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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

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Vulpine Fury said:
My own problems with F-GO comes from the mood whiplash and what feels like cheating from using the summer event "charity" summon in the main storyline to advance Mash. I mean: Campy fun Summer "slice-of-life-ish" silliness versus *serious business* fate of all stuff. For example, Mozart's conversation with Mash towards the end of the Orleans singularity was very deep and meaningful versus the swimsuit Harem Comedy of the three summer events I've seen this year....
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... The events are usually just some fun. Though from time to time they're more serious.

Mood whiplash may be unfortunate, but given the subject matter of Human history being gone, it's a necessity so that things don't become too bogged down when not focusing on chapters.
 
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Vulpine Fury said:
My own problems with F-GO comes from the mood whiplash and what feels like cheating from using the summer event "charity" summon in the main storyline to advance Mash. I mean: Campy fun Summer "slice-of-life-ish" silliness versus *serious business* fate of all stuff. For example, Mozart's conversation with Mash towards the end of the Orleans singularity was very deep and meaningful versus the swimsuit Harem Comedy of the three summer events I've seen this year....
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I obviously cannot speak for your preferences, but I'm glad there's levity; some of my favorite events have been the not-serious-ones. If every event was yet another world ending threat with darkness, gloom, and suffering, I would soon stop caring about it. I'd just get fatigued.
 
Impstar said:
I obviously cannot speak for your preferences, but I'm glad there's levity; some of my favorite events have been the not-serious-ones. If every event was yet another world ending threat with darkness, gloom, and suffering, I would soon stop caring about it. I'd just get fatigued.
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Plus Summer 3 (Luluwaha) was a pretty serious freaking story. It is not really all fun and games. I dunno about others but for me it was pretty freaking depressing once one went past the surface level stuff. Hell even the first summer event was pretty freaking serious. Most of them are pretty serious, with the exceptions being Halloween, GudaGuda, and Valentines. Christmas 3 is another super serious example as it dealt with the fallout of Ritsuka's actions in Babylonia. Really the events are great. Some of them are a bit silly, but any good story needs to be able to balance the story between dark serious drama and light enjoyable comedy. The events are just that for FGO. Plus some are just as significant as any major Singularity or Lostbelt. KnK, Prison Tower, CCC, Ooku, and Case Files are all extremely important to the story.
 
The17thImmortal said:
And the first ever cohesive narrative of the Arthurian legends - that actually establishes the entire timeline from start to finish, as opposed to just focusing on individual adventures by the various Knights - was written in 1136 by Geoffrey of Monmouth.

What's your point?
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Admittedly, I was writing that with a large amount of sleep deprivation, but I remember what I was trying to convey.

I was trying to point out how if Lancelot is a 'fictional' character added later on to the Round Table mythos IRL, then Fate's Lancelot could be a myth-born Servant, calling into question the actual King Arthur timeline. Well, more than usual at least.

If Lancelot doesn't actually exist, at least in LB6, LB!Morgan could be Lady of The Lake without paradoxial conflicts.

That's it. That's what I was trying to write.

Lostbelts are separate to The Proper Way Things Are Supposed To Go (trademark pending) anyway, so I don't think it really matters.

And yes, I know that my entire theory is based on comparision of real life myth to a gacha game and thinking Nasu put enough brainpower into writing the script, but I was, again, not thinking straight.
 
SoulShdw said:
Even disregarding the whole Mordred thing, which is a whole other 'wtf', one of the biggest pieces about Guineivere in Arthurian myth was that merlin knew she would lead to the downfall of Arthur, and even beseeches Arthur to choose another bride.
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That might be true in Arthurian legend, but not true in Fate. In F/SN, we find out in the dream cycle that before Artoria drew Caliburn, he took her aside and explained that if she drew the sword, she wouldn't be human anymore. She'd be feared and hated and die all alone, he even showed her a vision of her fate.

What really got Shirou angry at this point was that even knowing her fate, she drew the sword anyway, since she saw people smiling and thought it couldn't be all bad, and he believed that people that sacrifice to help others should be proportionately rewarded with happiness.

In other words, Fate!Merlin knew Artoria was doomed from day one, so he wouldn't have fought against what became inevitable once she drew the sword.
 
James D. Fawkes said:
by Gold Morning, I was barely shy of eighteen
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Wasn't Taylor exactly eighteen when Gold Morning Started?

Isiri Pudireach said:
Another thing to consider when talking about Taylor's metaphysical weight, one of the theories for how Sherlock exits is that the worlds he gets born to all became lost belts, but Alaya saw him as too useful and had his story written out on other earths to make him still ascend to the throne. This could easily have been replicated by had in Wildbrow release Worm in other realities. Essentially OUR understanding of her has some overwrite of how she would be 'recorded' into reality and the throne. Also means one of the twins could have potentially read her story.
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James D. Fawkes said:
Now wouldn't that make for an interesting twist?
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The main issue with that is that if Alaya or Gaia could cull the worm timelines I have to assume they would have. As such spreading the story would have to do more with someone arranging a faith boost and making her more available than actually keeping her on the throne. There is also the fact that if it was the case, the twins would have to get the story sometime into the singularities for what has been published to make sense.
 
Goldenroot said:
Wasn't Taylor exactly eighteen when Gold Morning Started?
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According to the wiki Taylor was born June, 16th 1995, and Gold Morning happened between June 20th and June 24th, 2013.
Following this timeline, Taylor is just shy of 18. IIRC just before the S9k Tay was talking about how she got to join the Protectorate.
 
Goldenroot said:
The main issue with that is that if Alaya or Gaia could cull the worm timelines I have to assume they would have.
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Would Gaia or Alaya need to prune the Timeline, I mean either the timeline solves itself or it self prunes. The most I could think of them doing is empowering a champion, using the counter force, or summoning a Grand servant... or can they not be summoned to fight types only Beasts
 
James D. Fawkes said:
It feels a little weird not to post an update again this weekend.
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I mean nothing is stopping you from posting, so if you want to post the next chapter go right ahead. I'd be all for it, but we can wait till next week if you want to keep to your schedule. Like I and others have said keeping to a schedule helps prevent burnout, so if you feel the need to do that, do that.

Flamerai said:
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My prevailing Head Canon when it comes to things like this is that the Wormverse, or whatever setting you want to apply it to, is so far away in terms of dimensions that some of the fundamental rules are just different or nonexistent. So no Gaia or Alaya, no Quantum Time Locks, no Pruning Theoretical Phenomenon. Those things just wouldn't apply to Bet. By the same token it would allow someone like EMIYA the ability to trace weapons that could last indefinitely on Bet.

Or in other words, don't look too hard at the workings of such crossovers unless the Fic itself brings them up.
 
I always liked hiw some cross fics go with the entities locking the realities down, preventing Gaia or Alaya from doing anything to stop them. After all if they existed in the type moon multiverse they would need to have any ability like that to be able to function like cannon. The idea also makes their modus operandai make more sense, as they are using the host species 'physics engine' to experiment for whatever the author interprets their end goal is.
 
Windborne said:
allow someone like EMIYA the ability to trace weapons that could last indefinitely on Bet.
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I may not be a black-belt type-moon wiki-warrior just yet, but I can, and will correct you on this.

The projections made from Gradation Air are not subject to the erosion Gaia imposes on stuff like Reality Marbles or other weird stuff. They decay on their own because of their own inherent instability, separate from any outside force, caused by the incomplete information that cripples Gradation Air in the first place. EMIYA, even with his hyper-specialization into Projection, his Reality Marble, his favorable status as an Incarnation of Sword, is still subject to this issue.

To go further would be taking the First True Magic.
 
First of all, Incarnations aren't a thing. Second of all, Emiya's projections can, in practical terms, already exist indefinitely. Rin experienced that for herself when she saw his collection of replicas gathering dust. The reason his replica phantasms break has nothing to do with the World and everything to do with Shirou himself. Namely, he knows how strong the original is supposed to be and when his replica isn't able to perform to those standards his confidence falters and he can't maintain their existence. He might be able to just make a pile of Kanshou and Bakuya if he wants, but I'm not really sure about that.

But more to this thread as a whole, this is already shaping up to being a very nice story, I really enjoy when authors focus on having Taylor learn, and grow, and heal as a person instead of being a meme, and having her form a genuine bond with Olga as well as decent partnership with Cu were both pleasant steps on her being able to trust others. While I do have my concerns about adding more variables in stories that are super-reliant on unlikely strokes of luck being the only thing preventing certain death, I'm pretty confident that things will be a good read regardless. Also I kind of hope that the Fate Mangas are being drawn from as well, since they have some pretty good elements to them.
 
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Okay, I know that some people have been critical of Holmes in this thread, but... some of the arguments about Holmes don't seem to make much sense to me. Holmes is a detective, someone who looks at the facts and uses that to try and piece together the truth. While he is brilliant, by no means is he infallible, so some of the arguments about him getting things wrong don't really measure up, as he only knows as much as he can gleam from the information he has access to. The argument that he was way off-base when it came to the identity of the burning of Proper Human History, is kind of redundant as he only could know as much as what information was available; Goetia him/itself was more or less considered to be the true Solomon due to the fundamental connection of their Saint Graphs, so Holmes not being able to figure out it was Goetia, and not Solomon, isn't that big of a mark against him.

Part of the reason Holmes regards Moriarty as his greatest foe is because, at the end of the day, Moriarty is his intellectual equal, and is far more willing to resort to unsavory methods to achieve his ends, and thus is very much capable of tricking Holmes himself.

This is just me chipping in with my two-cents though, if someone or anyone disagrees, its okay with me.
 
If I understood it correctly the problem with Holmes getting important things wrong is that his NP allows him to pull facts from nothing, meaning that he is not restricted to information available.
 
As they fey have taught us, just because you have a truth(fact), doesn't mean you have the context to come to the correct conclusion.
 
Tzardok said:
If I understood it correctly the problem with Holmes getting important things wrong is that his NP allows him to pull facts from nothing, meaning that he is not restricted to information available.
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His NP creates solutions to problems, he still has to find those solutions before he can make use of them. It does not pull facts from nothing, it makes it possible to determine the truth even when there should be nothing to suggest it.
 
NormalGuy said:
His NP creates solutions to problems, he still has to find those solutions before he can make use of them. It does not pull facts from nothing, it makes it possible to determine the truth even when there should be nothing to suggest it.
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To nip the next question at bud, what reason would he have to question the conclusion of "The Culprit is Solomon"?
 
Have been thinking about this about Holmes it does have some spoilers so read at you risk

I'm the only one that have been thinking about Pretender Holmes
Because the class changing was one of Oberon-Vortinger clues and Holmes do it too
 
NormalGuy said:
Remember Sherlock has never been infallible. The Twisted Lip (one of his stories) shows that without the right information available, even he can draw poor conclusions.
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And that story is possibly part of what makes Heroic Spirit Sherlock Holmes capable of being wrong, considering just how many people use his name, however snarkily, as a way of saying someone is sure that they are right, or have gotten a lot of information right without someone else's direct input.
 
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