Oh for sure, I'm not saying Taylor must necessarily figure out the right answer, but she has so little information to go on that, at least going by the way that section is written, confidently assuming that Romani hero worships King Solomon is just kind of nonsense. Like I said earlier, it's fine if it's a random guess, but her internal monologue phrases this assumption in a manner that has Taylor appearing far more confident in this guess than she should be.
Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
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Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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Taylor confidently assuming things given faulty information sure has never happened before.
More seriously, it kinda meshes with character flaws Taylor has, but it could also be a flaw in the writing. Doesn't break my suspense of disbelief, but I'm not you.
Kinda wonder how the modern mages even know about it when they can't perform it and have no available evidence of it ever existing. Their library must be really dope for them to confidently say something like "Yeah, resurrection was possible about three thousand years ago, but now it isn't."
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Uh, the wielder of the First Magic was the founder of a department at the Clock Tower. Plus, Zelretch is still alive and he actually witnessed most of this stuff first hand. Being immortal is handy like that/
Honestly, based on Taylor's past, it makes perfect sense for Romani to hero worship King Solomon. It is perfectly reasonable for people to hero worship fictional or historical people. Not counting how it was incredibly common for children in Earth Bet US to hero worship Protectorate heroes. And considering how some adults tend to hero worship celebrities (movie stars to politicians to businessmen) in the real world, it makes complete sense for Taylor to think this is just another case of hero worship.
Zedman7054
Eternally 3rd
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Ah yes, because Romani being Solomon is a just as likely assumption to be made as a man working for a magical organization respecting the man literally known as the King of Mages.
Now, I get what you're saying, that Tayor makes assumptions kind of haphazardly and just goes with them, something we saw most recently with the assumption about Dantes. But it has payed off in the past, and when she is shown proof that's she's been wrong she doesn't really focus on her false beliefs and moves on with the new truth.
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Taylor's projecting her own biases and experiences about finding out the people you admired were monsters
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To be fair, it didn't exactly remain a secret in canon either. Da Vinci figured out some time after the 6th singularity, and a lot of Servants, especially the clairvoyant ones, figured it out pretty quick. The catch is that everyone, correctly, kept it to themselves.
No joke, but Romani's secret is or should be the CLIMAX to Taylor's arc here. Because it asks her to do something that is almost impossible for her. Trust an Authority figure that's keeping a secret from her.
fishsicles
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Yeah - Romani's secret is pretty much a mirror of everything that went wrong for her the first time around. Solomon's good intentions aren't going to buy him much credit with Taylor, considering the number of people with Good Intentions™ she's dealt with. Even the most charitable comparison she could leap to is Legend - ignorant but complicit - and however unwittingly, Romani's far more individually responsible for Goetia's wrongs than Legend was for Cauldron's.
I expect we'll see a pretty key shift in the Taylor-Marie dynamic once it comes out as well, since it will also parallel how Lev is still haunting the latter.
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Denial of Nothingness being First Magic is fanon.
Denial of nothingness was just brought up as one of the "things Magic can do". There is currently no significant hint about what First Magic is.
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
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I didn't say anything about it being the First Magic. Just that the concept of Denial of Nothingness would be enough to freak Taylor out.
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It's worse than that. Romani's secret is vital for their success. Goetia was watching Chaldea the entire time, and did nothing because he deemed them not a threat. And his assessment was based on his Clairvoyance which let him see the past and future. If at any point he thought Chaldea was a threat, he would have pulled it into his temple like he did at the end of the 7th singularity and destroyed them. IMMEDIATELY. And he considers Solomon to be a threat ALWAYS. Which is why he waited for his death to initiate his plan. (And also why he did not watch the grail war. To avoid Solomon's eye.)
If Taylor digs at this secret, she'll doom the world. And there is no In-character reason for her NOT to given her past experience. That's why it'd be the climax for her character.
James D. Fawkes
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The thing you have to remember is that Romani has consistently been digging his heels in about the idea that Solomon could be involved in this whole mess at all. Every time the idea of the Demon Gods being under Solomon's control comes up, Romani tries to deny it and say that it can't be possible. He's been stubbornly insistent about it, but hasn't tried to stop them from investigating it, so she has no reason to assume it's anything deeper than, "He hero worships King Solomon and doesn't want to believe his hero could do anything like this." That's familiar to her. Her heroes let her down one after the other in Worm.
But the idea that Romani was King Solomon during Marisbury's Holy Grail War who wished for the chance to become human so that he could have the opportunity to live his life as a normal man instead of the wise king he was in the myth? That's way too out of left field.
We, knowing FGO and how part 1 ends, can talk about how Romani is Solomon, but Taylor has no reason to think Romani is holding onto any secrets like that. She knows he has some, and she has a few questions about those secrets, but she's spent two years getting to know the bumbling but kind-hearted Romani Archaman. It might be a stretch to call them actual friends, but he's easily the person on the staff she knew best, next to Olga.
Of course, she might start questioning things a little more after a certain someone starts implanting suspicions in her head. But that guy isn't scheduled to show up until later.
But the idea that Romani was King Solomon during Marisbury's Holy Grail War who wished for the chance to become human so that he could have the opportunity to live his life as a normal man instead of the wise king he was in the myth? That's way too out of left field.
We, knowing FGO and how part 1 ends, can talk about how Romani is Solomon, but Taylor has no reason to think Romani is holding onto any secrets like that. She knows he has some, and she has a few questions about those secrets, but she's spent two years getting to know the bumbling but kind-hearted Romani Archaman. It might be a stretch to call them actual friends, but he's easily the person on the staff she knew best, next to Olga.
Of course, she might start questioning things a little more after a certain someone starts implanting suspicions in her head. But that guy isn't scheduled to show up until later.
Also, the idea of him being the person who was strong enough that he could take Daemons from Imaginary Space and forge them into gods as part 1 of a ritual is kinda silly. Like, she doesn't know that particular feat, but she knows how incredible Solomon is supposed to be, and doesn't have the context that it was all given to him. Roman has a solid understanding of magecraft in relation to health, and isn't a magi (he can renounce his wish to go back to being a heroic spirit, but until then his wish included not being a magi).
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Ah but isn't Taylor herself a great Hero/Villain/Monster now having a more mundane life? One she is learning to enjoy, were she mentors two young people and has basically adopted a daughter with her girlfriend?
"This may not be the life my younger self would have wished for, but this is my life now and I am actually mostly happy with it. So no, I am not tempted to change things with a wish... at least not for myself." Taylor then looked at Mash. "But even if is for someone I have come to see as a daughter... I won't sacrifice the fate of the world for a wish."
Taylor then chuckled. "And if you really knew me, you would know that. I already sacrificed myself to save the world, to save many worlds, and I know Mash would never put her life over everyone else!"
"This may not be the life my younger self would have wished for, but this is my life now and I am actually mostly happy with it. So no, I am not tempted to change things with a wish... at least not for myself." Taylor then looked at Mash. "But even if is for someone I have come to see as a daughter... I won't sacrifice the fate of the world for a wish."
Taylor then chuckled. "And if you really knew me, you would know that. I already sacrificed myself to save the world, to save many worlds, and I know Mash would never put her life over everyone else!"
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I personally don't think Taylor would figure out the truth anytime soon, but I do think she's being too quick to write it off as simply hero worship
Armsmaster and Alexandria.
She has to kill one of her heroes herself too.
Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
Can you think of an alternative conclusion she could come to? Because I'm having trouble coming up with one.
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Gosh Jalter is a riot.
Wait, maybe I shouldn't use that language around her, she's apt to actually start one.
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- Void
Minor correction, Goetia, and by extension the rest of the Pillars, can't actually see inside of the Chaldea faciality at any point during the incineration. I believe that was established during Salem and how the SHEBA system was meant as an unknown countermeasure for dealing with rogue Pillars, namely summoning the namesake Sheba, and Chaldea is not observable to Goetia/Pillars on purpose, to prevent the countermeasure's discovery.
So the only way, that I know of, that the Demon Collective would find out about Romani being Solomon is when one of the Masters does, following their deployment into a Singularity, and then the whole array of clairvoyant Pillars finds that information outside of the Chaldea bubble. While it isn't much better of a situation, Taylor learning said information isn't an instant-loss in of itself, just the potential prelude to one.
I don't believe Daemons/Demons were ever born from Imaginary Space, nor were the Pillars ever forged into gods, they're born from Human Ideations sure, but not from Human Faith. In other words, while Demons stem from a 'Sixth Imaginary Factor' connected to Humanity, it isn't clear at all if it is meant to be conflated with Imaginary Space itself.
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Awww and here I was hoping we'd get beastly women Nightingale who throws hands like an absolute savage.
True daemons live on a higher sphere and are likened to the outer gods though it is unclear if they are actually as strong though Kiara did nope out of there pretty fast despite how strong she was…
Demons (who are not true daemons and born from humanity) like the ones from the ars goetia can attain sth called a "unit designation" which is a fancy way of saying that they obtained sth like a gods authority like for example phenex and his governance of death and rebirth… demons who attain a unit designation are able to exist independently from humanity which is like we see in fgo a really bad thing…
Nightingale is a very strong nurse. And that's not even mentioning her absolutely cracked NP.
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Welp, looks like we're gonna see a Bad End after all.
Taylor knows best, so and anyone keeping a secret from her is a threat, especially anyone in authority is gonna be her justification.
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I think there was a discussion about this, and the author said this was probably where Taylor would stumble and fail alone.
In retrospect it would've probably been here what with the karma curse and all, but there works too.
Ariesthegolden
He who knows not how to ADHD, but is learning
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Hey which chapter does this come from? I don't remember and would like to reread the context of this.