RadiantPhoenix
Trudging up the Hill
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- USA, Earth
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- She/Her
I mean, if there's no humans in Fate, but there are still humans in Worm, then Contessa presumably just... turns elsewhere.
T might still die, but she also might not.
Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
- Thread starter James D. Fawkes
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- Crossover
T might still die, but she also might not.
Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
No? Taylor would still die. Goetia's plan actually involves overwriting all Earths.
RadiantPhoenix
Trudging up the Hill
- Location
- USA, Earth
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Goetia coming over to Worm is a different scenario than the one that was being discussed.
I'm not saying that Goetia coming to Worm isn't likely (I have no idea), but if Goetia doesn't come to Worm, then Taylor's fate is uncertain, not "certain death".
- Location
- California, USA
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- He/Him
Does it? I don't remember that ever being said?
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- Devouring a mass of thermonuclear gas
The reason that Babylonia was such an important linchpin in Goetia's plan is because it would have killed all the ancestors of humanity, thus preventing all possible children of said ancestors, thus killing all incarnations of humanity.
Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
Worm happened in a Type Moon multiverse in this. Otherwise Olga wouldn't have been able to use Chaldeas to look up Taylor's history
Simply put, its decidedly not a case of "they are completely separate multiverses that Contessa could travel between because I say she can."
He plans on going all the way back in time and break the temporal locks so he can change history. This kinda has the backlash effect of destroying all current timelines. Including Worm.
- Location
- California, USA
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- He/Him
Wow, I feel bad for Worm. Imagine thinking you're the most grimdark universe on the block only for "Apocalypse Bingo" Type-Moon™ to show up and take your lunch money.
Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
In all fairness, thats mostly just the FGO timeline. The others usually only get like one or two.
Canonically, the Atlas Institute is so busy stopping apocalypses that they couldn't stop this one, so.
Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
They are also producing a good number of those apocalypses.
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- California, USA
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- He/Him
None of you are really dissuading me from Type-Moons Apocalypse Bingo moniker 
captain_belgica
But you'll call me Captain or Sir
- Pronouns
- Captain/Sir
Type-Moon™ is just 2020 on loop year after year.None of you are really dissuading me from Type-Moons Apocalypse Bingo moniker
- Location
- Southern California
Oh right....you know its a shame we never actually see that NP
Until Scion and Eden still roll up on Goetia's New Earth and turn it into their petri dish, only this time nobody can escape the suffering by dying. And they would win against Goetia this time because they would plan their entire Cycle around New Earth with its immortal people and god-like World instead of normal Earth with its pitiful monkeys and ambivalent World. They wouldn't be nearly as incautious on approach, nor would they weaken themselves nearly as much. For all we know they'd come in as the "Demon Pillars" that subdued the World and seeded it with conflict and suffering.
Typemoon has an Apocalypse Bingo card, but parahumans-verse has 1 single inevitability, the Entities are out there and they are endless.
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Please, don't try to make this more setting vs setting than it already was.
James D. Fawkes
Court Scribe
- Location
- Avalon (Isle of Mists)
It's also entirely possible in such a situation that the Entities would decide that Earth would require simply too much time and effort to be worth bothering with and go find somewhere else to set up shop.
rafuki22
Anti-nihilist(maybe).
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- Earth/Spain
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- He/Him
Or they would use PTV from another galaxy to obtain all the [DATA] that they would obtain with a cycle on Earth(If they consider Earth interesting enough, but too troublesome to actually make a proper cycle).
Edit: (The could do that right?)
Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
They can't due to the energy expenditure. Thats actually why the bother with the cycle in the first place.
rafuki22
Anti-nihilist(maybe).
- Location
- Earth/Spain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
If i remember correctly, they can do it, but if the [DATA] from the cycle ends up not being enough, well, it becomes a net negative, so they do cycles because it is safer and more energy efficient.
Basically, using PTV to analyze the whole cycle is a risk.
Everyone talking about the raincoat or what would happen if the Entities came across that y'all forgot the most important thing that happened in the chapter!
She [Compromised] and even [Backed Down]!
Now that's character development.
She [Compromised] and even [Backed Down]!
Now that's character development.
- Location
- California, USA
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- He/Him
Taylor character development is always one of the juiciest parts of any post GM fic
Too prohibitively expensive in energy. But they could put in a call for reinforcements. It takes something appallingly dangerous by the time canon rolls around to dissuade the Entity pair that visits Earth or their close kin. By that point it's more of a question of if visiting your world is worth their time or not.
And James isn't wrong with what he said. While there is pretty much no chance Goetia and New Earth would be too threatening to risk a visit the fact that Goetia's New Men wouldn't have conflict might make New Earth not particularly suitable for the kind of cycle they want to run. It would take more effort to set up a conflict Cycle like they tried in Worm on New Earth. Of course they might choose to do a different kind of Cycle (while Cycles always end the same way how they are enacted up to the end are extremely varied), or decide New Earth and the New Men are neat enough to warrant the effort.
- Location
- Leeds
But...
Babylonia wasn't even the only origin of civilisation let alone all human society. Even if Mesopotania was destroyed the Indus Valley, and China still exist. And there are humans from Europe to the Americas.
Killing all humans would actually be picking some fight with a random and very confused Australopithecus or something.
aight so, note i may be wrong here, this is what i recall from various sites and the game so i may have a few details off.
fairly sure babylonia is more a fixed point in time, cause the way it works to my understanding, gaia looked into the future, saw a really great timeline and decided that that was the one we should get to, so she started shutting off the timelines that could never end up there (where we get lostbelts from) and making certain events fixed in time when they advance towards that future, and if one of those fixed points in time is broken somehow (if say somene gave gille de rais a grail and he ended up making jeanne alter who basically wiped all of france of the map) then you get a singularity cause now the proper human history (or sacred timeline if you will) has shifted course, now just doing minor things like making jeanne d'arc stay a farm girl won't accomplish that as some other person will do it in her stead, that's how the fixed point in time thing works to my knowledge, but if you ruin things so utterly that it cannot be done at all, then a singularity occurs, and even then they take a holy grail to prevent gaia from fixing, all the singularities are goetia effectively breaking time anchors to make time malleable enough that he can sacrifice humanity, use the energy to go back in time and alter history without gaia being able to do anything, the fixed points in time making it real hard to alter history in any meaningful way as while the specific events may not occur, the overall thing that has to happen, still happens. with babylon being one of those, to my knowledge goetia is traveling back way farther than babylon when the time comes.
fairly sure babylonia is more a fixed point in time, cause the way it works to my understanding, gaia looked into the future, saw a really great timeline and decided that that was the one we should get to, so she started shutting off the timelines that could never end up there (where we get lostbelts from) and making certain events fixed in time when they advance towards that future, and if one of those fixed points in time is broken somehow (if say somene gave gille de rais a grail and he ended up making jeanne alter who basically wiped all of france of the map) then you get a singularity cause now the proper human history (or sacred timeline if you will) has shifted course, now just doing minor things like making jeanne d'arc stay a farm girl won't accomplish that as some other person will do it in her stead, that's how the fixed point in time thing works to my knowledge, but if you ruin things so utterly that it cannot be done at all, then a singularity occurs, and even then they take a holy grail to prevent gaia from fixing, all the singularities are goetia effectively breaking time anchors to make time malleable enough that he can sacrifice humanity, use the energy to go back in time and alter history without gaia being able to do anything, the fixed points in time making it real hard to alter history in any meaningful way as while the specific events may not occur, the overall thing that has to happen, still happens. with babylon being one of those, to my knowledge goetia is traveling back way farther than babylon when the time comes.
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The important thing about Babylonia is that Gil is there, the first Demigod and the Bridge between the Gods and Humanity, he's the one that looked at Humanity and then looked at the Gods and chose the Humans. The Age of the Gods was already declining due to the devastation caused by the White Titan Sefar, but it could have been salvaged if Gil got Humanity to support the Gods, but he chose Team HFY, not just accelerating the Decline of the Age of the Gods, but also starting the Ascendancy of the Age of Humanity. Each Age is delineated by the dominant lifeforms of the Planet at the time.
The Babylonia Singularity was an attempt at destroying Gilgamesh and his Legacy. Humans existed before him, but in Nasu terms, Gilgamesh is the start of Human History, and pretty much everything that happened after him couldn't have if he didn't exist. Gil has an actual in story reason he's Bullshit Hax OP for a reason.