Remove ads

Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]

Reader mode
Phaeton said:
A problem with a solution called the "Master 8, Aster 0"
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
People keep bringing that up, but even disregarding the possibility of Jack triggering her into causing the apocalypse, Aster was in the hands of the S9, with little to no chance of saving her. It counts as a mercykill.

On the other hand, Taylor ran an orphanage in her base. Somehow that never gets brought up.

Okay, now to be relevant to the thread here, I do have to wonder. With how many servants they are picking up, well. Even with the fancy midfight summon system I have trouble imagining a situation where they don't start out with Arash-Emiya-Mash, and call in Aife as needed, besides fights like the end of thr last singularity. If they get Emiya back that is. Are the others gonna sit around the base? Or will the start team be changing up?
 
BBBence1111 said:
On the other hand, Taylor ran an orphanage in her base. Somehow that never gets brought up.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Also, when the Wards had to go to schools and talk to kids, they loved hearing from her. Admittedly, what they loved hearing were things like "Crime actually pays really well, but there's no safety net and you'll probably be killed as competition by another villain, whereas a government job is safer but doesn't get you as much money or freedom."
 
SolipsistSerpent said:
Also, when the Wards had to go to schools and talk to kids, they loved hearing from her. Admittedly, what they loved hearing were things like "Crime actually pays really well, but there's no safety net and you'll probably be killed as competition by another villain, whereas a government job is safer but doesn't get you as much money or freedom."
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
So basically they loved that she was honest and straightforward with them, treating them like person instead of kids.
 
SeerKing said:
i see Taylor has repurposed her Imp Management Skill into Jalter Management. A shame she can't do something about Rika, but you can't have everything...
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I've been thinking about this for ages, because while Rika and Marie have been jumping every time one of the Servants does this, Taylor doesn't do that until right here with Jeanne Alter, and even then she rolls with it
because as SeerKing and Taylor herself says, 'I worked on a team with Imp. I know why she's doing this, I know she's just stirring the pot for fun. I know how to deal with this.'

Honestly, been waiting for this to come up for awhile now, both her talent for managing big personalities like Nero, Aife, and Jalter, and the spirit form shenanigans specifically, because that IS a skillset, and it's not one you commonly come across given the circumstances. it'll probably come up at some point when her cape career gets discussed, but i'm still surprised on some level it hasn't been noted yet by anybody

BBBence1111 said:
People keep bringing that up, but even disregarding the possibility of Jack triggering her into causing the apocalypse, Aster was in the hands of the S9, with little to no chance of saving her. It counts as a mercykill.

On the other hand, Taylor ran an orphanage in her base. Somehow that never gets brought up.

Okay, now to be relevant to the thread here, I do have to wonder. With how many servants they are picking up, well. Even with the fancy midfight summon system I have trouble imagining a situation where they don't start out with Arash-Emiya-Mash, and call in Aife as needed, besides fights like the end of thr last singularity. If they get Emiya back that is. Are the others gonna sit around the base? Or will the start team be changing up?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

SolipsistSerpent said:
Also, when the Wards had to go to schools and talk to kids, they loved hearing from her. Admittedly, what they loved hearing were things like "Crime actually pays really well, but there's no safety net and you'll probably be killed as competition by another villain, whereas a government job is safer but doesn't get you as much money or freedom."
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Pretty much all of this

I think at the end of the day the reason the kids liked her was...she didn't lie to them. she didn't sugarcoat things. because kids are still people, and when they get fed a PR line about how the PRT and the Protectorate fight for 'TRUTH AND JUSTICE' and that they 'ALWAYS PREVAIL'...but they can look out the window and see the world circling the drain, it's not hard for them to realize they're being bullshitted.

Taylor in such a case was honest with them. she told them, 'hey, things suck, here is how and why they suck. Crime is the 'get rich quick' option, but it still sucks in its own way. I'm going to fight for you, because somebody has to and I've got a pretty good track record so far, but things are still bad and they will continue to be bad if people don't come together for common cause.'



...it really is kind of funny, that people love to bring up Taylor's stint as a warlord, but so few remember that she was honestly very charismatic in her own way, and neither do they remember why her message was so compelling
 
SolipsistSerpent said:
Also, when the Wards had to go to schools and talk to kids, they loved hearing from her. Admittedly, what they loved hearing were things like "Crime actually pays really well, but there's no safety net and you'll probably be killed as competition by another villain, whereas a government job is safer but doesn't get you as much money or freedom."
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Imagine that, middleschoolers sick of patronizing lies from authority figures liking being told the truth for once.
 
Last edited:
Formerly said:
Imagine that, middleschoolers sick of patronizing lies from authority figures liking being told the truth for once.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Good luck telling a government based institution to even suggest telling kids that turning to crime is an option as opposed to something that wouldn't even be considered. Taylor can do it because 1) her position as ex warlord gives her that right and 2) Wildbow put her there as an extension of his axe against authority. She was pretty much just his mouthpiece for those parts.

It's really easy to mock the PRT, the Protectorate, and the Wards program because we get a direct view of their failures, but as a concept they make sense. It was just the problem in implementation because of course we can't have good things in Worm.

Edit: As an addendum to the whole "Surely the kids would be smart enough to not turn to crime even if it was suggested to them in such a way", think about it for a second. We've all been at that age, not all of us were that mature. And even assuming that every child is mature enough to calmly consider their options, the cruel fact of life is that there are always people in the right demographics to be prone to crime.

The poor. The bullied. The disprivileged. The people who are hated for reasons out of their control like their race, gender, or color. The arrogant. The sociopathic. To such people, even suggesting that crime can get you money at the risk to your health might exactly be the kind of risk they are willing to take. To these people, it'll be nothing but encouragement. "I'm someone who can make that odds," or "Things are bad already anyway for me so why not at least try to get rich?"

There are legal and logical reasons as to why what Taylor did will not be encouraged in an organization that views things in the perspective of the masses as opposed to the individual.
 
Last edited:
Barghest Blue said:
Taylor did fine with children, it was the SH9 that was the problem
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Depends how you define children because she was also in charge of the Chicago Wards and they weren't that close to her and didn't really like her. That's because while they did originally want her because of how they'd worked well together and needed someone to take over as leader they didn't know what they'd be signing up for. By that point Taylor had switched her need for a crusade over to beating the s9 so she was brutal in their training and dragged them all into it. Theo didn't mind because of his personality and agreement with Jack but it was very hard on the others as aside from knowing they'd be dragged into fighting the nine they had issues like being unable to maintain romantic or other relationships outside of the wards because Taylor + school was sucking up all their time.

BBBence1111 said:
On the other hand, Taylor ran an orphanage in her base. Somehow that never gets brought up.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Aside from how it's in the post levi warlord era so even the tiny fraction of the fandom that's read it isn't that familiar with it because beyond Noelle, Scion, Cauldron and the nine very little gets used from it in fics that's not quite right. The orphanage wasn't in her direct base Warlord Taylor's direct base was basically a house for her and terrariums for her insects she did at least at one point let kids into a bit connected through the secret tunnel which went badly as some thugs got into her house and tried to take it over. However, she basically just let other people take care of the kids and only made the odd check up on if they had enough supplies or any issues needing her attention.
 
SolipsistSerpent said:
Those are technically peers, so I do not count them. A teenager with a job interacting with their teenage coworkers isn't really the same thing.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
yeah, the wards aren't 'kids' as such, and coworkers on top of that, taylor does fine with kids, she's was not like a big sister or parent figure to those orphans, but they liked her, and how she acted with the schoolchildren makes it pretty clear she's got some ability to get through to them, she's at worst decent with kids, and more realistically, kinda good with them. she's not gonna parent them or be their big sister figure, but a mentor? someone they can look up to? probably something she can manage easily, hell she's already doing that to ritsuka and rika, include the factor that they'll be servants and thus directly interacting with her more often as opposed to just living under her protection? and i can see her getting more involved than she did in bet.

an enemy child servant is a different situation tho, as that depends entirely on the situation at hand, an enemy jack the ripper would probably be too loyal to her current 'mother' to listen to reason for example, but a wild nursery rhyme i can easily see taylor manage.
 
Last edited:
famfrit said:
Peers or co-workers aren't the right words for it since she was the Wards leader so they were her subordinates.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

The leader was Tecton, she became co-leader later. She didn't fraternize with them not because she doesn't like people, it's because she was 100% working for the cause and thought that having a social life was one thing she needed to leave behind.
 
TimeDiver said:
On a more serious note; if Chaldea specifically summons Gilgamesh as an Archer (as opposed to his vastly more tolerable Caster or Ko-Gil forms)...

...while I can see Taylor very reluctantly tolerating his sheer arrogance, I can't quite visualize the twins nor Jalter resisting the urge to 'poke the bear'.

On another hand, the very fact that Chaldea now contains the only survivors* of humanity that he can't act on his desire to 'cull the un-necessary'.

* - In this one timeline, anyways; keeping in mind that Proper Pan-Human History is one of multiple parallel worlds with a successful Chaldea.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

If they DO end up summoning Gilgamesh, I hope that we eventually get the following line.
"You won't be the first overpowered golden asshole I've killed."
 
I'm disappointed by the Archer nerf mostly, given that we saw him survive in the UBW route purely by relying on his Independent Action, there should be no reason for him to at least survive slightly longer like a knock-off Battle Continuation and get at least one more blow, it seems to be solely for the purpose of embellishing the OC over other more established characters, which I hope isn't a return to the previous arc's overemphasis on Aife.

I have no problem with Aife personally, but if you tally up all extant perspectives and time spent in narrative, I think you will find a certain partiality .
 
___ said:
I'm disappointed by the Archer nerf mostly, given that we saw him survive in the UBW route purely by relying on his Independent Action
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Yes, and in the UBW Route Archer/EMIYA never had to close himself with Herakles in his Reality Marble to chip away as many lives as possible from the Berserker, whereas in the route he did (Fate Route) guess what? What happened here happened there.

So no, it is not a nerf.
 
the difference is mainly that archer in UBW was 'merely' mortaly injured, but such injuries don't necessarily take you out immediately, you can hold on for a while, especially if you got the right tools. he got injured and the just kinda sat and waited around for an opportunity as someone else fought. against heracles tho, well, from how i read that scene, he got instantly killed or something similar, something that wasn't just a stab but probably a more instantly lethal thing, it makes sense that he'd last longer in one scenario than in the other.
 
Gil being summoned would mean he could (probably accidentally) clairvoyance Taylor. And he would be torn between laugh at her and hug her... probably.
 
___ said:
I'm disappointed by the Archer nerf mostly, given that we saw him survive in the UBW route purely by relying on his Independent Action, there should be no reason for him to at least survive slightly longer like a knock-off Battle Continuation and get at least one more blow, it seems to be solely for the purpose of embellishing the OC over other more established characters, which I hope isn't a return to the previous arc's overemphasis on Aife.

I have no problem with Aife personally, but if you tally up all extant perspectives and time spent in narrative, I think you will find a certain partiality .
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
So there were a couple of different things that went into this. First and most important, Emiya had to be really careful how hard he fought, because Rika is not Rin. It limited the sort of firepower he could bring out, and he was well aware of that going into it. Second, I had it in my head that Herk might not exactly remember things like details, but some part of him, underneath all of that Madness Enhancement, remembers that Emiya is dangerous and took several of his lives, and so Herk took Emiya more seriously.

So, yes, this was a nerf to Emiya and a buff to Herk, but the nerf wasn't made a thing specifically for this fight or specifically so that any of the OCs could get in on the fight. I was actually kind of frustrated when I was planning this part out, because I thought I was going to have to hew closer to canon and make them lure Herk to the Ark, and it was only once I started counting up the A-Rank NPs that I realized it was actually possible for the team to take all but one or two of Herk's lives.
 
If Herc somehow had the memory of the grail war, I wonder if they had Prisma Illya or Sitonai, would have Herc even been willing to fight them ?
 
kyle53 said:
If Herc somehow had the memory of the grail war, I wonder if they had Prisma Illya or Sitonai, would have Herc even been willing to fight them ?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
In the event that he did, in fact, have memories of Illya, then it would probably go like this:
"▃▄▄▅▅▂▂. ▃▃▄▄▅▅!"
"…?"
*flashback*
"Berserker is the Strongest!"
Golden Portals open around him
*flashbang end*
"▄▅▅?"
Madness Enhacement: "Illya is a heroic spirit. You failed. Again."
"▄▅▅▃▄▅▅▃▅▅!!!"
"Heracles, what are you doin-" Jason gets slapped off the Argo by the flat of the stone blade.
 
Faralis said:
Gil being summoned would mean he could (probably accidentally) clairvoyance Taylor. And he would be torn between laugh at her and hug her... probably.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
In all seriousness, that would be an explosion waiting to happen.

I can see Gil tolerating Taylor, and vice versa. He would even respect her accomplishments. But Taylor's hang-ups with Authority would clash HARD with Gil. Heck, he might even try to kill Taylor on sight because of what she did. Gilgamesh is the King of Heroes. Not Taylor, but during the battle against Scion, she usurped him of that role. He'd probably keep his anger in check if summoned, but if encountered on the field? Ancient Babylonian Bug spray.

Context won't matter. He hates Emiya for "stealing" his armory, despite it not being intentional at first. And if Taylor tries to argue back, Gil will point out every point she could have avoided it. His eyes will give him the context he needs so he will not be ignorant of Taylor's past. Taylor usurped his title of "King of Heroes" by Mastering every Cape, and he will demand retribution.
 
Last edited:
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top