Rareitor
Aspiring K0mput0rmayun
To be fair, her particular case is less pure assassin and more SPAH
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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
- Thread starter James D. Fawkes
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That's her NP, yeah. Mata Hari lets her brainwash her targets regardless of gender and Magic Resistance for an entire day. But she also has Espionage A++ which lets her infiltrate any group and be accepted as one of their own, as long as none of her own allies reveals her.
Hehehe, speaking of Assassins and Presence Concealment-adjacent skills, how borked is it that Arthurian Legend has both Mordred's Secret of Pedigree and Lancelot's For Someone's Glory Noble Phantasms as anywhere near fair for Assassins given that their class is either Saber or friggin' Berserker?
Seriously, Hassans have good stealth, other Assassins have Espionage or some form of Sabotage but two sword-wielding maniacs can simply waltz around with no-one the wiser just because they can.
Sure, Berserkerlot has a downgraded form of it but even then he can simply ignore that restraint with a Command Seal.
The Assassin Industry is in absolute shambles I swear.
Seriously, Hassans have good stealth, other Assassins have Espionage or some form of Sabotage but two sword-wielding maniacs can simply waltz around with no-one the wiser just because they can.
Sure, Berserkerlot has a downgraded form of it but even then he can simply ignore that restraint with a Command Seal.
The Assassin Industry is in absolute shambles I swear.
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So it wasn't T.V. Koyanskaya, but man is Brutus a suitable person for it.
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Look no further than the main heroine of this Singularity. Nero and her abuse of Imperial Privilege literally means she could just decide that she has Presence Concealment and Espionage as much as she wants and she just gets it. Really, Brutus got it right that emperors and their abuse of power really need to be stabbed.
Yeah, he had a lot of good points, it's just the one point where he was obviously delusional that really amused me: he was absolutely convinced that democracy was still the normal process of state at the time he stabbed Julius (which is was directly lead to the creation of the Empire, if Julius had lived the Empire wouldn't have come about until after he lost power, he genuinely didn't want to be Dictator/King/Emperor, afaik) instead of, you know, various dictators repeatedly taking power on way or another for the past several decades.
That said, I like Servant Brutus, it'd be nice to see him again.
That said, I like Servant Brutus, it'd be nice to see him again.
floppy_seal99
D-O-G-A-R-S DOGARS!
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- snooping as usual
Holy shit, did we just get an unironic "I love Democracy. I love the Republic" moment?
FUCKING SHIT THAT'S AMAZING. And kinda sad too, because Brutus fights not for the Republic of Rome, which is lost forever, but the democracies of the future, which Rome inspired.
View: https://youtu.be/a03320QPIv4
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Washakie (always cool), Lakhshmi Bai, Quanah Parker (why not?), and Othniel Charles Marsh (did some pro-Lakota lobbying in Washington as basically the Plains Indians' Token Evil Teammate) would all be excellent to fill out that cast on the heroes' side
FUCKING SHIT THAT'S AMAZING. And kinda sad too, because Brutus fights not for the Republic of Rome, which is lost forever, but the democracies of the future, which Rome inspired.
View: https://youtu.be/a03320QPIv4
A A MONG US AMONG US AMONG US
Washakie (always cool), Lakhshmi Bai, Quanah Parker (why not?), and Othniel Charles Marsh (did some pro-Lakota lobbying in Washington as basically the Plains Indians' Token Evil Teammate) would all be excellent to fill out that cast on the heroes' side
SolipsistSerpent
Endlessly Devouring
If nothing else, he decided he needed to kill Hadrian and by the Emperor's order Hadrian spent all his time in the enemy base, probably never alone. While Brutus could theoretically have killed someone else first, every kill before Hadrian increased his odds of being caught before he could accomplish his primary goal. Better to take Hadrian, even if it meant his death, than kill several small fry and get accidentally caught early, given being caught would undo his stealth noble phantom and all it would take is someone walking in on a murder at the wrong time.
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Last I checked, Assassin and Caster seems to be a dumping ground for heroes with skills that cannot be made to fit into another class. There are skills that are suited to mass manipulation but no class dedicated to it. Many, many historical heroes (as opposed to mythic ones) were demagogues first, whatever other skills a distant second.
Assassination and stealth are arguably the lowest risk forms of combat, usually with the highest rewards. Generally opposing human societies operates on a strategic policy of negotiation first, then quiet sabotage and overt blackmail, with war being applied only if all else before fails. Those first two are business as usual, so spies, saboteurs and assassins are unlikely to have legends about it, but many famous warriors will have performed these tasks at some point in their lives.
I think only Mordred out of all the round table knights is unlikely to have done such things, if only because her life was so short and she was basically born with strength beyond the human norms. Ironically this justifies her having her noble phantasm, since it covers a glaring weakness in her life skills that the other knights don't have. Remember, in legend even Arthur used stealth skills, likely resulting in the noble phantasm Carnwennan being attached to his legend.
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The "Assassin and Caster for Heroic Spirits we don't know where to place" stereotype has honestly been pretty much eliminated in current FGO. This is because after years and years of newer and newer Servants getting classes that just play lip service to their class, you kind of stop making sense on who gets which class. As an example, there's Tai Gong Wang, who is a powerful Eastern mage who was crucial in taking down the Daji - aka the Nine Tail Fox, aka Tamamo - and sealing her into the Killing Stone. In fact, he's such a powerful mage that like Merlin, he's a candidate for Grand Caster.
But his in-game class is Rider. And yeah, I still kind of don't get how he got that class instead to this day.
And before anyone says that this is just current FGO, remember - the reason why we have "the Archer class is filled with Archers!" meme is because so many Archer servants don't bother with bows and the like, and it all started with EMIYA who literally uses swords more than his bow. Some don't even bother with projectiles, you can look at Asagami "WILL IT BEND" Fujino for that. And even in the Assassin and Caster classes, there are Servants that don't bother with stealth or magic, like Cleopatra and Xuanzang respectively.
Honestly at this point, Servant classes are more rule of thumb than anything. Servants can be of multiple classes, and even when logically being in a certain Class should deprive them of certain options, at this point this rule has been pretty much ignored. You have Riders capable of creating grand territories, Berserkers using magic, Archers that fight in melee, and Assassins that beat your face in with pure strength. Of course at the moment, Chaldea is still just about to figure that out...
She casts Fists. That is, respectfully, the oldest type of magic there ever was.
In all seriousness though, as a Buddhist monk her prayer can arguably be enough as anti-demon magic, but that won't fly in FGO. Xuanzang is also just such a big name next to That Monkey that it's kind of a waste not to do something with it. That said, as a Buddhist monk she really wouldn't fit into any other class except maybe Ruler (since Buddhist mindset is to release earthly desires), but Ruler has rules... that don't seem to matter anymore...
But that's neither here nor there. The FGO Xuanzang never met That Monkey and did the journey anyway, so she must have done something right. It's either Caster or we put her into Lancer on a very far stretch of her monk staff.
...I keep thinking King Hassan, but i'm not sure.
Either way, don't forget Lancers that don't really own a lance (Romulus and Melusine), Sabers that aren't known for their sword skills (Caeser and Jason), and Casters that don't really cast shit (Edison, Charles Babbage, and of course, Xuanzang - though she got that little golden bangle?).
There are two listed in Information. Unless you're talking about one of them? If so, which one?
Xerxes
Justice demands no less
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Florent's shortened chant (the only chant we hear really) is "Liberatio Angelus" in the Drama CD.
But its nothing to worry over really, this Lucius is more than likely not the same as Proto Lucius what's with the different secondary NP and all that.
But its nothing to worry over really, this Lucius is more than likely not the same as Proto Lucius what's with the different secondary NP and all that.
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
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Unfortunately, in Boudica's case, it doesn't really change anything. Her Rider incarnation may not possess Oblivion Correction, but she still can't let go of her hatred.
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Re:London, I've always felt that the idea of a bunch of casters working together was wasted. I mean, Mephistopheles, really? They should have used, you know, the guy known for leading projects to make a mega weapon. The servant who embodies the devastation and death of war.
Oppenheimer.
Oppenheimer.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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Wasn't it supposed to be a whole thing that modern humans don't really ever become Heroic Spirits? Like, past the 1800's, it just doesn't happen anymore, with EMIYA being an exception enabled due to being a Counter Guardian?
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So I guess you forgot how Nikola Tesla shows up near the end of that singularity to throw the lightning of Zeus at us. And Charles Babbage was there too. If I have to list every heroic spirit that breaks that 'rule' we'll be here awhile.
there are several examples of servants after the 1800's, it becomes harder and harder with time, but there are examples of servants from the 1900's. tesla for example died in 1943. it's just that after world war 2 it is practically impossible to do it the normal way.
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I'm not even sure I'd take moving the cutoff to WW2 seriously. Voyager is a Heroic Spirit. Yes, that's a very weird edge case, even by the standards of weird Fate edge cases, but still.
If the Big Daddy of modern electricity can make it in Mr I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds, the father of nuclear warfare can do it too. It'd be funny if he had the same "stole Fire from the gods" shtick Tesla and Drake (granted Drake was just a bit more literal) have going on, only instead of Lightning from Zeus or the Seas from Poseidon it was nuclear destruction from Vishnu. The Indian Servants would have complicated feelings about him. But ultimately mankind would have taken all that the gods once held for themselves, and at least this person was cultured enough to know and respect the god he looted with his scientific advancement, as well as the force he acquired by doing it.
That or Oppie is used as the human base for summoning the god himself. When asked "why him" he just replies "this man understood."
MHEmpire
A Little Atypical
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Remember that (IIRC) Taylor herself is set to become a Heroic Spirit when she dies, and she's very much post-War. Hell, I'm pretty sure her parents are post-War, unless I'm vastly misremembering their rough age range.
The 'no-WW2 and on' rule seems to have completely gone out the window. Maybe it's harder to get a Heroic Spirit from that time frame, but I'd put that down more to WW2 being so recent, and thus having (relatively) few potential Heroic Spirits compared to the all-encompassing mass that is literally every other part of human history, if just by law of averages alone.
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Plus they probably need some more time to set in their mystery so that they have some actual oomph to there stuff so as to be deemed useful for a given situation by the counter force shrugs
I'm prefacing this by saying that I've never played FGO, but the headcanon that I have is that you need the same level of "relative fame" that heroes had in the past in the area of their legends. Like a fame on Cu's level for the Irish, or Caesar for the Romans. Just that in the modern times, with the world becoming more and more connected, you need to both achieve that level of fame on a global level and have a deed that could be considered legendary despite the fading mystery. Something like giving electricity to man, creating a bomb capable of levelling cities or defeating a god-like entity who killed billions. Because, in the end, there are really few people with such great deeds renowned beyond their fields.
Ps. Again, this theory is purely based on the fan content that I consumed in light of the fact that I only watched 3 episodes of F/SN and nothing else.
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