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A random first-gen trigger is possible too. Though I feel it adds less weight to Taylor's presence in her life. Which the Author has constantly teased us about.
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Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
- Thread starter James D. Fawkes
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True, thinking it over, it might hitch a ride on the connection roman has to them, he can vaguely scan the area and can communicate with them. Might be enough of a hole for a shard to connect through. Assuming she then comes back, it'd have her as a host and be able to reconnect to her, as has been the case whenever a shard can't connect to its host in the past.
Edit: forgot, flauros straight up opens a portal through time and space to caldera with the grail doesn't he. Yeah it should be able to connect if she had one.
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Here we would need to determine how exactly the shards interact with the whole "the totality of human history was incinerated" thing. On one hand, well, everything's dead, so where is the shard supposed to come from. On the other hand, the Entities are from outside and enforce their own Laws on the Human Order. The shards dwell in dead timelines (which would have been culled under the normal rules), so maybe they are unaffected. If the shard is unaffected, the fact that the trigger happens in a singularity should be no problem; the shards' whole shtick is transdimensional interactions.
The whole timetravel thing could be a bigger problem, but timetravel is in fact possible for the Entities, even if not all shards can do it. Again on the other hand, the incineration of human history unmoores a lot of things, so maybe timetravel becomes easier for the shards too.
The whole timetravel thing could be a bigger problem, but timetravel is in fact possible for the Entities, even if not all shards can do it. Again on the other hand, the incineration of human history unmoores a lot of things, so maybe timetravel becomes easier for the shards too.
Like I noted just before your comment, lev lainer flauros straight up opens a portal through time and space to chaldea when he kills Olga, if there's a shard connected to her in the future that wasn't affected by humanity's annihilation, it should be able to connect to her and cause her to trigger to survive
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Butcher Shard: Howdy there new Best Friend! We're going to be together forever. Not even death will do us part. Meet my old Best Friends. *inarticulate insane mental screaming from 15 previous Butchers* They aren't my Best Friends for now because you are my new Best Friend.
By what I remember from Wildbow WOG, Souls are things that don't appear in any way in His story because He has no wish to use the concept in any way and thats the reason of why It doesn't come up, and by His word Shards can perceive abstract entities but not Interact with them.
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Could you maybe link or quote that WoG? Because I'm pretty sure the only thing he said about souls was "They aren't relevant to Worm".
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Windborne
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Just to add on to what @James D. Fawkes mentioned, there's not a lot he can change. Honestly? FGO is a story where the Stations of Canon are always going to be the only real way of handling the story up properly until the end of Part 1 (and I'm including Epic of Remnant in that).
Goetia has been planning the Incineration of Humanity for 3,000 years. Nothing can or will change the locations or time of each main Singularity. They'll always be in those spots. In fact it's a constant throughout the entire Nasuverse, this plan is happening in every version we've seen thus far from Tsukihime to Prillya. But FGO is the only place and time we see the plan come to fruition. Everywhere else something happens that throws off the plan, from Extra's and Prilya's worlds losing Mana, to the rise of the Dead Apostle Ancestors in Tsukihime barring the potential for Heroic Spirits to manifest. Arcueid explicitly mentions Goetia in I believe Melty Blood. So he's always been trying to pull off this plan.
If you hate writers sticking to Stations of Canon, and I honestly don't understand why some people think this way, you ought to just stop reading. You haven't added anything of value to the discussion yet, and it seems you came here to complain about a writer doing the sensible thing in regards to this story.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with sticking to the Stations on Canon. It's a problem when it is nonsensical or when it renders whatever changes the fanfic is based around as completely irrelevant.
The flipside of the coin is when the author makes changes for no reason aside from fiat.
All that said, it's the very first Arc. Give the story some breathing room before making judgment calls.
The flipside of the coin is when the author makes changes for no reason aside from fiat.
All that said, it's the very first Arc. Give the story some breathing room before making judgment calls.
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Personally, I'm all for canon if it's followed well. Just a good story from Taylor's perspective (and others respectives on the Taylorness) can redeem the first singularities, which were... ugh, some good ideas thrown out there to make you roll cool characters.
For example, I want my boy Arjuna the wanna-be celt to not become a fricking obsessed idiot when he sees Karna, or a Lalter that's more than a one-note final boss, or Hans roasting Taylor, etc...
And I want to see the author writing their story, regardless of my wishes. I think once we have more characters at play there will be more freedom in how certain things will play out both in fights and relationships, even if it doesn't change the first outcomes too much.
For example, I want my boy Arjuna the wanna-be celt to not become a fricking obsessed idiot when he sees Karna, or a Lalter that's more than a one-note final boss, or Hans roasting Taylor, etc...
And I want to see the author writing their story, regardless of my wishes. I think once we have more characters at play there will be more freedom in how certain things will play out both in fights and relationships, even if it doesn't change the first outcomes too much.
Suseiseki
Last Order Songstress
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Honestly fgo survived the few first months, due to the hype and the fujuki prologue, it wasnt until halfways in the arc that they managed to get a decent story and fix all the stupid Ui errors that plagued it.
That and the banners, some are complete useless but the hype to get them helped a lot.
Wondering if we will see something like muramasa and shirou with taylor, a maybe servant taylor could be nice.
That and the banners, some are complete useless but the hype to get them helped a lot.
Wondering if we will see something like muramasa and shirou with taylor, a maybe servant taylor could be nice.
Windborne
Devourer of Stories
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@James D. Fawkes has heavily implied that we won't be seeing an EMIYA and Shirou type of situation, and frankly it'd be boring. Servants, at least ones people can reliably summon, are highly limited by the Class Container they get summoned into unless they are a very strange servant like EMIYA who gets summoned as his entire self because he's a Counter-Guardian.
For someone like Taylor she qualifies for all sorts of classes, but they would all represent different points in her life as a Cape and Taylor would not interact well with another version of herself in almost all cases.
Plus @James D. Fawkes already has a Fic, Essence, where that's a thing and it happens to be completed. No real reason for it to occur in this story, plus like I said it'd be boring or be shoehorned in purely for drama without any other reason.
Blinktwice13
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Not to mention, that sort of speculation is probably moot? Fawkes said he's gotten at least seventeen chapters done, and is in Orleans. If I recall, Taylor gets her Servant near the end of Fuyuki or some such.
Now what I want to know is: how will Events be handled? Because the sheer contrast of Taylor as she is with something like Valentines' Day or, heaven forbid, GudaGuda...
Now what I want to know is: how will Events be handled? Because the sheer contrast of Taylor as she is with something like Valentines' Day or, heaven forbid, GudaGuda...
Found the quote about abstract entities, but not about the soul:
Yep.
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Windborne
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Given that the Events are Canon I'm hoping we see them in this story, cause they're kind of important. I think I had a post in the Essence thread detailing the why, but it boils down to during the Final Singularity the people we meet in the Events save Ritsuka and Mash from failing at the 11th hour. In addition they're also mini-singularities that need to be cleared out.
But really the main reason I want to see the Events in this story? To give Taylor the chance to grow past tunnel visioning "The Mission". It was one of her greatest faults in Worm, she was almost always so hyper focused on doing what she thought was right or necessary that she never got to interact with others in a meaningful way. The Events are a chance for her to grow past that, and become a more balanced person.
Plus seeing her get all flustered during Valentines or GudaGuda would be hilarious.
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Ah back when before Ritsuka didn't have to walk across all of France, Europe, America, Asia, and other stupidly long distances.
Seriously by the end of Part 1 the guy probably had some amazing ass legs.
Oh yeah definitely. I'll be honest he's what I image Jack Slash looking like if he was an anime character.
Suseiseki
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Not that I mean when a servant takes over the body of a person, like Ruler jeanne, muramasa shirou, ishtar Rin or Parvati sakura, incarnation I think is called.
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That doesn't say that they can't affect them, does it?
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You can have my friend code if you want, since I have RiderVinci.
James D. Fawkes
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I want her for myself. Double Castoria next year, and she was part of my future proofing for that.
Plus, her design is super cute.
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Pseudo-Servant, actually.
Servant -
The normal ones.
EMIYA, Medusa, Arash, Gilgamesh, Blackbeard, Elizabeth Bathory, Miyamoto Musashi, etc.
Shadow Servant -
'False echoes' of Servants, not fully summoned, and generally cannot use any NPs.
Tons and tons of these, potentially formed from any Servant.
Pseudo-Servant -
Servants summoned into the body of a living individual, with the closer the 'ideal' between them, the better the end results. HS generally takes control of the body to a large degree.
Waver, Ishtar, Ereshkigal, etc.
High Servant -
A Servant that is actually made up of several individual Heroic Spirits in a conglomerate 'composite' mass mind.
Moriarty, Sitonai, Scathach-Skadi, Lakshimibai, Meltryllis, etc. Sitonai is technically this and a Pseudo-Servant.
Grand Servant -
Seven Servants* meant to fight the Beasts of Humanity. Potentially can OHKO any/all other Servants, but have to cast away their 'Grand' status (temporarily until unsummoned) to do so.
King Hassan, Super Orion, Romulus-Quirinius, Solomon (ex-Grand Caster), etc.
Demi-Servant -
Similar to a Pseudo-Servant, except that the HS does NOT override the body's mind, and instead the body/soul/mind of the host body is fully in control.
Mash is the sole confirmed one in FGO, although Grey potentially is an Assassin Pseudo-Servant, as she might be hosting the spirit of Artoria[Assassin], who also has Carnwennan.
Card Servant -
Cards that allow an individual to briefly possess the powers, skills/abilities, and even Noble Phantasm, of whatever Heroic Spirit is 'printed' on the Card. EXTREMELY unique circumstances.
Currently only known to exist within the Prisma timeline. Anyone possessing one can briefly become something similiar to a Demi-Servant, but with minimal mental bleed over.
* Potentially there is a Grand for every Class, but Nasu isn't saying jack about any beyond the 'normal' seven.
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I think that If they could, Wildbow would have told us, all that he said about abstract entities is that shards like the eye ( AKA Ptv) can simulate them but that don't mean they can Interact with them directly
A basic rule of thumb is if [insert species here] can do it then Entities have the potential, and can very likely do it better given a bit of study time. The Entities are very intelligent and very imaginative contrary to popular fanon, but they aren't particularly wise as a result of being so thoroughly superior to most of creation. Remember Eden got engrossed with her new toy and crashed into Earth because she was driving distracted, and Zion got so caught up in his human like emotions that he let himself get killed despite having a perfect PtV power hooked to an autopilot that automatically activates when he's about to be hit with something that truly threatens him. (Those Annette and Danny parallels had to be intentional on Wildbow's part)
eh, i don't really get the argument that entities are litteraly anti-thetical to magic, cause odds are they just haven't encountered it before and that's the reason they don't do it. Cause like, sure they only work through science, but there's no rule that they can't sense or interact with magic, hell the wog says PTV can path magic. unless the series where the magic comes from is litteraly running on different logic than normal logic, entities should be able to interact with it like any other being. And no i don't think wildbow would have told us, cause it'd be entirely pointless, magic isn't and never will be a thing in his parahuman series, so why would he bother with it. Beyond vague comments in regards to death battles and what if scenarios.
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