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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

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Man I love this arc.

I had seriously expected London to be kind of dreary but an important jump-of point for later developments.
Instead the character interactions have been phenomenal, and the whole thing just has this consistently interesting atmosphere.
I think it might partially be because the the limitations and curveballs everyone has been dealing with are coming across as being quite natural and logical. Okeanos had to deal with some obvious rails because of canon unfortunatly.
Or maybe because the character growth of everyone involved has moved away from subtext and is now fully on display?

And maybe it's my inner fanboy wanting Taylor's maternal side to come back to the surface, or for Jackie to have a bit of a happy ending for once, rather then for thematic reasons, but I really like those two connecting as well.
 
Played through London recently on FGO, and I realized something: Taylor might not even be at the Steam Generator (who name I can't hope to spell right now). Regardless of almost anything, right round it the steam will be at it's absolute thickest, no matter what time of day. Taylor simply will not be able to approach it. Meaning that closing this Singularity will be entirely up to the Twins.

This would be good character development for them, while also keeping her away from 'Solomon' thus avoiding any meta knowledge he might have about Taylor. He'll just see the Twins and thing they're the only ones mucking around. Or that the third wheel is so weak to be held back by this simple poisonous fog, not realizing that there's actually a Beast Candidate lurking around, more then willing to murder him if possible.
 
Deviox said:
This would be good character development for them, while also keeping her away from 'Solomon' thus avoiding any meta knowledge he might have about Taylor. He'll just see the Twins and thing they're the only ones mucking around
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I'd argue that Taylor not being around is the perfect time for him to reveal her true nature as a Beast Candidate since she can't say anything to the contrary.
 
Deviox said:
He'll just see the Twins and thing they're the only ones mucking around.
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Are you really underestimating 'Solomon' that much?

He certainly knows and wouldn't care that much, i also don't think that a Beast Taylor would be able to threathen his plan in a significant way. (Merlin and Fou are also themselves and i didn't see 'Solomon' worry because they were there)
 
Deviox said:
He'll just see the Twins and thing they're the only ones mucking around. Or that the third wheel is so weak to be held back by this simple poisonous fog, not realizing that there's actually a Beast Candidate lurking around, more then willing to murder him if possible.
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'Solomon's clairvoyance would mean that on both accounts you'd be wrong. That said, it is important to remember that in FGO, Beast I is responsible for the manifestation of every other beast. Even Beast Nero, who does her thing in the FGO Arcade timeline, only got her idea due to Solomon.

So in keeping with the theme, 'Solomon' would be the one to instigate Taylor's Beast candidacy.
 
Notspecialdude said:
'Solomon's clairvoyance would mean that on both accounts you'd be wrong. That said, it is important to remember that in FGO, Beast I is responsible for the manifestation of every other beast. Even Beast Nero, who does her thing in the FGO Arcade timeline, only got her idea due to Solomon.

So in keeping with the theme, 'Solomon' would be the one to instigate Taylor's Beast candidacy.
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Wasn't it already said her advent would have been if QA hadn't listened to Taylor and had tried to take over after scion died so people wouldn't screw up leading anymore but since QA did listen to Taylor even when she didn't have to they didn't become one? How do you connect beast 1 to that unless you want to add him to the pile of thinkers who manipulated Taylor and shoved her down that path.
 
famfrit said:
Wasn't it already said her advent would have been if QA hadn't listened to Taylor and had tried to take over after scion died so people wouldn't screw up leading anymore but since QA did listen to Taylor even when she didn't have to they didn't become one? How do you connect beast 1 to that unless you want to add him to the pile of thinkers who manipulated Taylor and shoved her down that path.
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Note that I said, manifestation, not advent. She hasn't manifested yet. But chekhov's gun is a thing, and if y'all are gonna keep harping on her Beast candidacy, then it needs to be said that she'll become a Threat against Humanity as a result of Solomon's actions.

Kinda curious what Grand Servant will be summoned against Taylor thinking about it.
 
Notspecialdude said:
Note that I said, manifestation, not advent. She hasn't manifested yet. But chekhov's gun is a thing, and if y'all are gonna keep harping on her Beast candidacy, then it needs to be said that she'll become a Threat against Humanity as a result of Solomon's actions.

Kinda curious what Grand Servant will be summoned against Taylor thinking about it.
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She can become a Beast, not will. Fou is also a candidate and he sure as hell hasn't become a Beast.
 
I have a Theory about the Temple of Time for this fic. In Fate GO's game the trash heap, Andromalius, is held back by servants from events and a few others. But that doesn't make sense for Hereafter as, with the exception of Edmond Dantes and the Chateau, none have shown up.

And based on the teaser... it seems that the Twins don't know about Bet in Babylonia.

So, if Parahuman Servants show up, I think this is where they will. Answering specifically Taylor's call and helping Chaldea to stop Andromalius.

And honestly, if that's the point they show up for the first time, I'm fine with that. A good climactic moment.

I say first as I don't know if our Author here plans to do Lostbelts.
 
crabbmanboi said:
I have a Theory about the Temple of Time for this fic. In Fate GO's game the trash heap, Andromalius, is held back by servants from events and a few others. But that doesn't make sense for Hereafter as, with the exception of Edmond Dantes and the Chateau, none have shown up.

And based on the teaser... it seems that the Twins don't know about Bet in Babylonia.

So, if Parahuman Servants show up, I think this is where they will. Answering specifically Taylor's call and helping Chaldea to stop Andromalius.

And honestly, if that's the point they show up for the first time, I'm fine with that. A good climactic moment.
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Except... Will they?

I got the impression that they really HATED being controlled by Taylor. One of the few details of Ward I agreed with was the fact that all the Parahumans that survived GM collectively decided to hide her existence and fear even mentioning her name. Like she would return if they said it.

All the Servants that were summoned at the temple were there because they forged a contract with Chaldea's Master. That was the only reason they COULD be summoned at all.

That said, I don't disagree, I feel those Parahuman Servants will show up here. But AFTER a Parahuman themed microsingularity. To let Taylor move on from her past.
 
Notspecialdude said:
Except... Will they?

I got the impression that they really HATED being controlled by Taylor. One of the few details of Ward I agreed with was the fact that all the Parahumans that survived GM collectively decided to hide her existence and fear even mentioning her name. Like she would return if they said it.

All the Servants that were summoned at the temple were there because they forged a contract with Chaldea's Master. That was the only reason they COULD be summoned at all.

That said, I don't disagree, I feel those Parahuman Servants will show up here. But AFTER a Parahuman themed microsingularity. To let Taylor move on from her past.
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Honestly, probably. But it wasn't really a contract, and more a connection. Like... both Medb and Cu alter showed up, as did Artoria Lancer Alter.

We know something is coming from the teaser though, just not what.

I've been working on an omake and parahuman servants as well, so maybe I can share them in a few weeks. Maybe less.
 
"Manners, Jackie."

It wasn't just Jackie, it was the whole table that stopped to turn and stare at me, with the exception of Fran and Arash. I tried not to pay them and their stares any mind as I set my own silverware down and reached over to correct her, because now that I said something, I had to commit to the motherly act.

In for a penny, in for a pound. Ironically, this was probably the most appropriate place to use that expression, and yet, Jekyll might not even recognize it if I said it out loud.

"Eat slowly," I told her as I adjusted her grip on her fork. "Make sure you chew it all properly. That way, you can enjoy it for longer. Savor it."
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Scene: Much later, Ritsuka talking to the Chaldea therapist.

Ritsuka: And it's right around that time that I realized I didn't just have a crush on my superior.

Ritsuka: I had a dommy mommy fetish.

Kiara: :: furiously takes notes ::
 
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crabbmanboi said:
Honestly, probably. But it wasn't really a contract, and more a connection. Like... both Medb and Cu alter showed up, as did Artoria Lancer Alter.

We know something is coming from the teaser though, just not what.

I've been working on an omake and parahuman servants as well, so maybe I can share them in a few weeks. Maybe less.
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I think the problem there is if if assume from the sake of argument capes can become servants just which capes actually have the fame to be servants, would help and be worth anything. It's really not a long list because scion would be tainted by gm, Vikare happens to be most well known for dying to a guy with a baseball bat, Alexandria got internally revealed as RCB and publicly painted as a long time ziz bomb and Dragon is incapable of ever achieving anything so what does that leave Legend, Hero, Chevalier, Mryddin, Eidolon and Narwhal at most but as Sect pointed out the remaining public probably doesn't look too fondly on Chev, Legend and Narwhal.
 
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famfrit said:
I think the problem there is if if assume from the sake of argument capes can become servants just which capes actually have the fame to be servants, would help and be worth anything. It's really not a long list because scion would be tainted by gm, Vikare happens to be most well known for dying to a guy with a baseball bat, Alexandria got internally revealed as RCB and publicly painted as a long time ziz bomb and Dragon is incapable of ever achieving anything so what does that leave Legend, Hero, Chevalier, Mryddin, Eidolon and Narwhal at most.
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Defiant, Golem, Jack and others.

Not to mention, your forgetting combined spirits are a thing. Spirits thar cannot manifest on their own due to difficulty, but are combined with others to create something approximating the original with benefits from the others. Like Nemo for instance.

So, as long as there is potential there, realistically many Parahuman Servants could be combined spirits. Or just Foreigner class servants.

Your also forgetting we know that Parahumans can become Servants. Contessa didn't just describe Taylor's servant form as a Servant but as a particularly strong one. Sure, she accomplished something great, but there is a trend in Fate of more modern servants being weaker due to the evaporation of mystery.

It's pretty obvious IMO that mystery is stronger on Earth Bet, likely due to capes being a public thing making more people believe in the supernatural.

And I can definitely explain why Golem and Defiant are on the list if you want, and Jack should be obvious.

Edit: not to mention, most of the people on the list u gave aren't people Taylor would care about. Glastig, Narwhal, eidolon, Chevalier? They were aquantinces at best. The main reason for having parahumsn servants is to emotionally impact taylor. Having people she barely knew be the ones that show up....there's no impact. None. It would be a waste of words unless James D Fawkes chose to give taylor time to know them. If it isn't the people she's been bringing up and being reminded of over the course of her journey, the people she needs closure on, why put them in at all? If the parahuman characters serve no purpose but to be firepower, then I'd rather they not show up.
 
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famfrit said:
I think the problem there is if if assume from the sake of argument capes can become servants just which capes actually have the fame to be servants, would help and be worth anything. It's really not a long list because scion would be tainted by gm, Vikare happens to be most well known for dying to a guy with a baseball bat, Alexandria got internally revealed as RCB and publicly painted as a long time ziz bomb and Dragon is incapable of ever achieving anything so what does that leave Legend, Hero, Chevalier, Mryddin, Eidolon and Narwhal at most but as Sect pointed out the remaining public probably doesn't look too fondly on Chev, Legend and Narwhal.
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How do Alexandria and Scion not qualify? Or Dragon? Like, they might not be able to make it due to being 'present day', but that would just disqualify all Parahumans, not Scion and Alexandria specifically.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
How do Alexandria and Scion not qualify? Or Dragon? Like, they might not be able to make it due to being 'present day', but that would just disqualify all Parahumans, not Scion and Alexandria specifically.
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I covered them specifically Dragon never does anything useful so doesn't count as worth anything and the other two aren't going to count as heroes with how they ended plus scion falls under won't help.
 
famfrit said:
I covered them specifically Dragon never does anything useful so doesn't count as worth anything and the other two aren't going to count as heroes with how they ended plus scion falls under won't help.
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You do realize that heroism doesn't matter to the throne? Jack the ripper has been romping around for ages.

Not to mention, we are assuming whose on the throne is consistent.

Sasaki Kojiro is a phantom spirit, one of the more famous samurai of japan, but Calamaity Jane, Billy the Kid and Anne and Bonney are full Heroic spirits? The Voyager space prove is not only a heroic spirit, but a little boy? An AI from an alternate dimension is multiple Heroic spirits?

Magical girls and cowboy Ishtar are Heroic spirits?

Heck, in this fic, I haven't heard of more than half of the fan made servants James Fawkes has added.

None of these make proper sense, nor is there a true throughline.

The real qualifier for a Heroic spirit is if it serves the plot and creates an interesting story.

That's what having Parahuman Servants show up that challenge Taylor's growth do. They would create an interesting story.

That's all the reason that is needed. It tells a good story.
 
crabbmanboi said:
You do realize that heroism doesn't matter to the throne? Jack the ripper has been romping around for ages.

Not to mention, we are assuming whose on the throne is consistent.

Sasaki Kojiro is a phantom spirit, one of the more famous samurai of japan, but Calamaity Jane, Billy the Kid and Anne and Bonney are full Heroic spirits? The Voyager space prove is not only a heroic spirit, but a little boy? An AI from an alternate dimension is multiple Heroic spirits?

Magical girls and cowboy Ishtar are Heroic spirits?

Heck, in this fic, I haven't heard of more than half of the fan made servants James Fawkes has added.

None of these make proper sense, nor is there a true throughline.

The real qualifier for a Heroic spirit is if it serves the plot and creates an interesting story.

That's what having Parahuman Servants show up that challenge Taylor's growth do. They would create an interesting story.

That's all the reason that is needed. It tells a good story.
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You're talking about showing up at the end of part 1 tho so they need to want to show up Jack Slash for example or Siberian probably have the fame if we assume any of them do but wouldn't show up same with scion and could easily apply to Alexandria too given the effects of the Ziz bomb claim. I would add in general you also really shouldn't judge things by Chaldea's system since it's looser and has more exceptions allowing for things like the magical girls which from what I've heard aren't normal servants in the throne.
 
famfrit said:
I covered them specifically Dragon never does anything useful so doesn't count as worth anything and the other two aren't going to count as heroes with how they ended plus scion falls under won't help.
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They're all really well known though and that's literally the only requirement for being on the Throne (and even that's shaky). The fact they might not help Taylor and co. is irrelevant as to whether they could become Servants.

crabbmanboi said:
Sasaki Kojiro is a phantom spirit, one of the more famous samurai of japan
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In Fate, Kojiro doesn't exist, but the story is so famous that the Throne grabbed the closest possible person, who is the phantom.
 
famfrit said:
You're talking about showing up at the end of part 1 tho so they need to want to show up Jack Slash for example or Siberian probably have the fame if we assume any of them do but wouldn't show up same with scion and could easily apply to Alexandria too given the effects of the Ziz bomb claim. I would add in general you also really shouldn't judge things by Chaldea's system since it's looser and has more exceptions allowing for things like the magical girls which from what I've heard aren't normal servants in the throne.
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Still, my point stands, what is and isn't able to be summoned and is on the throne is for from consistent.
 
Notspecialdude said:
Except... Will they?

I got the impression that they really HATED being controlled by Taylor. One of the few details of Ward I agreed with was the fact that all the Parahumans that survived GM collectively decided to hide her existence and fear even mentioning her name. Like she would return if they said it.

All the Servants that were summoned at the temple were there because they forged a contract with Chaldea's Master. That was the only reason they COULD be summoned at all.

That said, I don't disagree, I feel those Parahuman Servants will show up here. But AFTER a Parahuman themed microsingularity. To let Taylor move on from her past.
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I think its less hatred and more fear of her and what she represented.
They were essentially denying that Gold Morning happened and what it took to win.
 
veekie said:
I think its less hatred and more fear of her and what she represented.
They were essentially denying that Gold Morning happened and what it took to win.
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Either way, they wouldn't WANT to be summoned by Taylor. Which is why Taylor would never summon a Parahuman Servants Naturally since the Master Servant contract would be just a step below what she did to them.

So for them to show up in Chaldea's final fight against Solomon, she would need to earn it first.
 
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