tgojeff
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Frankly, would Taylor herself count as a catalyst? From a certain point of view Khepri would be Amy's greatest, most powerful creation.
Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
- Thread starter James D. Fawkes
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Look if Rika can't remember to be awkward then thats it fixed. Who cares if there are other ways than a concussion, they obviously haven't been working or we wouldn't be talking about this.
Prof. Moriarity I pressume.
I feel like Mash's expiration date problem should have around a dozen easy, or at the very least not difficult, solutions considering the absolute menagerie of the Throne of Heroes in Chaldea. They have how many casters and healers again? Hell, Gilgamesh alone could fix that problem! Maybe even use one of the grails after they defeat Geotia?
From the sound of it it's more of a soul related issue which is a problem and as of yet they don't have the tools to fix it
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I would have thought a grail would solve the issue. However i suppose that if the issue isnt physical but caused by her own soul destroying her body its possible that fixing her body would just be a short term solution.
A Holy Grail by itself is not sufficient to "fix" Mash, You would need something on the level of a complete True Magic or one of the Beasts. Less than a handful of Servants can even do anything about it, and Gilgamesh isn't even guaranteed to be one of them.
The problem is that there's only so much a Human can take in the Nasuverse, so to ensure her soul could handle having a Heroic Spirit attached to it, they sacrificed her body's longevity. If they hadn't done that, her soul would be burning up from the inside out.
The problem is that there's only so much a Human can take in the Nasuverse, so to ensure her soul could handle having a Heroic Spirit attached to it, they sacrificed her body's longevity. If they hadn't done that, her soul would be burning up from the inside out.
You apparently missed the below section:
Making a new body won't fix anything because Mash's soul was experimented on.
Edit - Of course, this is all in terms of this story only. Not sure if the detail about the soul is in FGO canon.
James D. Fawkes
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It's essentially the same problem Illya ran into. A human being isn't meant to contain all of that power. The fact that Illya retained her physical form instead of transforming into an actual grail like Iri did speaks to how incredible the modifications to her were, but those modifications are also part of the reason she dies so young.
Even the Grails the team recovered have limitations. If you'll recall, Gilles himself said that his Grail failed to revive the real Jeanne, and what he got was his edgy fanfiction version instead.
The game doesn't give much in the way of details for this, only saying that, because of the way she was made and how engineered her genes are, her lifespan was always going to be short, just like a homunculus. Even giving her a new body won't fix this, because one of the things that happens when you move a soul into a puppet body the way Olga was is that the "blank" puppet body will morph and change to match the genetic data backed up in the soul. If you're not using a blank, then the process of creating a "new" body indistinguishable from the old enough to match perfectly would just leave you with the same problem. If you gained any time at all that way, it would be months at best.
Even the Grails the team recovered have limitations. If you'll recall, Gilles himself said that his Grail failed to revive the real Jeanne, and what he got was his edgy fanfiction version instead.
The game doesn't give much in the way of details for this, only saying that, because of the way she was made and how engineered her genes are, her lifespan was always going to be short, just like a homunculus. Even giving her a new body won't fix this, because one of the things that happens when you move a soul into a puppet body the way Olga was is that the "blank" puppet body will morph and change to match the genetic data backed up in the soul. If you're not using a blank, then the process of creating a "new" body indistinguishable from the old enough to match perfectly would just leave you with the same problem. If you gained any time at all that way, it would be months at best.
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About the next servant, I wouldn't rule out Helena Blavatsky, she was Holmes's lover and it could be her talking and comparing the masters with him
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That's different from canon. On the day they met, Romani told her flat out:
"Since you are a designer baby, your cells degrade quickly. Even if you were to properly upkeep your health, your lifespan is 18 years at most."
Other than that hiccup. The chapter was otherwise alright.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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Taylor, somehow missing the parallels between her and Mash hilariously.
Most ways of becoming something else aren't anywhere near what even a particularly radical magus would honestly call safe, and those other things are often dangerous, unpleasant, incomprehensible, or any combination of the prior. As of LB7 she's actually at risk of exceeding the limits of a demi-servant because of her continuous growth in power and becoming a full-on ghost liner. Or in other words, become a spirit (die).
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To clarify, Mash knows her lifespan is shorter than normal, but she doesn't quite know what all it entails. Romani has been putting that part off. To spare himself having to explain all of the things that are going to go wrong with her more so than spare her the knowledge of it.
To be frank, there are plenty of low-hanging solutions, albeit not with the current roster. Servants like Medea or Gilgamesh can undoubtedly solve the problem with ease. Remember, Medea is canonically on par with a true magician, and with divine words it would be easy as could be. Or, hell, if any Artoria was summoned and canon Shirou was summoned to trace Avalon it'd be an easy fix, albeit the low chances of that happening.
That's not to mention that Chaldea literally summons outright gods, and beings that control death/souls like Ereshkigal could do something. That's not even mentioning the gorillion grails they acquire that could probably fix it, since grails were created on wishcraft, which is capable of anything with sufficient mana, given they can rip a hole in the fucking Root. Fundamentally, it isn't a problem of fixing her body, which is replaceable, but fixing her soul. Wth the resources available, while it's tough to do so now, with many Servants it'd be easy to either extend her lifespan and find a better solution, or fix it entirely. Illya and Miyu both work too, with dress of heaven, wish-granting, and Ruby/Sapphire pulling a fix from parallel worlds all are ideas. Hell, Solomon/Romani might have some ideas himself, and has the motive to tell it, since he greatly cares for Mash.
The third true magic would definitely fix it with ease, but it's not needed. Soul-depth immortality, which is essentualy preventing the degredation of the soul is a dime-a-dozen for Servants, and precious materials and knowledge needed to do so are very much gatherable in singularities, since they're almost all in the Age of Heroes/Age of Gods, as do most of the Servants originate from those eras. In the AoGs there were basically no limits whatsoever in any magic, and yes, it was magic.
But yeah, modern magecraft won't help too much, barring very specific people.
Aside from that, here's hoping Taylor gets Zolgen's shit, the worlds get full lol-tier by Babylonia, and it seems they're starting to summon people that are just better at everything Taylor already does right now, making her even less useful in general, and likely relegating her to canon Ritsuka's role of just existing. If a baseline normal human Nero, an empress, can in a singularity grab her sword and exchange several blows with a top-tier Servant and use her NP, which happened not too long ago, so should Taylor be able to do something similar by the end of the entire Human Incineration Incident. I'd like at least one low/mid-tier Servant dealt with by her by then as a landmark for her growth. Maybe Shakespeare can make her some more stuff by telling him more of her past?
Aside from that, I'd generally like her past to come out at some point.
That's not to mention that Chaldea literally summons outright gods, and beings that control death/souls like Ereshkigal could do something. That's not even mentioning the gorillion grails they acquire that could probably fix it, since grails were created on wishcraft, which is capable of anything with sufficient mana, given they can rip a hole in the fucking Root. Fundamentally, it isn't a problem of fixing her body, which is replaceable, but fixing her soul. Wth the resources available, while it's tough to do so now, with many Servants it'd be easy to either extend her lifespan and find a better solution, or fix it entirely. Illya and Miyu both work too, with dress of heaven, wish-granting, and Ruby/Sapphire pulling a fix from parallel worlds all are ideas. Hell, Solomon/Romani might have some ideas himself, and has the motive to tell it, since he greatly cares for Mash.
The third true magic would definitely fix it with ease, but it's not needed. Soul-depth immortality, which is essentualy preventing the degredation of the soul is a dime-a-dozen for Servants, and precious materials and knowledge needed to do so are very much gatherable in singularities, since they're almost all in the Age of Heroes/Age of Gods, as do most of the Servants originate from those eras. In the AoGs there were basically no limits whatsoever in any magic, and yes, it was magic.
But yeah, modern magecraft won't help too much, barring very specific people.
Aside from that, here's hoping Taylor gets Zolgen's shit, the worlds get full lol-tier by Babylonia, and it seems they're starting to summon people that are just better at everything Taylor already does right now, making her even less useful in general, and likely relegating her to canon Ritsuka's role of just existing. If a baseline normal human Nero, an empress, can in a singularity grab her sword and exchange several blows with a top-tier Servant and use her NP, which happened not too long ago, so should Taylor be able to do something similar by the end of the entire Human Incineration Incident. I'd like at least one low/mid-tier Servant dealt with by her by then as a landmark for her growth. Maybe Shakespeare can make her some more stuff by telling him more of her past?
Aside from that, I'd generally like her past to come out at some point.
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About the only thing I can think of that they have access to that could maybe extend her life is for Siegfried to do what he did for Sieg and give her his heart.
Other than him they haven't even met anyone who could do anything about it yet, and I'm unsure if they ever will.
The thing is, there's technically nothing wrong with her, nothing's broken, there is nothing to fix, she just doesn't have the ability to live after she turns 18.
They would have to extend her life, which means immortality, which Heroic Spirits as a general rule just don't have. Even the gods don't have the ability to do anything for her in the Present Day when their Authority is weak.
Other than him they haven't even met anyone who could do anything about it yet, and I'm unsure if they ever will.
The thing is, there's technically nothing wrong with her, nothing's broken, there is nothing to fix, she just doesn't have the ability to live after she turns 18.
They would have to extend her life, which means immortality, which Heroic Spirits as a general rule just don't have. Even the gods don't have the ability to do anything for her in the Present Day when their Authority is weak.
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Shakespeare not wanting to watch the movie "because he knows the ending" is extremely suspicious, since Romeo and Juliet, among others, starts with a sonnet explaining the entire plot of the play. The question is, what's the reason for him making up such an obviously false excuse?
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I'm going to say this, while i have watched the movie, (mostly in bits and pieces over the years since its release) i have never enjoyed the movie. between the waste that was the accident itself, and the amount of money that went into the special effects to make the movie while playing to all the "legends" of the story itself, i just never liked it. It was a poorly built ship with an obvious flaw in then design that through negligence of the captain and the company sank, and unfortunately no amount of drama and lust paraded as romance can make that any different
Finagle007
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No Hell in Nasu. Marisbury went to Akasha, just like everyone else who's died since the Age of Gods ended who didn't get their soul destroyed somehow.
Oh, she is gonna blow a gasket when Daybit tells her exactly how far Marisbury was willing to go in pursuit of his goals.
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Isiri Pudireach
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From what I recall regarding Mash, beyond something ominous in the future will happen to her sometime during the Cosmos Arcs, her issue is a 'Force of Providence' one, namely Mash has a limited lifespan precisely because her Soul lacks that element. Presumably most of that 'Providence', I think in NA the term 'Fate' was used in the context of what the Black Barrel fires, was spent on hosting and emulating Galahad the Heroic Spirit.
I tend to think it was less a designed flaw perhaps, beyond just preventing a Demi-Servant to remain in the world, and more that Mash is using up literally her "Life's Luck" rapidly. And considering Fou's transplant to Mash, who is older with suggested much more left to live, only gave enough for a standard human lifespan suggests either Fou's conversion ratio really sucked, that Fou's existince only uses a little 'Providence' compared to a human being, or that Mash's Soul post Solomon is still rapidly eating away at that supply of 'Providence', enough to make Fou's loaned supply look small.
But regardless of which of the three is true, I doubt that it would be a simple issue to solve, because even with a Grail on hand...you have to *know* on some level how to preform the Miracle, to grant that collection of magical energy a directionality to manifest that outcome. And I don't think anyone in Chaldea really knows how to mess around with 'Providence'.
I tend to think it was less a designed flaw perhaps, beyond just preventing a Demi-Servant to remain in the world, and more that Mash is using up literally her "Life's Luck" rapidly. And considering Fou's transplant to Mash, who is older with suggested much more left to live, only gave enough for a standard human lifespan suggests either Fou's conversion ratio really sucked, that Fou's existince only uses a little 'Providence' compared to a human being, or that Mash's Soul post Solomon is still rapidly eating away at that supply of 'Providence', enough to make Fou's loaned supply look small.
But regardless of which of the three is true, I doubt that it would be a simple issue to solve, because even with a Grail on hand...you have to *know* on some level how to preform the Miracle, to grant that collection of magical energy a directionality to manifest that outcome. And I don't think anyone in Chaldea really knows how to mess around with 'Providence'.
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Entirely hypothetical to this discussion, the only servants I could see having even a remote chance of soul surgery are BB and Kiara, but in the incredibly rare chance they show up somehow, I doubt anyone would trust them near Mash. Plus there's also the fact that the skills for that largely reside in the Moon Cell where they have more control.