It's very much up in the air. That said, we're likely to get a MUCH earlier introduction to the Foreigner Class if my guess is good.
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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
- Thread starter James D. Fawkes
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- Crossover
Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
Wait does the knife still have its original conceptual history? If so then I want to see Emiya's pov when her first sees it.
The sheer constipation Taylor would had on that tbh will be hilarious to see. Though I think she would not pass a chance to train with other Servants like canonical my Fujimaru learnt ninjutsu from Kotarou and all that.
Though experiencing the general weirdness of well... Everything like Saber Wars or Halloween will be a sight to see XD.
I Think its the case of pressurized energy scenario, we know that other worldlines don't have visible effects of the incineration but the possibility Goetia only focused on highly specific parallel worlds and concentrate the energies there and when he finishes his Incineration the sheer pressurized energy would blast away from all defenses and boundaries to literally torch the Human Order to cinders might be the closest explanation of his plan alongside why no visible evidence was seen like in Strange Fake where Ishtar perceived FGO when she snatched Guggalana.
As Deviox said, Foreigner Servants have not been active and met by Chaldea at this time so them possibly out of the equation is there, but there's a lot of Servants who could pull a similar or more outrageous stunts based on that particular narrative.
... I mean ignoring Kyohime being blatantly hinted that she tracked down Guda from the Singularity to Chaldea, there's Mama Raikou who can literally summon herself back after dying through sheer mother instincts and more.
Rem
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I don't know the exact overlap between FGO and Worm's multiple inhabited spatial dimensions, but the King's goals involved the Incineration of the Human Order, which notably doesn't occur when a single timeline hits a dead-end and gets pruned.
I think it's safe to assume the King will try to Incinerate any human population he can perceive, and his perception is quite good for spoiler reasons.
i dunno if her knife by the end is her nano thorn knife, but she used her knife on scion in the cauldron base when they went there, and didn't really loose it after that from what we see so i'm entirely on board with that.
Regarding the All of Humanity Gets Incinerated vs No Really All of Humanity Gets Incinerated discussion, I'm of the opinion that it's the former and not the latter. We know from WoG that GO can only happen in timelines that Lev doesn't intentionally confuse a live grenade for his lunch. That becomes a pretty irrelevant distinction if GO still happens to Tsukihime because in GO's timeline Lev called the prevention hotline instead. And speaking of Tsukihime, the number of timelines in which his plan would've been better suited are numerous. So if it didn't actually matter what timeline he did it in Goetia probably wouldn't have utilized a world where humanity is strong enough to summon champions of human history, and a literal organization for the preservation of humanity is prepping for him with those champions. Do it in a timeline with DAAs and it doesn't matter if Chaldea can Rayshift to it because they have no Heroes to work with besides maybe a Grand if a Beast is present or the living versions in the past.
Then for a crossover specific reason, Worm happened. The Entities scoped Earth out pretty thoroughly before deciding it was an appropriate Petri dish for their next experiment. They would've passed on Earth if Goetia's plot was something they couldn't deal with, and would've proactively dealt with it if they could because incinerating the experiment before completing it is disruptive. And quite frankly the Entities are laughably ahead of mere Beasts of Humanity. Zion vs Goetia would be a more fair match (though I think it still probably favors Zion), but The Warrior and The Thinker vs Goetia is a complete Stomp.
Then for a crossover specific reason, Worm happened. The Entities scoped Earth out pretty thoroughly before deciding it was an appropriate Petri dish for their next experiment. They would've passed on Earth if Goetia's plot was something they couldn't deal with, and would've proactively dealt with it if they could because incinerating the experiment before completing it is disruptive. And quite frankly the Entities are laughably ahead of mere Beasts of Humanity. Zion vs Goetia would be a more fair match (though I think it still probably favors Zion), but The Warrior and The Thinker vs Goetia is a complete Stomp.
Nitramy
Love! Snow! Really Magic
- Location
- Home of Our Lady of Peace and Good Voyage
No, make it so that Taylor's the only one who can understand Fou's speech, but can't get anyone to believe her when she shares it to another.
Cassandra problem, to pair with her best-compatible Servant's liar paradox.
- Location
- Yaroslavl, Russia
An excellent chapter, was a pleasure to read this one right after the previous.
P.S Line about Archer's 'sexy voice' made me wonder, how would Taylor's voice sound in game.
P.S Line about Archer's 'sexy voice' made me wonder, how would Taylor's voice sound in game.
- Location
- Germany
A calm and collected contralto, propably.
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Nitramy
Love! Snow! Really Magic
- Location
- Home of Our Lady of Peace and Good Voyage
Fun thought exercise: which seiyuu is the best fit for Taylor?
James D. Fawkes
Court Scribe
- Location
- Avalon (Isle of Mists)
I'd argue that the little details are the most important. They make or break a story. You remember the broad strokes. The little details stand out more every time you reread something.
As for Pepe... I do believe he was an unfortunate casualty of the fact I was writing this story before I played LB4. In fact, I'm decently sure this chapter was written before LB4. He hasn't gotten a mention precisely because I didn't know his character well enough to say anything about it, at the time.
After Essence, I can't help imagining Taylor as voiced by Mary Elizabeth McGlynn (Kusanagi Motoko [GITS], Julia [Cowboy Bebop], etc).
TimeDiver
Herald of Dis Lev
- Location
- In-between the parallel worlds...
Off the top of my head: Miyuki Sawashiro (Mordred's) or Saori Hayami (Martha's).
I don't pay attention to the dubs, so I couldn't name any appropriate NA voice actors.
- Location
- Somewhere
Breather chapters, but much needed ones setting up the team dynamics and exploring relationships. Also introduce us to best mom, and it's good to see Taylor recognizes he shouldn't be held responsible for what a blackened version of him did.
And poor Emiya realizes Cu is coming soon. Those two are practically destined to clash.
Regarding Lev only succeeding in the GO timeline, that's the thing about Geotia's plan: It only needs to succeed in one timeline to screw them all. Think of timelines like a tree branching from an origin point. Geotia basically worked himself backwards from a branch to the root and lit the whole thing on fire.
Further evidence is in part 2, where the Alien God uses alternate timelines to create their lostbelts. Considering part of why Geotia burned the world is to stop them, it would be pointless if the AG could just go to another timeline.
And poor Emiya realizes Cu is coming soon. Those two are practically destined to clash.
Human order means all of Humanity, including parallel timelines.
Regarding Lev only succeeding in the GO timeline, that's the thing about Geotia's plan: It only needs to succeed in one timeline to screw them all. Think of timelines like a tree branching from an origin point. Geotia basically worked himself backwards from a branch to the root and lit the whole thing on fire.
Further evidence is in part 2, where the Alien God uses alternate timelines to create their lostbelts. Considering part of why Geotia burned the world is to stop them, it would be pointless if the AG could just go to another timeline.
Blinktwice13
Underpaid Struggle Bus Attendant
- Location
- Eastern US
- Pronouns
- He/Him
That makes sense. Between 4 and 6, he's probably got the best development of any of the Crypters excepting Wodime. His backstory is heartbreaking, his showmanship is great, and though I am furious at the conclusion Nasu had for him I can't deny it tracked with his character. He wasn't a good person, but he was ultimately a kind one to those he cared for.
Writing for the Crypters varies, but Pepe's was on point start to finish.
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No, not really. Human Order means human logic affecting reality, a.k.a. The reason why there is reality and there is the Reverse Side of the World. Basically if reality is defined by humanity, that universe has a Human Order. Earths Bet and Aleph and other such worlds that never had a Gaia or Alaya or Reverse Side or anything like that don't have a Human Order, they just Are. There is no Order for goetia to incinerate, in order to incinerate worlds like that he would need to ACTUALLY time travel in those worlds and manually burn them down with bigatons instead of the Fate history fuckery that actually happens in GO. They aren't alternate timelines of the same base world, they are different worlds unconnected altogether save for cosmic coincidence in matter formation and interaction.
- Location
- Philippines
To put my own thoughts regarding the subjects here. I think when Goetia incinerated the world, he incinirated all humanity, or if not it won't matter anyways since if I understand it right he'll go to the genesis of Earth billions of years ago and basically retgone regular humans and replace humanity with his own "humans" erasing the old humanity that somehow didn't get incinerated via time paradox.
My issue with this is that it would mean Goetia only managed to pull the trigger in one, ONE, timeline. Out of the at least some odd number * 10^80 universes in this crossover if we were to assume only the barest fraction of a percent had a human history to be destroyed that could still be easily be heptillions of Earths. Heptillions of Earths that can and do have some widely divergent histories as per Worm and Nasuverse Canon. And an Alien infestation that would've stopped Goetia's plot in its tracks.
Why derail the French history in which mankind can summon Heroes to correct the deviation with? Go derail Tsukihime's Hundred Years War! The Dead Apostles and True Ancestors aren't going to give a shit about it, and humanity won't be able to do anything about it. Tsukihime doesn't have a Chaldea to correct their borked French history, and GO's Chaldea certainly didn't do it (nor could they).
And for that matter how does derailing the Hundred Years War in any way derail the history of an Earth and humanity that never had a France to begin with? Unless the Shards are sustaining an ungodly number of Divergence Lostbelts the Parahumans multiverse has a number of alternate Earths and humanities that are completely immune to Goetia's plan from the start. And even then his plan is pretty fucked because those Lostbelts would be replacement Human Histories after he Incinerated the PHH.
Then there's the issue of Zion being on Earth when History got torched. He could pimp slap AAS into the Sun at full power as The Warrior, and he would ruin the entire plan on approach to Earth or never go to Earth in the first place.
The Human Incineration Plan and Worm simply cannot co-exist if it truly destroys all humanity ever.
TimeDiver
Herald of Dis Lev
- Location
- In-between the parallel worlds...
*sees all the recent posts*
...this is why I headcanon that Cauldron was assuming that Scion/Zion's rampage would affect all ~10^80 alternate Earths, while the number may have been considerably smaller; Word of Wildbow be damned.
...this is why I headcanon that Cauldron was assuming that Scion/Zion's rampage would affect all ~10^80 alternate Earths, while the number may have been considerably smaller; Word of Wildbow be damned.
Uhhh actually they would, as much as DAs and TAs act like not giving a shit to humanity, they still need humanity for sustenance and by their original design, rule them so they would definitely act.
Someone already pointed above that for targeting the lynch pins or turning points in history that Goetia plans to retcon humanity from creation itself with his own ideas, true, he would had not torched the Lostbelts or Pruned worlds, but in retrospect given he would had become the sole ruler of the tree so to say it is a much better pick than some limited resource worlds and with his skillset and 'reward' that would gain from such an incident, he could prevent the disaster that is the AG's plans especially when he have time from genesis itself to prepare on making countermeasures.
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- Masculine
You know... that dagger.
That dagger killed a god. Or as good as. And was used to save the lives of countless living beings and ended a being that had killed quadrillions+ in the past.
And Da Vinci augmented it and turned it into a mystic code in its own right.
The conceptual WEIGHT of that weapon...
...god I can't wait for Emiya to see it and get his usual Structural Analysis. Dude will know everything about it and how it was used and what it was used on and more. Instantly.
But that knife?
That weapon is a weapon that could probably kill anything that they're going to be fighting just by the nature of being what it is. It could be an obsidian shard and not amazing tinkertech... but that weapon is going to be able to do a LOT by the very rules of Fate.
I'm not saying its going to be ranked up there with Ea or Excalibur... but that knife is a fucking Godslayer.
That dagger killed a god. Or as good as. And was used to save the lives of countless living beings and ended a being that had killed quadrillions+ in the past.
And Da Vinci augmented it and turned it into a mystic code in its own right.
The conceptual WEIGHT of that weapon...
...god I can't wait for Emiya to see it and get his usual Structural Analysis. Dude will know everything about it and how it was used and what it was used on and more. Instantly.
But that knife?
That weapon is a weapon that could probably kill anything that they're going to be fighting just by the nature of being what it is. It could be an obsidian shard and not amazing tinkertech... but that weapon is going to be able to do a LOT by the very rules of Fate.
I'm not saying its going to be ranked up there with Ea or Excalibur... but that knife is a fucking Godslayer.
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Their
Hm... I wonder if Servant!Taylor would have a Personal Skill related to it? Maybe not a Noble Phantasm, but if there's a Noble Phantasm that would qualify it's bearer for the Assassin Class, then something so direct after all the misdirection required to bring down Scion might just work. It's an interesting thought.
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
- Location
- definitely the ground
- Pronouns
- They/Them/It
What is it with Taylor's hype squad always calling Scion a god?
Please explain to me how this dagger was responsible for Scion's death? The weapon that killed Scion is either Sting, or the fuck-off tinker cannon that destroyed his actual body depending on interpretation, possibly both. That dagger? You might as well say that the boot she was wearing should be a god-killing mystic code.