Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
And yet... It seems perfectly normal for Chaldea.
Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
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Was looking ahead to see details about the next singularities, and noticed something that could be quite interesting. With Olga presumably getting back to life, the whole alien god plot likely won't be happening, meaning Sherlock Holmes won't end up being an Apostle. Since that was the reason he ended up being summoned, there'd be changes needed for him to appear.
Which means Tattletale as Holmes Pseudo-Servant is a possibility.
Which means Tattletale as Holmes Pseudo-Servant is a possibility.
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I don't know the soul was saved but the mind could have been taken or the body recreated so a part 2 as could still be
BanzEye
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And probably infinitely more angst because, you know, using someone's body when they're right there? That'd probably mess anyone up.
IIRC we still don't know the nature of the Alien God's relation to Olga. There's no way of knowing whether Olga was reincarnated/reborn as the Alien God, or if the Alien God is just mimicking her / used her as a template for whatever reason. It might even be that Olga 'infected' the Alien God when it entered the Human Order (said alien certainly seems surprised/puzzled at being an Olgaface, so maybe Olga is subtly sabotaging her somehow?) or even something weirder.
Honestly it's all up to interpretation at this point.
TLDR: I don't think we have enough info to say that part 2 won't happen without Olga being dead/stuck in CHALDEAS, soul, mind or body. Not yet, at least, so the author can do whatever.
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But yeah, I'd really want to see some Worm characters appear in some way or another -- whether that be as Pseudo-Servants, actual Servants, or even their living selves if the author can swing it. There's really not enough fics where post-GM Taylor interacts with people she knew from canon.
The author's statements that the North America Singularity will be the only one to be majorly reworked in this story gives me hope that it'll have something to do with Parahumans, so fingers crossed we'll get to see Chaldea's reactions to Taylor's past. Like, can you picture the reactions when Servants know, respect and probably are even scared of her on sight? XP
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James D. Fawkes
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There are some theories that Marisbury set it up specifically so Olga could be the Alien God's host, but yeah, nothing has really been confirmed for sure yet, which is why I'm not committing to part 2 when we're not even halfway through part 1.
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Oh shit. Rome was built in a day
I mean I'm torn, on one hand you have a sharp edge? on the other I feel this has been touched on.
"Also theres that one trick I did on Valefor which was absolutely non fatal."
Honestly the fact that they where talking about Romulus and not Lev here had me wondering if Jing Ke had told them Lev was here.
Obviously got shown later that they did know.
Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
It's a canon joke, starting all the way back in Orleans if I remember correctly. It involved hitting enemies with the "back of her blade."
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This one stuck out to me as a little weird even for Taylor- does she really think most, if any, of those people actually choose which Emperor to follow? That when the group of magically super powerful people showed up, planted a city here and claimed half a country as their own, the locals got to say "no thanks, I liked the other one more, past exclude me from your taxes." No magic chariots for the locals, their "choice" was between packing up everything they own and setting off on a possibly months long trip across the country hoping for a safe journey and finding somewhere to start a new life on the other side of an ongoing war, or stay where they are and say "all hail the new guy I guess."
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Ugggggh
*Looks at China Lostbelt*
Eternal Empires aren't actually a good thing
I think my heart just melted
Well how polite he didn't start off with Wood Style
This is probably going to be a pain in the ass- at least he's holding back his divinity
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... while it might be imaginable that his revised human history could make it to the 23rd century while avoiding the FGO plot, I think that says less about him than it does about Scion's willingness and ability to maintain the cycle given proper motivation.
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Romulus plan just was not going to work no matter what as he needs a Holy Grail to exist as that could be removed at any moment by the demons. The only way would be if he got a power source the demons couldn't sabotage or remove from him.
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Yeah, this is extremely strange for Romulus, because there wasn't anything like this in fgo? In canon servants summoned through the false grails made by Solomon just had to obey their summoner, they didn't really get a choice. IIRC Romulus held back his divinity (because he hated the Septem singularity almost as much as we all did, lol) and that was a pretty huge plot point that went really far in making him likeable in Atlantis. Here it kind of sounds like the plan he's telling Chaldea about is like a walmart version of the Lion Kings plan, except it's so much worse it's not even funny.
I'm wondering if this is a 4D chess move on Romulus' part, or maybe it's a soft retcon to expand his character? I'm really curious and looking forward to the next few chapters.
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Norr
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Maybe a bit of both? His summoner is probably forcing him to fight, so he has no choice there. At the same time he is galvanising the chaldeans and their allies to fight him properly while at the same time not coming off as too evil.
I mean, he might not able to get defeated on purpose, but he can get his opponents heads into gear to minimize the risk of them losing. I dunno.
James D. Fawkes
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I mean, I expounded a bit, but his whole shtick in canon was, "which of our Romes deserves to continue on, Emperor Nero?" without...really much talk about how he planned his to be better or why. This posits the kinda obvious answer to the question of, "Why would a Heroic Spirit of PHH side with Goetia?" that doesn't just wave it off as, "they're being forced to by the guy with the Grail."
The obvious answer, in this case, being, "Well, obviously, it didn't work the other way, so I need to find a way to fix that."
The obvious answer, in this case, being, "Well, obviously, it didn't work the other way, so I need to find a way to fix that."
And you know, "heads I win, tails I still win" too. If he does win it'd be better to have some kind of a fallback plan.
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Can you elaborate? IIRC it's canon that every servant was forced to fight. They might have different resistances, awareness, or varying levels of mental pollution, but we see it with pretty much every enemy we fight, starting in France and shown most famously with servants like Medea and Babbage. I also thought Romulus holding back in Septem was a pretty huge part of his character, so I don't see how that makes sense if he had some shitty discount Lion King/Edison plan. Am I mistaken?
Sorry I'm trying not to sound like one of those whiny "um akshually" guys. I'm genuinely confused
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mind you, they are going to need to watch their step overwise they are going to get bisected, and know, and they're trapped in a bound field, and the other noble phantasm gives him florakinesis beside the wooden flood
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Axel
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In my opinion is Lev
James D. Fawkes
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...I was under the distinct impression that most of the enemy Servants had their own motivations for fighting in canon. Gilles wanted to burn the world down for Jeanne, for example, and the Knights of the Round Table were going along out of loyalty to King Arthur, and Medb saw her shot at getting what she wanted and decided to take it.
I don't remember anything about anyone being forced by the Grail (because no Command Spells), and in point of fact, Romulus canonically defies Lev because he doesn't want to destroy mankind. Lev wanted him to go on a murder spree and raze Rome to the bedrock, after all.
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You know... Wouldn't Taylor be mostly unaffected by Incineration due to being from a different Timeline/Branch of Humanity? I find that the most amusing out of all of this- they are fighting for survival, but she is fighting because she wants to. I'm actually kinda curious if that would end up a plot point or not... huh.
And halariously Romulus wins either way in this fight. If he 'looses' the future is secure with people who can contest him in the seat of his power, if he wins, then he has created an empire to defend humanity.
And halariously Romulus wins either way in this fight. If he 'looses' the future is secure with people who can contest him in the seat of his power, if he wins, then he has created an empire to defend humanity.
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That's why I said there's varying levels of resistance and awareness. Fergus for example immediately went out of his way to try to kill himself and Medea went out of her way to warn Chaldeas. It also establishes why major servants like Beowulf or LartoriaAlter would be content playing second fiddle to someone they would dislike. IIRC the control was first established in London (and maybe Medea depending on how you read her), and clarified later in the lostbelt chapters. I'll try to find the relevant quotes later, I first heard this on a few loreposts and I remember confirming it a bit later when I actually played FGO, but I might be wrong and this is just a bad game of telephone.
EDIT: I don't wanna find the years old loreposts or trawl through the entire campaign for a few lines, but the wiki says the london servants were "Commanded by Solomon" and Holmes states that Babbage "Had only a little bit of reason, just a speck" in his intro chapter in Camelot. I might keep looking, but I'd appreiciate if anyone could give me a source to confirm or deny.
I think the control was only there on servants who wouldn't otherwise side with Goetia, like Parecelsus. Which is why I thought it would apply to Romulus because he was specifically stated to hate Septem. The Lion King and her knights weren't products of the false grails.
But this is all kind of besides my question, I'm aware I could be wrong and anyway it's your story with your canon, and expecting you to uphold every aspect of the nasuverse deeplore is ridiculous. My confusion was how this squares with him holding back in Septem, and how it seems like an extremely stupid and illogical plan. Feel absolutely free to ignore me, by the way, I keep on cringing at the thought of being one of those assholes who acts like the author is beholden to them specifically.
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Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
Yeah, they weren't even part of the Incineration Plan. Goddess Rhyongamid just kinda popped into the timeline, killed the actual cause of the Singularity (iirc it was a Servant King Richard), and decided to do her idea. Thats why a certain Egyptian Pharoh had the grail and not the final boss.
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Yes and no. No local humans means no one saves her life. So if she still arrives she just... she just dies.