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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

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deathofrats0808 said:
Sakura got Medusa/Rider. Not Cu. Cu was originally summoned by Bazett, who got murked offscreen by Kirei, because Kirei is the worst.
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I think Sakura/Medusa and Zouken/Hassan are the only matched genders from summoning in FSN though. I don't think it actually means anything, but it's neat.
Rin/EMIYA
Shirou/Artoria
Bazett/Cu
Sakura/Medusa
Illya/Heracles
Atomic Gatorade/Medea
Medea/Regend
Zouken/Hassan of Cursed Arm
 
James D. Fawkes said:
The only part of Puss that comes from Shrek is his coloring, and there is, in fact, a reason for that. It's never really addressed in the story because there's never a reason for it to be addressed in the story itself, but there is a reason. Puss himself, however, is much, much older than Shrek. He's older than the USA as a country, for that matter.
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Well duh. It's because in the collective consciousness of Humanity, that is what Puss in Boots looks like right now. Shrek is an incredible popular franchise after all and even if recent, the sheer amount of people who know of him as that peculiar character does have an effect.

I give it 1/10 odds that Zolgen just want to fix Renée up longevity wise. He's got a thing for Homonculus lass. Well one in particular but she's not there and since Tohsaka is here there needs to be a stand-in for Justeaze.
 
Flamerai said:
Well Renée is now a chekhov's gun

The question is how is it going to go off. Will it be used to help or harm our heroes.
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Well... I mean... it's Zolgen Makiri. Regardless of his intentions this can only end horribly if he's involved.

Even at his best he tried to make the world a better place and failed miserably.

And if this is anything like canon this is not him at his best. Not him at his worst either but still.
 
Wonder if she's less homunculus and more limited-demiservant. Wonder if she'll join the party, and play a part in dealing with Mash's issues...
 
SilverShadows said:
I have no idea where that idea came from unless you are conflating her with Da Vinci? The lore on Nero is she was always a female but presented as male most of the time for... no particular reason really she just wanted to, and as a result most romans just treated her as a male either because they didn't personally know her or didn't care to contradict it.

Since Extra and CCC were more focused on romance and sexuality than GO (especially CCC) we know Nero canonically had a harem of both male and female lovers in life and is literally a hedonist
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Lore does say this now. But no, I'm not conflating Nero with Da Vinci, because I remember that part on her from way before F/GO came out. Like, a year or two before that, if not earlier. However it wasn't stated outright, and could be a fan theory I heard or read about. It was about ten years since then after all.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
It was an orange-furred cat, the same one she had seen just a few hours ago, dressed in the finery of a medieval aristocrat. A pair of thick, leather boots covered the entirety of its hindlegs, done up with brassy buckles that jingled with every step, and it walked upright like a man.
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Wow okay. I was not expecting Puss in Boots. (And was that the Big Bad Wolf before? The voice mimicking would fit its expected powerset.) Excited to see where the heck this twist is going!
 
MWKillKenny84 said:
Jack(ie) has the excuse "No one knows who Jack the Ripper truly was"...
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IIRC Jackie's excuse is the same as Sasaki Kojiro's - the actual Jack the Ripper is as much a narrative construct of the newspapers as a specific person, there may have been an original killer, but they weren't any more exceptional than the copycat killers and misattributed deaths.

So the summoning got the closest thing that fit - the collective spiritual amalgam of those who died on the streets,including the criminals and human predators that haunt the night and the omnipresent deadly pollution thats never noticed until it kills someone, all blended with a mix of the fears of the time.

Really she's as much a story as she's a ghost.
 
N'klas said:
Lore does say this now. But no, I'm not conflating Nero with Da Vinci, because I remember that part on her from way before F/GO came out. Like, a year or two before that, if not earlier. However it wasn't stated outright, and could be a fan theory I heard or read about. It was about ten years since then after all.
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I can only assume it's a fan theory or from a fanfiction based on Imperial Privilege allowing her to take on the "burden of the body" of skills she takes on because I sure don't remember that anywhere in Extra.

She's canonically a Saber class servant because of Imperial Privilege but it has nothing to do with her gender.
veekie said:
IIRC Jackie's excuse is the same as Sasaki Kojiro's - the actual Jack the Ripper is as much a narrative construct of the newspapers as a specific person, there may have been an original killer, but they weren't any more exceptional than the copycat killers and misattributed deaths.

So the summoning got the closest thing that fit - the collective spiritual amalgam of those who died on the streets,including the criminals and human predators that haunt the night and the omnipresent deadly pollution thats never noticed until it kills someone, all blended with a mix of the fears of the time.

Really she's as much a story as she's a ghost.
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No, Jackie is almost the exact opposite of Kojiro. There are canonically multiple unrelated Jack the Ripper servants on the Throne because of the unsolved nature of the Jack the Ripper murders. Unlike Kojiro who didn't exist so the Throne grabbed the closest possible match and just called it Kojiro.

Jack the Ripper absolutely existed but what got enshrined in legend wasn't what Jack did but the mystery and the fact they were never caught so the Throne grabbed multiple entities active at the time who had the potential to genuinely be Jack the Ripper and enshrined those.

Jackie is a conglomeration of the grudges of London's unborn children either taking the form of a little girl who was never born or possessing a street urchin who did exist (the exact details are vague and slightly contradictory between original LN and now). She was eventually exorcised as a wraith by a mage of the time which is why she dislikes mages.

The mist is an ability she had in life based on instinctual magecraft that got mixed with the pollution of London when it became a Noble Phantasm. The only currently known direct effect of the Jack the Ripper legend on her is what she calls herself, possibly her clothes, and her From Hell letter in her valentine. She's almost all ghosts (plural) barely any story.

The one you're possibly thinking of is the Strange Fake Jack which is an entity representing "The Mystery of Jack the Ripper" in a similar situation to Nursery Rhyme. That Jack is "all story, no ghost" but is explicitly separate from the apocrypha Jack we call Jackie.

Notably neither of the currently known Jack the Ripper servants actually know the answer to the mystery of the Jack the Ripper murders. SF Jack because of the nature of its existence, and Jackie because she wasn't paying any attention to that at the time.
 
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MWKillKenny84 said:
Uh, not quite. During one discussion with his equally coo-coo Master (Flat Escardos) Berserker!Jack has a 'visualization' of his possible forms, and Chibi!Jackie is among those portrayed among the bunch.
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Not quite (lol). SF Jack has the ability to transform into basically anything he wants with the minor caveat that it has some connection to the mystery of jack the ripper. He doesn't have to actually understand what that connection IS though. He isn't an alternate form of Jackie, he's using his canon shapeshifting to borrow her shape without context.

his description isn't "these are all the different summons I have as Jack the Ripper" so much as explaining his nature as the "Mystery of Jack the Ripper" and how he particularly relates to the many, MANY, theories people have put forth over the years towards solving it in regard to his specific shapeshifting ability.
 
This isn't actually Puss in Boots is it? Many people have pointed out that the servant called "Pierre" seemed to have a disguise skill from the Big Bad Wolf. Therefore I would like to push forward the idea that this is actually the Ogre from the same fairy tale. A known shapeshifter who only lost because his opponent was cleverer than he. It'd make a more solid amalgamation, that being villains from fairy tales rather than beasts from fairy tales, and would also end up explaining the shapeshifting that the servant shows.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
The only part of Puss that comes from Shrek is his coloring, and there is, in fact, a reason for that. It's never really addressed in the story because there's never a reason for it to be addressed in the story itself, but there is a reason. Puss himself, however, is much, much older than Shrek. He's older than the USA as a country, for that matter.
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Isiri Pudireach said:
Puss in Boots is an actual fairy tale, and did not originate from Shrek.
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So, I learned something new today... Still not sure how to feel about it though.
 
I despair at how so many people think the Shrek movie created all these fairy tales. And not that these fairy tales that existed for centuries was instead repurposed to make the Shrek movie.

Michael7050 said:
I am nowhere near well enough versed in Nasu logic
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For myself, the easiest way to understand Nasu Logic, is that the Fate series is a Soft Magic setting. All of those rules and laws about what is or isn't possible? Which is what makes up a Hard Magic setting? Absolutely worthless. They are only used just to show how special the character breaking those rules happens to be.

It is not a Hard Magic setting, where the laws are laws and you can't bypass them no matter what. Instead, all of the so called laws are always bypassed in Fate, making them completely useless. Therefore it is a soft magic setting, pretending to be a hard magic setting.

And for all those people who says that not even the people inside the Fate series is still learning or discovering how magic works? And that they are still discovering things? Nothing more than an excuse to try and justify that it is still a Hard Magic setting. Magic has been studied for several thousand years in setting, they shouldn't be going around constantly exclaiming how the rules keep breaking.

If it is completely normal and expected to have the laws of magic broken, over and over, then you don't have a hard magic setting. You've got a soft magic setting, pretending to be hard magic.
 
CCMax said:
I despair at how so many people think the Shrek movie created all these fairy tales. And not that these fairy tales that existed for centuries was instead repurposed to make the Shrek movie.



For myself, the easiest way to understand Nasu Logic, is that the Fate series is a Soft Magic setting. All of those rules and laws about what is or isn't possible? Which is what makes up a Hard Magic setting? Absolutely worthless. They are only used just to show how special the character breaking those rules happens to be.

It is not a Hard Magic setting, where the laws are laws and you can't bypass them no matter what. Instead, all of the so called laws are always bypassed in Fate, making them completely useless. Therefore it is a soft magic setting, pretending to be a hard magic setting.

And for all those people who says that not even the people inside the Fate series is still learning or discovering how magic works? And that they are still discovering things? Nothing more than an excuse to try and justify that it is still a Hard Magic setting. Magic has been studied for several thousand years in setting, they shouldn't be going around constantly exclaiming how the rules keep breaking.

If it is completely normal and expected to have the laws of magic broken, over and over, then you don't have a hard magic setting. You've got a soft magic setting, pretending to be hard magic.
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I mean, you're not wrong about the setting ultimately being a soft magic setting pretending to be sci-fi fantasy. But you are pretty wrong about the rules being worthless.

The people claiming rules are typically one or two tiers above a complete mundane at best on the power scale and come with the major asterisk that magic is getting weaker at a noticeable and alarming rate.

They're claiming what is generally accepted as true, not what is a law of the universe/rule of the setting. Also, yes, a lot of characters just straight up don't really know for a fact what they're talking about for various reasons.

In general rules hold true for most people of the speakers general power scale but can be proven false by entities of a sufficiently higher power scale because they do not operate under the same rules, or a specific individual exception where being the exception to that rule is typically that character's whole thing. Just because an exception exists doesn't mean everyone else can do it.

At this point though the setting itself has no hard rules yes. Except possibly that, somehow, someway, it's probably ultimately the alien's fault. And that there's a 50/50 chance that any given male historical figure will somehow be a woman.

But the rules do still matter within different weight classes so to speak.

But yes, ultimately it is a vaguely sci-fi soft magic setting that gets slightly harder the weaker you are. Like a cooked marshmallow with tron lines painted on it.
 
On a scale of Sanderson to JK Rowling, Nasu logic is a solid 7.5 at least.

There's definitely internal logic and consistency enough that you can say, "yeah this breaks all the rules I thought existed, but I can see how it makes sense, I think."
 
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Ok wasn't expecting Puss in Boots.

Still if we wanted something like Dreamworks Puss then he'd need to be a phantom that combines characters of Puss in Boots and Zoro.

So he's probably not gonna be spinning around with a rapier screaming "Fear me! If you dare~"
 
So a thing to remember is that this Master Kitten is talking trickster not a fighter att all (Fate power up not withstanding). He did manage to talk his way to make his owner a king just with words and owning a pair of fancy shoes. But I do not remember him actually fighting anyone in the book?
 
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