But they both have a personality that can be described as: 100% Maximum No Chill!!!
Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
- Thread starter James D. Fawkes
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Zedman7054
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To be fair, no one did. Not Mash, not Olga, not even da Vinci. Maybe Romani might have had some insight towards their true characters, but he kept them to himself if he did. Team A kept to themselves. They weren't really a team, just a collection of capable individuals. They worked together, but weren't close with each other, let alone anyone else.
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and part of that is that you really don't become a true team until the shit really starts to get deep. When you are in training, no matter how high the stress the trainers put you through, there is always that small voice in the back of your mind that always says, "This is training, there is no real danger here, they are not trying to kill us no matter what i feel like." it isn't until the bullets, blades or spells start to fly that you know how you will really react to any given situation, and it is only after this happens that a team can truly come together.
I'm pretty sure only one of them was a trained combatant of a sort. Maybe Daybit too, but nobody knows what's up with him. The rest were just talanted individuals. Like Rin compared to Kirei. Rin is a powerful and talanted magus, and Kirei is a trained killer that can kill mages even without using supernatural bullshit.
Pepe hid it really well, but he's the trained combatant.
Beryl barely even tried to contain his murderous nature, but trained combatant is a bit of a generous descriptor for what I'd call "an enthusiastic serial killer."
Possibly Hinako/Yu, but I'm not sure how much of that is "trained combatant" and how much is "inhuman magical monster." And regardless nobody living had any way of knowing that given how much falsification her records contained and how much she had suppressed her powers.
This isn't a knock against any of their combat potential just that only one of them would have extensive combat experience in their resume.
Speaking of their combat potential:
Kirschtaria Wodime: Experience wise, he survived an assassination attempt from his father... and that's about it. He's only a strong combatant with in the Age of Gods wherein his magnum opus, Grand Order/Anima Animusphere truly shines, capable of withstanding a Morgan-launched Rhongomyniad. Incidentally, this is also amplified by his ridiculously enormous mana pool and talent for astromantic magecraft.
Ophelia Phamrsolone: Her only real combat talent is her Jewel-tier Mystic Eye which is essentially Eye of the Mind (False) at a high rank. Otherwise she's really not that more experienced than anybody else.
Kadoc Zemlupus: Literally only picked because of his Master-talent. Low mana capacity and otherwise a massive inferiority-complex.
Arou Myourenji (Scandinavia Peperoncino): Mastered three of the tengu arts, experience in Japanese demonic exorcism, and apparently decent at the Chinese-based Xian Arts. As Formerly puts it, he's really the only magus of Team A that directly specializes in fighting and his background supports it.
Hinako Akuta: Biologically immortal as an Incarnated Elemental; her only strengths in fighting are her suicide-bomb attack and sucking the blood of her opponents.
Beryl Gut: Descended from a Witch, learned witchcraft that way specializing in murder, torture and assassination. Fundamentally a sociopath, he's the equivalent to a Political Officer amongst Team A. Combat-wise, he's not that strong outside of an assassination/situation where he has the drop on somebody.
Daybit Sem Void: One of the only two people known to be in the Department of Lore, which answers only to the Founder and Director of the Clock Tower. Though he was expelled, he is said to be extremely unpredictable (such as the time he told Pepe to defy a God), has the highest rayshifting aptitude and his strengths as a Master are such that he summoned the Grand Berserker as his personal Servant. Coincidentally, he is said to be the winner in any situation amongst the Crypters, even if Pepe has the better combat skills and Wodime the better strategic aptitude.
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And then there is taylor who more or less there for her experience with dealing with the sort of mad bullshit they would probably be running into and Tactical thinking especialy in the sense of your going to run into things vastly stronger than you and have this set of tools what do you do and quickly come up with an answer might not be the best one but its better than nothing especialy when working with possibly very Arbitrary functions of Esoteric Bullshit
i'd argue her mystic eye is way more than just eye of the mind (false), she could basically do a reverse of what musashi's mystic eyes do, where musashi can narrow down the eventuality she wants and lock it down, guaranteeing a hit regardless of anything, ophelias can restrict options, making them impossible to happen, if you have a trump card or an ability that you rely on or something, she can straight up remove that as an option while her eye is active, she can basically remove possibilities like someone dodging a strike or using their power to escape or to use a special technique, it just stops being something that can happen, no future where it happens exists anymore, you need pretty strong mojo to counter that. she generally uses it to try and achieve the same as musashi does, narrowing down a single outcome via culling the other options, it's harder to achieve that single outcome, but it can do things musashi's can't as a consequence, musashi makes herself work better, ophelia makes opponents work worse basically.
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Well, as Valefor can attest to, Taylor is pretty good at dealing with people who have eye-based powers.
TimeDiver
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That presumes that someone else (certainly not Ophelia herself) monologues on how her Mystic Eye functions in earshot of Taylor (or her puppets, or any arthropods sufficiently sensitive to sound...)
Any such information would be restricted not just within the ranks of Team A (as magi, one does NOT inquire into the magecraft of others) but also by declaration of Marisbury Animusphere himself.
Whether Olga-Marie had/has access to the rest of Team A's records, if such even exist... is highly debatable.
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Taylor might not know how her eye functions or what it does, but it's well-known that she has one. Besides, basic Mystic Eye information should be something that Taylor knows, and it's common sense to take out the opponents greatest trump card first.
ophelia on the other hand, if she has her eye out and active would almost certainly know if taylor controls any bugs near her, she can see their future possibilities, so taylor forming them into a swarm clone or something in a potential future would clue her in pretty fast.
TimeDiver
Herald of Dis Lev
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At least it hasn't devolved to the nigh-traditional biggatons/space-whale bullshit vs. Nasuverse conceptual bullshit... *knock on wood*
That said, I'm not that impressed with Worm as a franchise, so I don't buy into the 'Post-Golden Morning Taylor is the unbeatable Supreme Goddess of Escalation' memes.
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I may be not in the majority, but I very much like slow chapters like this, with characters interacting at their own pace.
More like 'Supreme Goddess of Requiring Rehab and Therapy'.
That would be because she's not. Something with worm you need to internalise is canon sucks to read as a result of this well the thing people say about Levi being a fic killer is also true of canon despite only being arc 7 or 8 of 31ish that's as far as most of the people who have read worm have read up to. This means a lot of details on the later stuff get heavily distorted and Taylor gets hyped up.
To make this clear let's take my personal experience with getting into worm. In authors I consider good and while looking at crossover recs at some point in 2018 I suddenly started seeing Worm crop up, at first I just ignored it but then over the next week or two it kept coming up a lot and some whose opinion I trust rec'd a crossover fic so I read it and then backtracked to read the others. Following that I checked out a few non crossovers mainly cyoa v3 ones.
At this point I had a really high opinion of Taylor from how she was portrayed in those fics with things like fic summaries having with bug control Taylor Hebert slew a god and then saying something specific to the fic like and now with a soul slaying blade creation shall tremble or her handling her first fights with extreme competence and set up. In particular I remember one fic the Lung fight occur with her eavesdropping on them with her bugs and setting up with bugs so that when combat started they knocked heavy things off of roofs which tugged the silk stands tied to them and pulled their weapons away.
I then read canon and it was painful with personalities and powers having large differences and Taylor's stupidity early on and things like Canary's treatment were enough I needed to around once an arc put it down for a bit to deal with it. Her early combat also sucks the Lung fight and the bank are both essentially swarm them with bugs, have them crawl where they shouldn't be and mass biting and stinging and that's it. She also takes bugs with her for the bank fight but it isn't till the storage yard fight where she has to scramble cause there weren't many nearby that she thought about keeping an eye on local numbers and taking some with her. Since this was at the end of the year and I was busy I then stopped reading it ironically at the start of Levi's arc about a chapter or two before the sirens rang.
After that I then around a year later in which I still read worm fics I chose to finish it and it was honestly a lot better in the sense of the stupidity not making it tedious. That said though the ending was disappointing in the sense that the details I had on gm were that it was indeed scion as the big bad but the details on his defeat were scarce. I knew sting was important to open the path to his body, I knew he was really strong I believe it is one of Ack's fics that says something like even as an army if you use an attack on him twice it will be less effective and you'll get injured and if you try a third time you'll just die and I knew Taylor was the one to defeat him with her making some sort of grand planned noble sacrifice in order to win.
Except boy is that missing a lot. Sting does open the path to his body but he has power setup to auto detect and auto dodge it so the few fics I'd read that do some setup like landing the shot in a mundane sneak atk or mixing it into a horde of atks are wrong. The thing on his competence against an army is wrong he will gradually take less damage from a power but that's due to stilling not skill on his part and he won't be launching counteratks aimed at the person because he won't really care too much about the damage in the first place since his flesh replacement is so fast you can only tell he's been hurt from big hits.
Finally the sacrifice thing is just wrong she didn't know going into it what would happen it was her being desperate to contribute something meaningful to the fight so was willing to have her corona messed with in the blind hope it might do something useful to her power. She also didn't even do it with just bug control and in fact with bug control just managed a slight distraction in the fighting with her thinking it was perhaps interfering with his sensing. Then there is of course how she didn't even land the final blow which also didn't come from beating him in a fight, a few fics had used the Eden image stuff as a distraction to throw him off his game but canon does that to the point he gives up and let's the final blows hit him including turning off his auto dodging of sting.
yeah that's pretty much it, worm fics give wierd expectations of canon so a lot of people are put off when worm is drastically different from worm fanfic, doesn't help that for a time fic authors seemingly took pride in actively avoiding reading worm, it's a wierd situation.
I think she does have SOME proficiency in some weaponries, else she wouldn't wield them twins in her Assassin manifestation or be able to use Her Hubby's spear as well as she did (and not accidentally poke her kouhai)... Even if she mostly blow herself up into bloody chunks that freak and gross people out. She is nowhere near an actual master though. Can you actually imagine her devoting to a single weapons those martial Heroic Spirits do with her personality?
Also, when was this mentioned? I probably skipped it trying to rush completing a chapter. And whose is Grand Zerker? Any hint?
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it has not been confirmed but there are theories about it based on what servants have been semi-confirmed via leak to appear in his lostbelt. we find out he has a grand servant during the indian lostbelt when he briefly makes an appearance with his servant and they make a cursory reading on him, not sure if we find out it is berserker from that scene or in a future scene where the crypters have a meeting.
someone leaked potential servant info about who appears in lostbelt 7, of these one is Wukong, which many theorize to be the most likely candidate of the servants to be grand berserker, but again, nothing at all confirmed. this is where i got most of my knowledge about the grand berserker theories.
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Fate/Grand Order materials VIII; on his character profile.
As for Grand Basaka, we have some idea. The recent Lostbelt 7 reveal finally gave us the full name of the location of the Lostbelt:
Lostbelt 7: Journey in the Golden Sea of Trees - Nahui Mictlān ; Set during the Age of the Underworld in the Ancient Mesoamerican Civilization.
Why he put this in South America rather than placing it in its more geographically-accurate location I'll never know but Nasu's gotta Nasu.
Some assume it's Tetzcalipoca or Black Tetzcalipoca given their focus in other F/GO material plus their relationship to being the Original Sun in mesoamerican myth since before the sun the whole world was in a state of sorta-dusk but he kinda lost that place to Quetzalcoatl in a battle so Quetz became the Second Sun.
Others say it's Cipactli, a giant crocodile who ate the other gods' attempts to create more gods (and therefore the Sun) because it ties into the whole devouring thematic he has going on.
There's reason to assume they're related to the Nahuatl Underworld of Mictlān in some way as per the info, with some saying that it might be Coyolxāuhqui, Huitzilopochtli's sister who in mythology was ritually sacrificed by him and has to fight her every day, or the Lord of the Underworld Mictlantecuhtli, who tried to stop Quetz from leaving with human bones to recreate humanity after Tetzcatlipoca's jaguars ate them all after Quetz beat him.
We have absolutely no idea until it releases. The Age of the Underworld is weird in that it technically (under certain interpretations) refers to the World without a Sun, of which there are five periods in the mythology.
That being said, if Fawkes makes it all the way there in about ten years in Hereafter, it'll be mighty fun connecting Taylor's Legend as the Heroic Spirit of the Dawn to the Five Suns of Mexica myth.
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Isiri Pudireach
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Isn't there a clause for Grand Servants that Divinities don't qualify? And Romulus was already "the exception," as stated in his bond:
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You mean this version of Taylor. Somewhere out there, there's a Alter version of her, who built a harem with her powers. Maybe we are lucky and she summoned that one. Case in point: she couldn't resist the siren song of having a beautiful Goddess of her own.
I mean yeah, but you also have to take into account his unofficial MO:
X is impossible to do because Y. Character Z does X regardless.
Everything is an exception until it isn't. Scáthach could only alter her Saint Graph to get her summer outfit via Primordial Runes? Bam! Santa Alter Seiba.
Foreigners HAVE to be Outer Gods? Bam! MHXX.
Mystery gets weaker with age? Bam! Don Quixote/Tesla/Edison.
Grand Servants need to meet a specific criteria to qualify:
From the Nasu/Takeuchi Q&A: "Reaching the top of their respective Class, by meeting high standards in both power and legends. There are more than one candidate Servant for each Class, they're ultimately chosen according to each era's target to be overcome"
From Romulus-Quirinus' translated Servant Profile: "Normally, it is unthinkable that a Divine Spirit would be summoned as a Grand Class servant."
The wording technically doesn't say impossible, But here's the thing: Cipactli would be more akin to a Divine Beast than Divine Spirit, and Tetzcatlipoca technically lost his Authority as a Sun God, whereas Coyolxāuhqui was fragmented and thus in Nasu-land doesn't have the full Authority as a Goddess (see: Ana/Medusa/Gorgon), so they technically wouldn't be full-fledged Divinities, but rather on the scale of demi-gods like Heracles (who in theory could also manifest as a Divine Spirit).
Plus, the Mesoamerican gods are an exception to some of the chains binding Natural Spirits such as Divine Spirits ordinarily: they're Alien existences from Gaia not unlike Altera or the Machine Gods.
Except that unlike Chaos or Velber who actively invaded Gaia, they just so happened to crash there, and with the event accidentally decimating the Dinosaurs who previously held the
Tl;dr: The Mesoamerican gods are exceptions amongst the exceptions for a lot of reasons, and the potential candidates would conceptually lack some of the characteristics that would define them as Divine Spirits; plus Lostbelt 7 is an oddity among the Lostbelts in that it lacks a Fantasy Tree. Plus, Nasu has a track record for breaking impossibilities so really, who's to say?
Isiri Pudireach
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If you're so sure (and ya sure as heck still haven't convinced me) could you at least explain how they qualify for the Berserker Class, let alone Grand Berserker? And no, I will not accept "they are an exception to the rules."
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Hmm, all this talk about Grand Servants made me wonder. Is it possible Taylor could qualify for Grand *Foreigner? It would explain her hatred towards Fou, and vice-versa.
*I say Foreigner because it's the only class i could see her being able to be a Grand in. Also, it's somewhat fitting, that the Grand Foreigner is one who managed to utilize the power they get from an "Outer Entity", to defeat them.
*I say Foreigner because it's the only class i could see her being able to be a Grand in. Also, it's somewhat fitting, that the Grand Foreigner is one who managed to utilize the power they get from an "Outer Entity", to defeat them.
We have WoG about the reason she has her hostile relationship with Fou.
@James D. Fawkes Is it considered a spoiler? I believe it was in this thread you said this but I'm not 100% certain.