Honestly, this is just more fodder for Magi, and specifically Olga in this chap, never knowing wtf they're talking about despite vehemently insisting on the 'rules'.
Hard disagree. Yeah, Rin doesn't know wth she's talking about, but she's far, far from the only one. Just a friendly reminder that a lot of the exposition we get on the quote-unquote rules of the verse(tm) we get on FGO comes from either Da Vinci (aka the smartest, most knowledgable person ever) and Romani aka mister 'King of Magicraft' himself. If there's anyone in the setting that should know anything about how anything works, it's those two. And well, it's pretty much a meme at this point how much of Romani's dialogue is him going 'nani!?' at every little thing. And that's not even getting into Sherlock.
...Have you ever even SEEN Romani? The guy who was "God's Sock Puppet" to the point he didn't even know his own likes and dislikes is the guy who "definitely knows things"? Absolutely nothing about his characterization or actual history implies he has any goddamn clue what he's doing about anything that isn't medicine... That's kind of his whole deal in the story. He's woefully out of his depth but is trying his best.
Um, even that rule has an exception. Both exist in the Fate/strange fake timeline. Nobody understands how that is possible in-universe either.
That did strike me as odd. Even if there weren't any isopods floating around beneath them or preexisting bugs on board, her standard procedure would have her bring at least a small swarm from the island just so she could keep an eye out for piratical scheming.
I haven't actually read or kept up with Strange Fake to say for sure, though as an alternate universe it's just as capable of having divergent metaphysics as any other Nasuverse universe.
Honestly, the Decline of Mystery isn't really 'rules' in the sense we're debating imo. Like, it isn't a limit or anything like that, just a general trend/theme of the setting. And even it has exceptions. (Like, there's stuff that has more Mystery than other stuff that came before it, IE: Camelot , etc)
I suppose it's somewhat of a difference of perspective.
Yeah, those "general theme things" aren't the things I mean when I say 'rules'. Rules as I'm debating them are things like the limitations on a hard magic system or just the general workings of things. (Incidently, not all myths are true in Fate, since there are myths that explicitly aren't true from all the way back to F/SN -- IE: Sasaki Kojiro never existed and is an entirely fictional character in-universe, but eh)
From that perspective, Saber dodging IS one of the rules of Gae Bolg. Because Gae Bolg's effect is an imposition of fate. Which is what the, incredibly poorly named, Luck stat is all about defying. Archer couldn't do that. Neither could Medusa. Because they lack the means to do so. That isn't a "broken rule" so much as a rule you didn't get from Lancer himself.
I'd just put it as narrative hyperbole. Impossible is often used in place of improbable for the sake of more potent prose even if its less accurate.
I don't think Fran was fictional? In Apocrypha, Fiore bought the actual blueprints of Dr Frankenstein's creation for Caules to use as a catalyst, and the supplementary material make it clear that, in Nasu Land, Victor was a real, historical person who built Fran, then freaked out and did his whole Very Bad Parenting routine.
I'm be surprised if the daughter of a dockworker did NOT.
This happened by the way – Fran was the first and only of a unique Homunculus created in an attempt to replicate the first humans, Adam and Eve, by magus Victor Frankenstein and in Fate/Apocrypha she was summoned by the Yggdmillennia family using a catalyst in the form of Victor's blueprints, which, probably were also used to create homunculi farm of Yggdmillennia.
So two issues with this. The first is that many of the sources that are used for nasuverse servants were blatantly fictional when they were written with no allusions that was not the case, and not even in a "maybe this was real" way. People's conception of reality 100 years ago was different sure, but not in the ways you seem to think. This also ignores that lots of people in poorer countries totally still think magic is real to the point that doctors were having issues because people would assume their sickness was some sort of curse and go to some local "magic expert" and only go to actual doctors after it was too late.
I really hope they abandon this explanation, because even ignoring all of the plot holes that it opens up it also ignores the fact that the reason people did not think Johanna was real was because some medieval scholars dug up a bunch of evidence and found that it was blatantly impossible for her to exist. If she actually had existed, people would have kept on believing in her existence, which means the explanation just does work in this case.
Fairly sure Ygg's homonculi stuff was mostly Einzbern-sourced, and they had that running before Fiore got her hands on the blueprints- it was a fairly late purchase, with Caules being intended as a Fiore substitute up until he got his Seals (by which time Ygg should have been well established given how long Darnic had had to set things up).
IIRC it was this one: It sits in the family , over in fanfiction net
Da Vinci isn't just smart, she's pretty much the literal smartest person to have ever lived. She's also supposed to knowledgable.
Several problems with that: 1) the Luck thing was never even hinted at before it happens 2) Saber just says 'I dodged it thanks to my luck' and never adequately explains 3) Luck is never really explained unless you dig deep into WoG and even then it's inconsistent as all hell 4) it's arbitrary af 5) it's a direct contradiction of everything we knew about Gae Bolg beforehand -- it's not 'the spear always pierces the heart, UNLESS...' 6) it's hard to call the trait of high Luck stat being a way to avoid Gae Bolgs curse consistently true when it only exists for the sake of that one asspull and comes up nowhere else 7) somehow that trait never comes up in the stated rules 8) the whole deal with Fate rules being BS is that every single rule has more exceptions than anything else... so saying that the workings of Gae Bolg have an exception isn't really a defense
Honestly, yeah.
Huh. Did not remember that.
I know there are some, but I can't really be bothered to look through every Servant to remember which is which.
