Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

No, okay, I'm gonna break my promise just this once. Taylor considers saving Marie to be more important than saving the Earth multiverse. Because she's her most important friend, I'm sure.
To be fair that's pretty consistent. The only reason Earth Bet and Co still stand is because Taylor was friends with Undersiders. If not for them she would have either decided to not do anything in the end or agreed with QA to conquer the multiverse.

I imagine it wasn't just Taylor having a Headache but QA too suffering one from crab saying "nope"
Highly doubtful. QA is like a thousand times older than the crab and a couple billion times larger. She is also experienced in wrangling billions of her siblings. It's almost certainly a bandwidth issue.
 
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Im a tad confused about the crab. I mean, sure, its 2000+ years old, but its going against Queen Administrator. Sure its old, but its going against a continent-sized god computer that not only burns more energy than the global electrical production on a daily basis, but one that is older than it.
 
Im a tad confused about the crab. I mean, sure, its 2000+ years old, but its going against Queen Administrator. Sure its old, but its going against a continent-sized god computer that not only burns more energy than the global electrical production on a daily basis, but one that is older than it.

Taylor isn't. Even if she's a Demi-Servant, which is a big if, she's from a divergent timeline that has next to nothing to do with this branch of Human History with next to no one here being aware of her legend. Her Mystery is nonexistent, and her brain isn't big enough to allow QA to crawl out of it and leverage all the power of a continent-sized supercomputer on steroids.

Narratively, Taylor's helplessness against most threats she meets is meant to have her overcome her trauma of mind controlling and throwing people at Scion by genuinely cooperating with others and learning to utilise this mysterious and inexplicable power of trust and friendship.

clearly that means the only answer to this predicament is to summon Amy and have her dig around Taylor's brain once again
 
clearly that means the only answer to this predicament is to summon Amy and have her dig around Taylor's brain once again
God, imagine if Chaldea somehow managed to summon Lung.

Rika : "So... how do you two know each other?"
Lung/Taylor, simultaneously : "She rotted my dick off."/"He cut my arm off."
Rika : "Wut?"
Both : ""We got better.""
 
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Taylor isn't. Even if she's a Demi-Servant, which is a big if, she's from a divergent timeline that has next to nothing to do with this branch of Human History with next to no one here being aware of her legend. Her Mystery is nonexistent, and her brain isn't big enough to allow QA to crawl out of it and leverage all the power of a continent-sized supercomputer on steroids.

Narratively, Taylor's helplessness against most threats she meets is meant to have her overcome her trauma of mind controlling and throwing people at Scion by genuinely cooperating with others and learning to utilise this mysterious and inexplicable power of trust and friendship.

clearly that means the only answer to this predicament is to summon Amy and have her dig around Taylor's brain once again
Amy: "Why would I ever do something that stupid for you ever ag-"
OG Seibah: *Is summoned*
Rika: "Woo! 5 Stars!"
Amy: "Hphhhh... nope. No. Close, but n-"
MHXX: *Is summoned*
Ritsuka: "Why do so many Servants have the same face?"
Amy: "God damnit. Ok. Fine. I'll do it, but I'm bunking with her. That's my price."
 
Highly doubtful. QA is like a thousand times older than the crab and a couple billion times larger. She is also experienced in wrangling billions of her siblings. It's almost certainly a bandwidth issue.
Not that you're wrong, but you guys are forgetting a key detail. This isn't QA. It's Servant QA. It's easy to forget, due to how much an upgrade a Servant is compared to us squishy humans, but Servants of non-humans and Age of God Heroes are typically weaker compared to when they were alive. There are countless examples, but the easiest is Servant Fairy Queen Morgan who herself states in her final Ascension:
"Finally, I feel at ease.
This is but a mere third of my original power, but...
No matter.
I acknowledge your efforts, Master. "
QA is probably handicapped severely due to being in a normal Servant Container. In terms of Hardware, it'd be like moving from a Supercomputer to a CAD laptop. It can probably do everything Taylor can normally do, but is severely limited outside of the skillset Skitter/Weaver had.
 
--- tha fuq? When and where it has been stated that it is a Servant QA instead of Original Generation Best Shard having reconnected with her Best Host?
All the way back in Fuyuki. Taylor tries to summon something and the summon apparently 'fails.' Only to discover later that her powers came back inexplicably. Plus in the Halloween sidestory, her powers are affected in the same way that Servants are due to the villain of that arc trying to prevent Servant interference.
 
Not that you're wrong, but you guys are forgetting a key detail. This isn't QA. It's Servant QA.

Has the author confirmed that this is the case? As far as I'm aware of, the author has not provided any type of confirmation as to how Taylor got her powers back. I know that it is implied that Taylor got her power back because of her failed(?) first summoning attempt. But I do find it very interesting that Taylor didn't get her actual powers back until the second singularity. And considering every single singularity had bugs for Taylor to control, makes it really hard to believe that there was zero bugs in Fuyuki/First Singularity. Plus, DaVinci and Romani didn't discover QA/Servant Taylor until during/after the second singularity. And the complete lack of magic in the bug control

I double checked the information threadmark and I didn't see anything confirming this. Maybe I missed something but I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be an important plot point for the future.

But right now, you're making an assumption that Taylor has her powers because of Servant QA. And everyone should know what assuming makes out of people.

And even then, why is QA a servant? Why is it on the throne of heroes? I personally highly doubt there is a servant QA in the throne of heroes. It is more likely for it to be a servant Taylor. Whether that is Skitter, Weaver, Khepri, or a combination of the three.

So, until the author has confirmed the Servant Taylor is why Taylor has her power back, this is all just a guess. It is not hard fact. If it is hard fact, please provide the post from the author to confirm this.

Until it is hard fact, it is nothing more than a guess. A hypothesis. And there are enough reasons why that I'm not willing to say it is Servant Taylor. I'll accept it if the author says it is and explains the holes that are keeping me from believing in it.
 
That's fair, but the same is true in reverse. Taylor didn't have her powers for the 2 years she was in Chaldea prior to the beginning of the story. And the failed Servant summoning in Fuyuki does need an explanation. Fuyuki was completely incinerated so there being no insects there is plausible and Chaldea is in the Artic. So them discovering it during Orleans was also logical.

And as for QA being summonable? Yeah, it's possible. Most Foreigner Servants are basically in a similar set up. "—Those who wield power drawn from outside human boundaries. Entities from different dimensions that are foreign to human comprehension.—" That's QA in a nutshell. She'd be summoned with a Taylor body and her third ascension she'd drop the act and talk as itself.

That said, I made an assumption based on the facts before me and the fact that Taylor/QA CAN be summoned as a Servant in some fashion. I'll hold this opinion until I get direct evidence against it, but you are right.
 
Even though QA is perfectly capable of controlling shards when it's working at 100%, it was deliberately crippled before it was handed out for human use, so it wasn't at 100% when it was giving Taylor her powers during Worm, and it presumably still isn't at 100%.

QA's ability to control shards when it's part of an entity has nothing to do with whether it can control these crabs when it has a human host.
 
I was thinking Taylor wound up with a Demiservant of herself, which meant that while she COULD ramp up, she'd start losing her humanity like Khepri did since thats what happened in her own legend.

"It really was something," said Mash. "Who knew that a Phantasmal of that rank was still around here in this Singularity?"

"A shame there wasn't anything usable left of it," Aífe added. "I might have been able to work with a mystery that ancient."

"I think the Director might have had a fit if you brought any of it back," Da Vinci whispered conspiratorially.
I was wincing every time they were cracking its shell >.>
 
That said, I made an assumption based on the facts before me and the fact that Taylor/QA CAN be summoned as a Servant in some fashion. I'll hold this opinion until I get direct evidence against it, but you are right.

Sorry, but unless the author says otherwise (and the Informational links on who is the Servant of who and why Tay got Arash as a Servant do not list QA as a Servant anywhere) we can safely assume instead that QA was able to reconnect with Taylor when she did a proper Rayshift instead of the Emergency Ones to and from Singularity F.
 
Taylor isn't. Even if she's a Demi-Servant, which is a big if, she's from a divergent timeline that has next to nothing to do with this branch of Human History with next to no one here being aware of her legend. Her Mystery is nonexistent, and her brain isn't big enough to allow QA to crawl out of it and leverage all the power of a continent-sized supercomputer on steroids.
But Taylor isnt doing that though? The Parahumans use the powers, but the Shard does the thing. Taylor's own Mystery is irrelevant because its not her doing the Mastering, its the alien god computer. I'd get it if it was a Servant Taylor with a Personal Skill or NP failing, but when QA is the one doing it, some random crab being able to shrug off QA's influence just seems cheap?

Actually no, it makes sense if a non-Jailbroken Taylor's Corona cant let through enough bandwidth for QA to control this crab. Im just wondering why she was so affected? It wasnt even the crab being intelligent and leveraging the sympathetic connection between them like I could see a Caster or Demon God doing, it was just an instinctive reaction from the crab being so stronk. Even disregarding that, the fact that Taylor feels dysphoria is just flat-out a what.

The crab resisting QA makes sense now that you've pointed out the bandwidth issue, and I can see the way that Taylor feels like she's supposed to have more limbs than she should if its a matter of her swarm sense letting her feel the crab and its metaphysical importance brushing everything else aside, but the dysphoria? Taylor feels more familiar in the body of an insect than her own, not the other way around. This is what she feels constantly from every single insect she controls, due to her 2nd Trigger. Hell, this sort of dep awareness of their bodies was what cause her to 2nd Trigger in the first place, which explicitly lets her feel this and operate her human body at the same time.
 
But Taylor isnt doing that though? The Parahumans use the powers, but the Shard does the thing. Taylor's own Mystery is irrelevant because its not her doing the Mastering, its the alien god computer. I'd get it if it was a Servant Taylor with a Personal Skill or NP failing, but when QA is the one doing it, some random crab being able to shrug off QA's influence just seems cheap?

Actually no, it makes sense if a non-Jailbroken Taylor's Corona cant let through enough bandwidth for QA to control this crab. Im just wondering why she was so affected? It wasnt even the crab being intelligent and leveraging the sympathetic connection between them like I could see a Caster or Demon God doing, it was just an instinctive reaction from the crab being so stronk. Even disregarding that, the fact that Taylor feels dysphoria is just flat-out a what.

The crab resisting QA makes sense now that you've pointed out the bandwidth issue, and I can see the way that Taylor feels like she's supposed to have more limbs than she should if its a matter of her swarm sense letting her feel the crab and its metaphysical importance brushing everything else aside, but the dysphoria? Taylor feels more familiar in the body of an insect than her own, not the other way around. This is what she feels constantly from every single insect she controls, due to her 2nd Trigger. Hell, this sort of dep awareness of their bodies was what cause her to 2nd Trigger in the first place, which explicitly lets her feel this and operate her human body at the same time.
My take on it is that QA was largely working as intended, but when it hooked Taylor up to the Patriarch Crab he was such a greater existance that he overwhelmed her own personal sense of self.
It's not like Taylor hasn't ever been fed overwhelming feedback from her swarm before. Amy engineered exactly that during the bank robbery.
 
That said, I made an assumption based on the facts before me and the fact that Taylor/QA CAN be summoned as a Servant in some fashion. I'll hold this opinion until I get direct evidence against it, but you are right.
It's canon to the story, that Taylor ALREADY on Throne of Heroes. It just Servant Taylor would not be on this story as character.
You can save this girl's life, and you will gain the staunchest ally you can imagine in your mission to preserve mankind, as powerful a Master as there ever was.
...
Or you can save her body and use it as a catalyst to summon the Heroic Spirit she has left behind.
 
I'm mildly disappointed in Rika.

They got through an entire battle with a giant enemy crab and she didn't say anything about attacking its weak point for massive damage.
 
The moral of the crab event: don't underestimate phantasmals of the millennial rank. Especially seabound phantasmals. With the ocean being such a mystery to modern man, there be some incredibly scary beasts that may even have survived to the current era, and those things would be quite frightening indeed.

Remember, Nasu has said that Moby Dick is a Divine Beast that's more like a superweapon than a living creature. The depths of the ocean may as well be an alien world, as far as mankind in Nasuverse is concerned.
 
She was a very attractive woman wearing a very sexy swimsuit, and it flattered every part of her, including her backside, and frankly, I was a little jealous of exactly how good she looked.
taylor, tay tay, please, stahp, you're breaking marie's heart
"I'm surprised you haven't picked up a vice like that yet," he said. "If for no other reason than to deal with the stress of doing a job this big and important."
if i recall, it's actually his magic focus, like, some magi use wands, others use staffs, waver uses a cigar. in all honestly, i see no reason why he shouldn't be able to use it in chaldea, anyone can just magic away the smoke, assuming it's actual smoke and not just the visual byproduct of him doing magic with it
That's true. But Makiri Zolgen (He wasn't Zouken at this point.) was the Demon Pillar for London which IS old enough to shrug off Taylor.
makiri's soul is still in his body at this point tho isn't it? if he had spread his soul throughout his swarm then i could maybe buy it, but as is, crest worms are litteraly the weakest phantasmals you can get, weaker than the hermit crabs by far, taylor should have no issue taking control, issue is mostly just maintaining it, as she has been shown to have issues fighting over control, if zolgen gives them a new command, they'll follow that command until she tells them to stop, meaning it just becomes a tug of war, one that taylor has historically done badly in, granted that's cause usually the tug of war is her trying to complicated strategy and the other side is just spamming 'attack' repeatedly, so their commands get through more often than hers. also like, the demon pillar isn't connected directly to the bugs is it? just to zolgen, that's at least some degree of seperation
 
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taylor, tay tay, please, stahp, you're breaking marie's heart

if i recall, it's actually his magic focus, like, some magi use wands, others use staffs, waver uses a cigar. in all honestly, i see no reason why he shouldn't be able to use it in chaldea, anyone can just magic away the smoke, assuming it's actual smoke and not just the visual byproduct of him doing magic with it

makiri's soul is still in his body at this point tho isn't it? if he had spread his soul throughout his swarm then i could maybe buy it, but as is, crest worms are litteraly the weakest phantasmals you can get, weaker than the hermit crabs by far, taylor should have no issue taking control, issue is mostly just maintaining it, as she has been shown to have issues fighting over control, if zolgen gives them a new command, they'll follow that command until she tells them to stop, meaning it just becomes a tug of war, one that taylor has historically done badly in, granted that's cause usually the tug of war is her trying to complicated strategy and the other side is just spamming 'attack' repeatedly, so their commands get through more often than hers. also like, the demon pillar isn't connected directly to the bugs is it? just to zolgen, that's at least some degree of seperation
Amy was just introducing junk feedback through modified bugs until Taylor couldn't function through all the proverbial junk noise in her head.
Breed's creations weren't bugs to her power so she never had any control of them.
Same with Echidna's cloned bugs.
Taylor's Echidna clone had her power too and was doing what you said, countermanding her at spam rate.
Leet's bug box was built based off observing Skitter and her power, and was emitting a constant swarm signal that instantly countermanded anything Taylor ordered.
Blue Empress' powers (Master (Parahumans): Yes+++) made her extremely resistant to Khepri, but it is noted that similar powers tend to make their users resistant to similar effects, pyrokinetics tend to resist heat, emotion/mind/body controllers resist human Mastering and manipulation, Thinkers tend to disrupt each other's mental bullshit, etc, and Taylor got her locked down before she could leverage herself free.
GU eventually managed to use a ghost to shift the yoke of Taylor's power off her and onto the ghost.
I'm not sure how appropriate it is to say Taylor would struggle in a tug-o-swarm against Zolgen given that the only things she's ever struggled against are variations of herself and other Bullest-of-Shits powers from utterly cracked Shards. Especially when one realizes that the effectiveness of powers in Worm are less of a question "how does this work?" and more the Shard asking "Hey, DM, is it ok if I?" and then having to roll a pursuasion check against the other Shards involved. Generally speaking so long as it's something reasonably within the Shard's wheelhouse the question isn't "can the Shard do it?" but rather "will the Shard do it."
Strictly speaking I highly doubt that crab had any ability to stop QA from coming down on it like the fist of God, but QA was probably like "Huh? Neat. Definitely recording this." and let it do its thing. So vs Zolgen it's probably more of the same, what's QA more interested in? What rules and definitions has it set for itself? How willing is it to bend them for Taylor?
 
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Ahhhh. The age old tradition of Servant volleyball getting completely out of hand.
And of course it wouldn't be their first summer vacation without a giant enemy crab fight. Good on Jalter for going for the DoT effect that ignores its silly high defense stat.
 
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