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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

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Oh, good grief... Is Jeanne going to accuse Taylor of being in league with Beelzebub? I mean, technically Taylor is connected to an eldritch being, but it's not one connected to Hell. Taylor does bring up a good point though... Considering what everyone else does with their magic, it'd be hilarious if they all thought she was the odd one.

Also, anyone else notice how Mash is consistently delaying Taylor's orders by first looking towards the twins? I get it, they are her Masters, but they need to sit down and have a very serious chat about the chain of command. Because hesitation like that could get them killed if it comes up at a bad time.

NaGeL said:
Was the assassin Elizabeth Báthory?

Or who?
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Carmilla
 
NaGeL said:
Was the assassin Elizabeth Báthory?

Or who?
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Camilla the vampire based on Báthory, she's a decent Assassin but not nearly strong enough to be a threat to most of the servants in France. (Though rolling her as your tutorial servant is surprisingly rare compared to some of the others).
 
M.Hatter said:
Camilla the vampire based on Báthory, she's a decent Assassin but not nearly strong enough to be a threat to most of the servants in France. (Though rolling her as your tutorial servant is surprisingly rare compared to some of the others).
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Carmilla is to Elizabeth what Emiya is to Shirou.

Code-Perseus said:
Three, actually. The third plague was Lice, Biting flies sent after livestock was the fourth, and swarms of Locusts were the eighth.
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Taylor also do the Fifth, Ninth and Tenth if she gets enough bugs and she's careful about using them.
 
Flamerai said:
I'm assuming Vlad much like Martha isn't happy with being with such an anti Christian god group so was holding back as much as he could
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Ehh sort of. Jeanne Alter is a really shitty Master so her "Servants" chafe at following her orders, and despite his legend Vlad is a firm believer in Noblesse Oblige. He also has immense respect for Christian Saints, like Jeanne or Martha. Think of Jeanne Alter's minions being forced to obey her like Artoria was forced to obey Kiritsugu or Cu obeying Kirei. They have no desire to follow her orders they are still Heroic Spirits after all, but the Madness Enhancement and command seals force their obedience. So letting the team get away when he can without getting under too much suspicion is pretty much all Vlad could do.

Incidentally this is probably the last time Taylor and the Team will get this lucky, at least without some serious sacrifices occurring. Everyone else from here on will be firm believers in trying to fuck over everyone else. Not sure if there's something similar that happens in Canon Septem, and even my fantastic savant memory isn't that good. Altera doesn't go all out, but I think it was because she didn't particularly want to attempt to win. Could be wrong on this last part, but a no holds barred Altera is easily up there in terms of destructive capabilities as Gilgamesh.

That spinning death beam Noble Phantasm attack you see in the game of Grand Order? That's not a real Noble Phantasm. No that's Altera purposely holding back and using a fraction of her Noble Phantasm sword's power.

Even Teardrop Photon Ray, the attack we see Altera use in the Final Singularity and in the Extella games, isn't a true Noble Phantasm. Nope instead that's just Altera purposely attracting the attention of the dead god Mars and using her own Prana to brute force her way into spoofing her location to above her chosen target and letting the leftover programming from the dead Mars unleash a devastating attack in an attempt to kill Altera, his hated enemy. She just misdirects it so it hits her enemies instead of her. It's a final "fuck you" from him to her ala a Dresden style Death Curse, albeit a perpetual one.

Atlasofremembran said:
Ah... Carmilla...

Well, hopefully we'll see Liz in the future.
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Liz is in Orleans, along with Kiyohime. They're just over in Charite I think.
 
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I did end up rolling Carmilla as my starter and I found her genuinely quite useful.
Eh, I'll miss her but she served excellently to show off Arash's usefulness.
 
I rolled Siegfried as my starter, got Atalanta soon after, was much fun.

So Jeanne might assume Taylor is in League with Beelzebub or something, or is doing Biblical Plague shenanigans. Or is it just because no one is sensing her using magecraft to do the bug control?

But yeah, Mash hesitating when Taylor gives her an order will fuck them if it's not sorted out.
 
Barghest Blue said:
But yeah, Mash hesitating when Taylor gives her an order will fuck them if it's not sorted out.
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Well she's doing a lot better at following Taylors orders than she did in Singularity F.
And Taylor did note that Mash is learning how to fight and use her skills/equipment effectively at an extremely fast pace, it's entirely possible that she'll be following Taylor's orders as easily as the Fujimaru's.
Unlikely, because it would skip over some character development, but possible.
 
The real question is who's going to contract with Liz and Kiyohime. I'd say it would be Ritsuka, since he hasn't contracted with any Servants besides Mash, but I also feel like Rika could handle Kiyohime's Kiyohimeness the best out of the three.
 
Scriptd said:
The real question is who's going to contract with Liz and Kiyohime. I'd say it would be Ritsuka, since he hasn't contracted with any Servants besides Mash, but I also feel like Rika could handle Kiyohime's Kiyohimeness the best out of the three.
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Don't forget Mozart, Marie, George or Sumanai. Though I'm not sure on Kiyohime contracting to Rika, it'd be amusing to see Kiyohime latch onto Taylor. It might actually get through her massive self esteem issues, which are almost certainly still there. Seeing Taylor flounder with a very clingy preteen dragon girl proclaiming Taylor to be her beloved might be good character development.

Or Taylor might flip and beg Arash to save her. Kind of a coin toss.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
Ten-thousand arrows — that number seemed enormous, but you couldn't appreciate the scale of something like that until you saw it yourself. Until you saw them rise into the sky and come back down, black dots growing larger and larger as their sheer number cast a long shadow over everything beneath them.

Watching it, I was certain that even Cúchulainn wouldn't have been able to dodge them all, even with his Protection from Arrows skill. At a certain point, the utterly ridiculous quantity had to overwhelm even as celebrated a hero as that
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I know it's from Taylor's perspective, but these two lines are pretty funny together, since Cu is the man who lasted 12 hours against Gilgamesh in the Fate route.
 
TetsuoS2 said:
I know it's from Taylor's perspective, but these two lines are pretty funny together, since Cu is the man who lasted 12 hours against Gilgamesh in the Fate route.
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to be perfectly honest, Gilgamesh, unless he takes things seriously, does not fire ten thousand weapons from the gates of Babylon all at once. I don't think any Archer does, to be honest. I mean, Robin Hood can probably do some fancy tricks with arrows, it's practically what he's most famous for, but he probably can't fire ten thousand of them at once.

Sure, Gilgamesh can probably beat Arash's volume of fire, but that's only if he takes things seriously, and if he takes things seriously, he has more options than just "spam blades at target until it dies, but better"
 
Y'know the servants are really presented well in this story. Arash's badassness is firmly established, and Carmilla is definitely one of the weaker servants who's only truly effective when certain conditions are met. And Vlady shows his competence as a warrior even under mad enhancement.

Side note:
Vlad in fate is one of best examples of how a servant's legend can impact their abilities and strength. Vlad is not only a famed warrior, commander, and strategist, but he also inspired the tale of Dracula. This is best seen in how he fought off Karna in Apocrypha. I truly believe that if he wasn't famous for being "Vlad the Impaler" and "Count Dracula" Karna would have absolutely wrecked his shit.
(and before you say anything, yes he had Demonic Defender of the State and a boost from being summoned in his homeland, but you think those things matter to the heroes of India? Those are the guys who would look at the feats of Plus Ultra-ing! Shonen Protagonists in their final forms and go, "oh that's cute".
 
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Code-Perseus said:
Lets be honest here. Most Hindu Servant are never going to be summoned into their proper classes due to them being hilariously overpowered. Hell, Karna is a top-class Servant as is, and Lancer is his weakest Class.
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This is so true its not even funny. Honestly, aside from Assassin, Caster, and maybe Saber all Grand Servant positions could be held by Hindu Servants if they were in their proper class.
 
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Windborne said:
Even Teardrop Photon Ray, the attack we see Altera use in the Final Singularity and in the Extella games, isn't a true Noble Phantasm. Nope instead that's just Altera purposely attracting the attention of the dead god Mars and using her own Prana to brute force her way into spoofing her location to above her chosen target and letting the leftover programming from the dead Mars unleash a devastating attack in an attempt to kill Altera, his hated enemy. She just misdirects it so it hits her enemies instead of her. It's a final "fuck you" from him to her ala a Dresden style Death Curse, albeit a perpetual one.
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Ares, aka Mars, isn't dead. Unlike Poseidon, who got killed by Francis Drake, Ares is alive and well, as are Artemis and Apollo... and that bitch Aphrodite. That's why Altera can't use Teardrop Photon Ray very often; if she pulls it out too often, Ares will realize he's being used by his mortal enemy as an artillery platform, and he won't take it well.
 
Asterix! Asterix! Beetlejuice! Asterix! :D
Nah, but seriously, I'll enjoy whatever you come up with!

Taylor's "Oooooooh, shit." when she realized who Berserk Lancer was... *chef's kiss*.
 
Finagle007 said:
Ares, aka Mars, isn't dead. Unlike Poseidon, who got killed by Francis Drake, Ares is alive and well, as are Artemis and Apollo... and that bitch Aphrodite. That's why Altera can't use Teardrop Photon Ray very often; if she pulls it out too often, Ares will realize he's being used by his mortal enemy as an artillery platform, and he won't take it well.
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I was under the impression that Mars, and I'm being very specific here in that wording, is dead due to Sefar. And I thought Artemis was a very special case because she hijacked Orion's Spirit Origin. As far as I'm aware, and I'm not spoiling myself regarding anything past NA's currently released story as the story of FGO is half of why I enjoy playing it, every major European and Middle Eastern god died to Sefar and it was only Divine Spirits who were able to manifest after that point. It's why we see Ishtar and Ereshkigal inhabiting Rin, because that was the only way for them to manifest. It's also why Kuku and Ishtar are such different entities on the Throne of Heroes, they're both fragments of the power of Venus, and Ishtar is the precursor for the Roman Goddess Venus and Aphrodite, but all three are technically different entities.

If that isn't the case for Proper Human History that's fine, it's a pretty minor retcon of a tidbit I saw while playing Extella. If that's different in LB5 I'm going to guess that was the deviation point that led to it being chosen to be destroyed by the Theoretical Pruning Phenomenon. The Age of Gods started to end after Sefar, which is a key moment in Proper Human History. But please avoid spoiling me.
 
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ProxyLord said:
(and before you say anything, yes he had Demonic Defender of the State and a boost from being summoned in his homeland, but you think those things matter to the heroes of India? Those are the guys who would look at the feats of Plus Ultra-ing! Shonen Protagonists in their final forms and go, "oh that's cute".
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Especially considering the fact Nasu himself has made most of them in the nerfed format from the get go.
 
Worldsoul15 said:
to be perfectly honest, Gilgamesh, unless he takes things seriously, does not fire ten thousand weapons from the gates of Babylon all at once. I don't think any Archer does, to be honest. I mean, Robin Hood can probably do some fancy tricks with arrows, it's practically what he's most famous for, but he probably can't fire ten thousand of them at once.

Sure, Gilgamesh can probably beat Arash's volume of fire, but that's only if he takes things seriously, and if he takes things seriously, he has more options than just "spam blades at target until it dies, but better"
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Yeah I wasn't talking about the volume though, consider the 5 seconds Gil fought Zerkerlot the first time in Zero, every weapon was special, 12 hours against esoteric shit isn't nothing to sneeze at, especially if some of them could explode and more.

I'm not really arguing this, but it's more pointing out the fact that James did a pretty good job breaking down Taylor's expectations of servants at every turn so far.

Cu definitely has some actions to take from a massive block of normal arrows other than dodging.
 
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Windborne said:
I was under the impression that Mars, and I'm being very specific here in that wording, is dead due to Sefar. And I thought Artemis was a very special case because she hijacked Orion's Spirit Origin. As far as I'm aware, and I'm not spoiling myself regarding anything past NA's currently released story as the story of FGO is half of why I enjoy playing it, every major European and Middle Eastern god died to Sefar and it was only Divine Spirits who were able to manifest after that point. It's why we see Ishtar and Ereshkigal inhabiting Rin, because that was the only way for them to manifest. It's also why Kuku and Ishtar are such different entities on the Throne of Heroes, they're both fragments of the power of Venus, and Ishtar is the precursor for the Roman Goddess Venus and Aphrodite, but all three are technically different entities.

If that isn't the case for Proper Human History that's fine, it's a pretty minor retcon of a tidbit I saw while playing Extella. If that's different in LB5 I'm going to guess that was the deviation point that led to it being chosen to be destroyed by the Theoretical Pruning Phenomenon. The Age of Gods started to end after Sefar, which is a key moment in Proper Human History. But please avoid spoiling me.
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None of them actually died; Sefar got Excaliblasted before she could truly kill any of the gods of Earth. But the Olympians had their original bodies destroyed, effectively crippling them and forcing them to rely on regular consumption of ambrosia and the Hesperides' golden apples to maintain their immortality. This is part of the reason Athena cursed Medusa and her sisters, because they were immortal in a way she was not any more. Ishtar and Ereshkigal have to manifest by possessing Rin because they, like all the others, have degraded to the status of Divine Spirit, rather than the full goddesses they were originally. But none of them ever actually died; they only degraded due to Alaya and Gaia acknowledging that a human had succeeded where the gods had failed, so they were no longer truly gods.

The Norse gods are all dead, because Ragnarok took place in 1000 BC. Valhalla is gone, as are the Nine Realms. Odin saw the events of FGO coming, however, and imbued part of his power into the Caster version of Cu Chulainn. Poseidon is also dead, because Francis Drake killed him (somehow) shortly before the Third Singularity. She also took the Holy Grail he'd somehow gotten ahold of as a trophy, not realizing what it was. Unless a god's legend states that they died, however, none of the gods are actually dead due to Sefar's rampage.

Ares and Mars are the same god in Nasu, even though Artemis and Diana are stated to be different by Romulus-Quirinus. As such, Romulus (son of Mars) and Penthesilea (daughter of Ares) are brother and sister. Quetz and Ishtar have very different origins despite having near-identical Authorities: like the other Mesoamerican gods, Quetz started out as microbes hitching a ride on the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, while Ishtar (and Ereshkigal, since they were once one goddess) is the daughter of Anu, son of Abzu and Tiamat, both of whom originated on Earth.
 
That also kinda lines in on why Zeus was such a massive horndog. he went from badass spaceship robot, to suddenly having a more 'human' body.
All these new senses, all these new feelings. And well, he'd be remiss if he didn't make the most of what he had left to him, no? especially since in a way, he was also free.
After all, with their machine bodies no longer a factor, Chaos could no longer control them.
 
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