Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

Every time Alice shows up in a story I really want to like her but all she ever does is one-sidedly attack people then complain they're not playing by the rules as if they've ever agreed to play or even been told the rule.
Not nearly as much daughteru potential as Jackie, is what I'm getting at. Just a brat to be punted.
I remember an FGO fic long ago where kid Gudako was the last Master of Humanity and her primary Servants were Nursery Rhyme and Arash. Nursery's powers were particularly in focus on that story since her Master was a child and it was amazing. I can't find it anymore though and it's a shame.
 
He forgot his own name?
The Nameless Forest does not discriminate in who it targets. I think in one of the early events it affected Ritsuka despite being NR's master. It's why it's never used.

Edit: Found it. It was the first Valentine event in FGO. Nursery Rhyme was mad because Jackie kept ghosting her tea parties so she made chocolate men out of all the valentines chocolate to have tea with. When Ritsuka came to her to ask for the chocolate back, she activated her NP and Ritsuka forgot why he was there and started to just have tea with her. Shakespeare had to shake him out of it. It's played for laughs here, but my point does stand. Here's the script with the scene in question.
 
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Minor pet peave that Taylor (a Hero from an alternate earth) when encountering hero's that don't match what she knows from history and legends, doesn't ever seem to consider that they may also be from alternate earth's or timelines before throwing out recorded history.

I get the reason why she'll think of more niche figures in history before the more famous ones. Sometimes the answer is so obvious it seems like a trick question. But her not taking in the potential for a servant (that seems wildly different from what's recorded) not actually being part of the history of either of the earth's she knows seems weird.

Like Joan of arc has brown hair in our history
 
Minor pet peave that Taylor (a Hero from an alternate earth) when encountering hero's that don't match what she knows from history and legends, doesn't ever seem to consider that they may also be from alternate earth's or timelines before throwing out recorded history.

I get the reason why she'll think of more niche figures in history before the more famous ones. Sometimes the answer is so obvious it seems like a trick question. But her not taking in the potential for a servant (that seems wildly different from what's recorded) not actually being part of the history of either of the earth's she knows seems weird.

Like Joan of arc has brown hair in our history
I mean King Arthur, Emperor Nero, and Francis Drake were all women. If a Servant is wildly different from what history says they were well history hasn't exactly had a good track record of being right.
 
Fate Joan is actually inhabiting someone else's body, because of stuff in Apocrypha.

I think her having that appearance, and people recognizing her in the Orleans Singularity is a plot hole.
Not really, we have seen Jeanne before her death and she has mostly the same appearance.

Edit: Not to mention that Laeticia is described as being "ideally close" to Jeanne as a vessel. Laeticia appearance also slightly changed when Jeanne possesed her so that Jeanne would look like herself and Laeticia returned to normal when Jeanne left.
 
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I mean King Arthur, Emperor Nero, and Francis Drake were all women. If a Servant is wildly different from what history says they were well history hasn't exactly had a good track record of being right.
That's exactly what I'm arguing about. Why would someone from alternate earth assume that a female king Arthur or Francis Drake is always female across all earths and not just acknowledge it as a fellow alternate from a different earth and history??

Like I'll accept that fgo world history is exceedingly sexist to the point of erasing womanhood from historical figures even when they're tits out. But Taylor is from Bet, so she's already internalized the existence of multiple earth's with divergent histories. There's no reason she'd contextualize Female Nero as the one and only version of Nero.
 
Wel, it appears Fou has decided to be the bigger... person here. Probably mostly for Mash's sake, but I wonder if this is going to make Taylor examine her instinctive revulsion a bat.
And the master getting caught in the effect does sound like to most reasonable explanation for breaking stealth, especialy with the amount of hostile Servants around. Someone with enough skill in magecraft to both supply a servant and a rather potent veiling spell simultaniously.
Incidently, why was NR hostile in-game again?
 
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I will never let go of my "opposing beasts" grudge theory for Taylor and Fou. But it's nice that he took the hit for her, maybe this could lead to Taylor not fantazing about drowning him.

Probably not.
 
I will never let go of my "opposing beasts" grudge theory for Taylor and Fou. But it's nice that he took the hit for her, maybe this could lead to Taylor not fantazing about drowning him.

Probably not.

It's not a bad idea, but given IV has 'nature' as a key word per Tunguska, I don't think Taylor's quasi-foreigner status would really fit there. Even with bugs it's a weird fit.
 
That's exactly what I'm arguing about. Why would someone from alternate earth assume that a female king Arthur or Francis Drake is always female across all earths and not just acknowledge it as a fellow alternate from a different earth and history??

Like I'll accept that fgo world history is exceedingly sexist to the point of erasing womanhood from historical figures even when they're tits out. But Taylor is from Bet, so she's already internalized the existence of multiple earth's with divergent histories. There's no reason she'd contextualize Female Nero as the one and only version of Nero.
Because what's the simpler explanation, "History got it wrong" or "This historical/mythological figure is a multiversally and temporally displaced R63 that also has replaced the proper version as what we'd pull from a summoning ritual?"
Musashi is an outlier not the norm.
 
Because what's the simpler explanation, "History got it wrong" or "This historical/mythological figure is a multiversally and temporally displaced R63 that also has replaced the proper version as what we'd pull from a summoning ritual?"
Musashi is an outlier not the norm.
Like I'd agree with you, but Taylor is literally from a divergent timeline. That's going to be in her lived experience.

Human history was immolated, and (I think?) it effected all earth's with humans that didn't have strong enough countermeasures. Summoning is already in a loosey goosey state of drawing on people who's past and future may or may not have happened/ will happen.
 
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It's not a bad idea, but given IV has 'nature' as a key word per Tunguska, I don't think Taylor's quasi-foreigner status would really fit there. Even with bugs it's a weird fit.
You never know with Fate. It could be the inverse of nature, or the natural "human" order vs the outside/ un-natural in Scion. Or maybe Gaia just didn't have any other options.

Think about it. If the world couldn't call upon heroes or the moon lit world what else could it do but create a Beast to defend itself.
 
Like I'd agree with you, but Taylor is literally from a divergent timeline. That's going to be in her lived experience.

Human history was immolated, and (I think?) it effected all earth's with humans that didn't have strong enough countermeasures. Summoning is already in a loosey goosey state of drawing on people who's past and future may or may not have happened/ will happen.
Her lived experience is that she's an outlier. Like what happened to her took breaking the rules of an alien god's infrastructure to achieve, and following that she was given years of training by a person who made it abundantly clear how abnormal her circumstances are.
Summoned Servants can come from different timelines. She knows this because Waver openly admits his history doesn't cleanly line up with Chaldea's and Singularity F just straight up never happened in FGO's history, but R63 historical figures like Nero are acknowledged to be the actual historical figure by people native to the era and region, and some summoned heroes are also corroborated as authentic by other heroes familiar with them. EMIYA, Waver, Mordred, Lancelot, and Galahad (if he'd ever decide to willingly contribute to anything) would all corroborate that the King Arthur of Singularity F was definitely their King Arthur (albeit corrupted), or at least indistinguishably similar to their own. If wildy inaccurate depictions a Servant or historical figure are happening then they have a weirdly consistant sameness across the multiverse.

Tldr: Her lived experience is "I'm not normal," and her observed experience is "History is very bad at keeping accurate records."
 
I love it in this story when Taylor's experience is what allows her to overcome issues the twins didn't/couldn't as quickly. Also good on Fou saving Tay from an anti-woman NP.
 
My bugs stung and bit and buzzed and swarmed, and none of it did anything at all to the girl, who continued on like nothing was happening. They couldn't even find purchase in her flesh.
Will Taylor start going for the eyes, ears and mouth again? like, Taylor's focus was never doing damage via bug bites, it was distraction through pain and bugs in uncomfortable places, as well as confusion via swarming tactics and harassing people's senses and using string to tie them up if possible.

There's no point in biting a brute, so why do only that? even being extremely tough and whatnot isn't gonna stop the gag reflex from bugs in the mouth, the instinctual desire to blink if something comes for the eyes or panicking at something crawling into your ears etc. Taylor has experience with this very thing against brutes, and even earlier in this story with Medusa, being tough doesn't stop instinct. For a comparatively slow'ish servant like Alice, she's actually able to touch her with the bugs, so why isn't she even trying to do her actual specialty? she's not using her bugs for much, no bug clones to hide amongst, no making string to sense the airflow with spiders, no placing bugs on everyone in her range to follow movement etc. i don't expect her to succeed or accomplish much with it, these are servants after all, but she could at least shift tactics with her bugs from 'bite the brute ineffectively' to 'distract/harass the brute while another brute takes advantage' as is usually her strategy when facing a brute
 
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Pretty sure unless she's using phantasmal bugs their ability to even interact with a Servant depends on the Servant staying materialized anyway.
 
Will Taylor start going for the eyes, ears and mouth again? like, Taylor's focus was never doing damage via bug bites, it was distraction through pain and bugs in uncomfortable places, as well as confusion via swarming tactics and harassing people's senses and using string to tie them up if possible.

There's no point in biting a brute, so why do only that? even being extremely tough and whatnot isn't gonna stop the gag reflex from bugs in the mouth, the instinctual desire to blink if something comes for the eyes or panicking at something crawling into your ears etc. Taylor has experience with this very thing against brutes, and even earlier in this story with Medusa, being tough doesn't stop instinct. For a comparatively slow'ish servant like Alice, she's actually able to touch her with the bugs, so why isn't she even trying to do her actual specialty? she's not using her bugs for much, no bug clones to hide amongst, no making string to sense the airflow with spiders, no placing bugs on everyone in her range to follow movement etc. i don't expect her to succeed or accomplish much with it, these are servants after all, but she could at least shift tactics with her bugs from 'bite the brute ineffectively' to 'distract/harras the brute while another brute takes advantage' as is usually her strategy when facing a brute

Yeah, this sometimes gets frustrating... I'm very happy we've finally started getting action again instead of "Taylor has to sit around and be frustrated due contrived plot points", but she's not using her ability to the fullest, and unlike when she was back on Bet fighting fellow humans, there is no reason she should be holding back. Unless a servant goes spirit form (which means they can't do anything else) or has some sort of effect that physically eliminates anything touching them (like Berserker Vlad when she tried to swarm him in Orleans), they may be immune to mundane damage, but Taylor should still be making sure they're blind, deaf and effectively gagged while the damage dealers do their thing.

I reached out, fumbling for the thread I could feel, the thing the dark-haired archer must have used a minute ago to contact me, and I pushed every bit of my singular thought down it: Call my name!

Halfway through preparing another barrage of arrows, he stopped, eyes flitting over in my direction. Whatever he thought of my Hail Mary play, he didn't let on, and without arguing or hesitating, he opened his mouth and said, "Taylor Hebert!"

And like a film had been removed from my brain, everything cleared. The memory I'd been grasping for a moment ago — of Herakles, storming through everything we'd thrown at him, of Lung, fleshing bubbling as his wounds healed and his body grew, of a great golden man shrugging off everything thrown his way — clicked back into place. The familiarity of that feeling, of slowly losing myself and forgetting the names of my friends, twisted up my stomach, becoming something black and furious.

This was good, Taylor finally doing her quick thinking.

"Fou!"

A pair of tiny feet slammed into my side like a freight train, and by the time I registered the blow, I was already flying out of the way. My body tumbled across the grass, my vision flipping and rotating between the greenery, the tree canopy, the sky, and the ground, but through my bugs, I could watch as Jackie's knife made contact, catching the little gremlin midair.

Blood splattered, splashing a red smear across the grass, and Fou went flying, too, looking like nothing so much as a particularly furry baseball as he soared off into the bushes and disappeared from view.

The idea that the thing could be killed so easily was somehow strangely disappointing.

Welp, I did not see that coming. Hope he survives to continue annoying Taylor.

Alice tilted her head curiously. "You wouldn't?"

I pointed unerringly towards the mysterious man, and as I did, I pulled up my more visible swarm, a writhing mass of flies and mosquitoes and wasps, and had them all fly about, gathering like a cloud around the patch of forest where her "Papa" had been hiding.

The man stilled, eyes darting about, and then visibly calmed himself, taking deep, slow breaths, and for an instant, I almost lost track of him again. It was like he very nearly blended into the scenery.

But Huginn was there, and Huginn did not blink. Whatever spell he was using did not make him invisible.

"Unless you don't care what happens to your Papa, that is."

As I said earlier, no reason to hold back. Get 'em, Taylor.
 
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