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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

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I'd trust BB. She's a chaotic troll, but despite usually playing the villain, usually winds up sabotaging the real antagonist, while doing far more help than any harm.

The Void said:
even with a Grail on hand...you have to *know* on some level how to preform the Miracle,
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I don't think this is quite true, you don't need to know how it works, just what vaguely needs to be done. I can wish up a billion dollars, and I'd receive it however I expect I'd receive it, but I don't need to know the details of how it got to me, just the big picture. Likewise, knowing that Mash's soul has a deficiency in FoP is absolutely sufficient to wishcraft more with grails. Kiritsugu's wish failed because he had no sense at all of how it'd be achieved. Conversely, to knock a hole in the root with the grail doesn't require specific knowledge of how to do so, just the broad strokes (e.g. poke hole). Here, Mash just needs more FoP.

Besides, absolute worst case scenario, Mash stays with Ereshkigal for a while, since even bereft of Force of Providence she can live there until a permanent solution is made.
 
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Absolutely no one:

Me:
5000 words in one go! What's that? Make Chapter CXXIV: Little Drop of Peace the longest chapter in the story, too! Why not?

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"Vegeta! What's the scouter say about the word count?"

 
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Pieguy3693 said:
Shakespeare not wanting to watch the movie "because he knows the ending" is extremely suspicious, since Romeo and Juliet, among others, starts with a sonnet explaining the entire plot of the play. The question is, what's the reason for him making up such an obviously false excuse?
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Shakespeare is... unique. He's a massive shit disturber, especially to whoever winds up catching his eye as a prospective 'protagonist', which Taylor definitely did when she had him make Last Resort. Such an assessment is even scarily accurate from a meta perspective. He will do pretty much anything to spin a good story, so I wouldn't be surprise if he sabotages Chaldea at some point if it helps Taylor take centerstage, simply for the sake of a more compelling narrative, though likely not before wheedling Taylor down to tell him her story and enchanting more things.

Point being, he simply doesn't care about anyone unless they're special, unique, or protagonist-y enough.
 
Rajvik_wolfboy said:
It was a poorly built ship with an obvious flaw in then design that through negligence of the captain and the company sank, and unfortunately no amount of drama and lust paraded as romance can make that any different
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In retrospect, yes, there were areas of her design that contributed directly to the sinking and loss of life which could have been done better, but hindsight is always 20/20. Had any other ship in the world afloat at the time taken that kind of damage they almost certainly would have sunk even faster, it was just that catastrophic.

Ships had been sunk by icebergs before, but none approaching Titanic's size. It wasn't something they designed for, or even had enough information to design for. They knew the things were dangerous, but not that dangerous.
 
It should also be noted that given the conditions, the damage, the amount of crew, and the fact that no ship could possibly arrive until many hours after the ship sank, Titanic was special because so many of the passengers survived, the ship sank incredibly slowly (and evenly), and emerging technology and literacy at the time made it a huge global story with a lot of depth.

Compare that with the Empress of Ireland, and you'll see the difference.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
"And the perpetual debate about whether or not Jack could have fit on that slab of wood with Rose."
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I've never seen the movie, but I take it from this line that the male lead lets himself sink beneath the waves to keep the female lead from drowning. Given this, I for one will consider it a waste if Emiya and Rika don't have a subtext-filled argument about whether that was necessary:

R: She could have saved him!
E: It doesn't matter. He chose to die so that she could live, and that's on him alone.
 
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Bit left field, but it would be interesting if Taylor eventually summoned Jack. Everyone else sees the blade and thinks Jack the Ripper is appropriate for London, and sure there are signs this Servant isn't exactly true to theme, including the American accent.

However only Taylor is aware which Jack this truly is.

He also appears to know many things about the future beyond the incineration, thanks to being stuck in a time loop created by powers outside the Human Order.

She hates him and no longer fears him. He delights in antagonising her. Everyone else is just really fucking weirded out about how Taylor managed to murder a baby in front of Jack the Ripper when he was alive and before she even got access to Chaldean time travel tech.

Yes this entire thing was an Asterposting setup.
 
requiemforasalad said:
Bit left field, but it would be interesting if Taylor eventually summoned Jack. Everyone else sees the blade and thinks Jack the Ripper is appropriate for London, and sure there are signs this Servant isn't exactly true to theme, including the American accent.

However only Taylor is aware which Jack this truly is.
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Staph, now I can perfectly see Jacky boy being summoned and in the end returning from the singularity with two poppets, Jackie and Cursery both following him like puppies.
 
YoRHa_42s said:
Staph, now I can perfectly see Jacky boy being summoned and in the end returning from the singularity with two poppets, Jackie and Cursery both following him like puppies.
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Rits: So, uh, Ripper-san, why are they following you when they should've by all rights killed you?

Jack: What can I say? Distorsion of the Nine( Violent Driving Force) is one hell of a Noble Phantasm for a humble Caster such as myself.

Taylor: *too busy seething, coping and malding*
 
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Barghest Blue said:
Assuming that Taylor doesn't just use her Command Seals to force him to kill himself immediately upon summoning.
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That also assumes Taylor is his master and that he both makes it to the throne given the high bar for people from the modern day, the fact he doesn't actually die but gets stuck in a time bubble and that he meets a classes requirements. There is also the general repeating problem where gm happened as a much bigger deal especially due to all the problems after such as how so many people died during the first winter after it because there simply wasn't enough food and then everything that happens during Ward where Jack is hardly ever mentioned just in the harbringer clones internal thoughts and at one point people discuss how it was an unpowered person that took him down (people don't know he set of Scion because Scion got made to go away from Jack and he was in the bubble but Jack had broadcast so could transmit his trashy monologue and Scion was an absolute idiot who used thinker powers to ask is this a conclusion I could possibly come to on my own? Before just going along with it when the answer was obviously yes).
 
James D. Fawkes said:
The door whooshed open again. "Don't forget about the romance," Emiya said as he strode in, pushing a cart laden with cartons of popcorn. "And the perpetual debate about whether or not Jack could have fit on that slab of wood with Rose."
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Word of god from the creators of the film is that technically they could both have fit on it but their combined weight would have sunk it low enough that they would have been sitting in inches of freezing ocean water and gotten hypothermia and died. Drowning isn't the only or even main hazard in waters that cold.

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Ships had been sunk by icebergs before, but none approaching Titanic's size. It wasn't something they designed for, or even had enough information to design for. They knew the things were dangerous, but not that dangerous.
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It was, after all, the biggest ship ever built when it was made. Actually that was a real problem at the time, that advances in building were allowing them to make much bigger ships than ever before and they weren't used to what that meant. One of the Titanic's sister ships received major damage hitting a dock and then, instead of bouncing off like most of the ships that hit that dock, continuing forward because of all its weight and momentum, crushing parts of the ship's hull inward.
 
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Rajvik_wolfboy said:
In my book the two most damning things were not having enough life boats, and not completely filling the ones that they did have.
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To be fair on the lifeboat front, the expectation was that the ship would take long enough to sink for another ship to come render aid -- they were never going to be far from the main shipping lanes -- and the lifeboats would be used more to ferry people from one ship to the other than to hold the entire ship's capacity at once. That's part of what I was getting at: people talk about it taking two and a half hours to sink as a long time, but they were expecting it to take something like ten or twelve hours for a ship that size.

The actual evacuation was indeed a clusterfuck, though. Especially with how "women and children first" got re-interpreted as "women and children only."
 
Barghest Blue said:
Apparently a Japanese man got onto the lifeboats.

His family and the Japanese government officially apologized for him doing so and iirc he took his own life eventually
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Wow that's really fucked up, like I can understand the guy committing suicide a bit because survivor's guilt is a hell of a thing, but the government and his family apologizing for him doing what any human would do to try and survive is insane.
 
mythfan12 said:
Wow that's really fucked up, like I can understand the guy committing suicide a bit because survivor's guilt is a hell of a thing, but the government and his family apologizing for him doing what any human would do to try and survive is insane.
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Not really – remember, this was pre-WWII, so the Japanese government would have still been filled with heads-up-their-asses über-nationalists.
 
Pieguy3693 said:
Shakespeare not wanting to watch the movie "because he knows the ending" is extremely suspicious, since Romeo and Juliet, among others, starts with a sonnet explaining the entire plot of the play. The question is, what's the reason for him making up such an obviously false excuse?
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No clue, but he absolutely subscribes to the "Jack is a time traveler" theory.

There's a weird parallel between that theory and what Chaldea does now that I think about it.
 
It is your, you know.... This is the story that made me more than just idle interest in the Fate franchise and FGO in particular. It made even download that dammed timesink that is FGO.

And every time I find this story again it rekindle that interest :p:cry:

But thanks anyway for it it's a really great story
 
The17thImmortal said:
Not really – remember, this was pre-WWII, so the Japanese government would have still been filled with heads-up-their-asses über-nationalists.
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You kinda have your time periods mixed up there. The Titanic sunk in 1912 while the radicalization of the Japanese government didn't happen until the mid 1920s.
 
The17thImmortal said:
Not really – remember, this was pre-WWII, so the Japanese government would have still been filled with heads-up-their-asses über-nationalists.
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eh less the uber-nationalism issue and more a matter of personal honor, you have to understand that when the Titanic sank they were two, maybe three generations out of the Mejii revolution, and personal honor by their standards was still a very big thing.
 
Bugs said:
I've never seen the movie, but I take it from this line that the male lead lets himself sink beneath the waves to keep the female lead from drowning. Given this, I for one will consider it a waste if Emiya and Rika don't have a subtext-filled argument about whether that was necessary:

R: She could have saved him!
E: It doesn't matter. He chose to die so that she could live, and that's on him alone.
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It's actually been tested, and no she couldn't. Iirc they both could have fit, but it would've been impractically difficult in live conditions and wouldn't have been buoyant enough to keep them out of the water with both on it.
 
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