olga into Chaldeas.
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Speaking of which @James D. Fawkes, where the hell is Fou? I don't think you've mentioned him, and he's just as much a necessary part of the journey as the others.
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I kept forgetting about him, and not having a good place to reintroduce his presence. He shows up next chapter, though. Consider him as having gone to check up on his annoying "master's" old student.

Like with a lot of Hereafter, Taylor's relationship with Fou isn't as simple as "all-but-OC dropped into FGO." Taylor and Fou have a...complicated relationship.
 
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I kept forgetting about him, and not having a good place to reintroduce his presence. He shows up next chapter, though. Consider him as having gone to check up on his annoying "master's" old student.

Like with a lot of Hereafter, Taylor's relationship with Fou isn't as simple as "all-but-OC dropped into FGO." Taylor and Fou have a...complicated relationship.
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Oh good! He's a very fun character, if only because of what he could be and very much isn't in Grand Order. Though I'd have thought that Taylor being friends with Rachel would endear Fou to her. Maybe not vice-versa, though so maybe that's what you mean by complicated.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
When it comes to using a Grail, however... I suppose, technically speaking, you could make a wish on Fuyuki's Grail to restore Olga to life and that should work. For Taylor, at least, as the victor of the Holy Grail War.
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Except that particular Grail is corrupted all to hell by Angra Mainyu. Wishing on it to restore Olga would be worse than having her fall into Chaldeas or having a Servant devour her.

Luckily, there's a solution. The Tohsaka house should still have Gilgamesh's catalyst, and he can definitely cleanse the Grail so it can be used properly. With Kaleidostick Ruby to provide power, bringing Olga back should be simple at that point.
 
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What does that mean?
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I mean that Taylor's nature and her history do have an impact on her relationships with the characters in the story, rather than her just being little more than an OC whose presence changes basically nothing about the characters and their starting positions. You can already see it in how Olga and Romani talk to her.
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Oh good! He's a very fun character, if only because of what he could be and very much isn't in Grand Order. Though I'd have thought that Taylor being friends with Rachel would endear Fou to her. Maybe not vice-versa, though so maybe that's what you mean by complicated.
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I could tell you why it's complicated, because I'm not sure it'll ever come up. We know what Fou is, because he talks at the screen when he rezzes Mash, but none of the other characters ever find out.
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Except that particular Grail is corrupted all to hell by Angra Mainyu. Wishing on it to restore Olga would be worse than having her fall into Chaldeas or having a Servant devour her.
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We don't actually know that for sure, though. Singularity F resembles no Grail War we know about canonically, so it could be an iteration of the Fifth from FSN, or it could be an iteration of the First from FGO's timeline. Even with this chapter, I've only confirmed Rin existed, which says nothing else about her life before Fuyuki nuked everyone in the city.

Singularity F is just weird.
 
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I'd be down with that if you want to share. My guess would be that compared to Mash, Taylor's life and experiences are much, much darker and Fou is picking up on it.
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It's because they recognize each other as Beast candidates. Taylor's moment of Advent, of course, has come and gone, and she rejected it. But they both instinctively recognize the threat the other poses, and as a result, they can't get along.

Like I said, though, I'm not sure that'll ever get talked about in-story.
 
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It's because they recognize each other as Beast candidates. Taylor's moment of Advent, of course, has come and gone, and she rejected it. But they both instinctively recognize the threat the other poses, and as a result, they can't get along.

Like I said, though, I'm not sure that'll ever get talked about in-story.
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Then wouldn't Fou recognize that she can no longer become a Beast, and thus isn't a threat? And there's no way Goetia is going to let that go by, he'll hammer it and try to use it to break Chaldea.
 
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It's because they recognize each other as Beast candidates. Taylor's moment of Advent, of course, has come and gone, and she rejected it. But they both instinctively recognize the threat the other poses, and as a result, they can't get along.

Like I said, though, I'm not sure that'll ever get talked about in-story.
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Tamamo must be so jealous.
"It was in your hands! You were right on the cusp of it, and you threw it away! For what? A bunch of worthless people that tried to kill you. Turned around and banished you when they couldn't do it!"
 
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Tamamo must be so jealous.
"It was in your hands! You were right on the cusp of it, and you threw it away! For what? A bunch of worthless people that tried to kill you. Turned around and banished you when they couldn't do it!"
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I take it you meant to refer to Tamamo-vitch, a.k.a. Koyanskaya there, rather than OG/Caster!Tamamo?

Because she's the one who is actively pursuing the path of a Beast, though at the risk of Amaterasu overriding her if she does so too early.
 
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