Hereafter [Worm x Fate/Grand Order]
- Thread starter James D. Fawkes
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Really can't blame the Servant of bailing on Waver, he seriously need some shut eyes. Assuming his identity is the one I am thinking of anyway, the guy been working harder than a kid with multiple Asian Tiger Moms projecting overly hard on him.
Now I wondering the only reason why he bailed is because he decided to switch genre to this:
Now I wondering the only reason why he bailed is because he decided to switch genre to this:
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Taylor is the kind of Master to abuse Zhuge Liang's abilities at the soonest opportunity. If she was overjoyed over Shakespeare's supportive capabilities, Zhuge's will have her outright salivating.
Still, I wonder if this means that Iskandar/Alexander hadn't been summoned on the enemy side if he's here. After all, it's where he first debuted in the original Singularity.
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How the heck would they control him?
Finagle007
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Waver's just lucky Olga's currently out of action. Imagine her reaction when she wakes up and finds a Clocktower Lord looming over her.
He's also lucky Reines hasn't shown up yet, of course.
He's also lucky Reines hasn't shown up yet, of course.
Nitramy
Love! Snow! Really Magic
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Would have been a trillion times funnier if
turned out to be the court mage, just for the
to be completed in these circumstances, with all the hilarity infused therein.
Still, though, the ever-overworked Waver being part of Nero's group? I hope he gets summoned into Chaldea properly in the future.
Tamamo
turned out to be the court mage, just for the
Fate/EXTRA trio
to be completed in these circumstances, with all the hilarity infused therein.
Still, though, the ever-overworked Waver being part of Nero's group? I hope he gets summoned into Chaldea properly in the future.
EMIYA had better be part of the Servants sent to Babylonia, too. It would be absolutely amazing to see how he reacts to a certain defenseless goddess Keijo'ing Ritsuka, and the reveal of Ereshkigal.
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huh, thought pseudo-servants' whole deal was the host not being in control and it's a merger at best, the demi servants are different specifically cause the host is in control and have a human (if massively augmented) body.
James D. Fawkes
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I went back and reread the relevant sections of Waver's interludes for this, so yeah. Lore from those says that Pseudo and Demi-Servants are essentially identical in terms of results, even if the process is different.
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Waver kind of is in a weird spot, since unlike pretty much all the other Pseudos that aren't just the character themselves (like Shiki and Fujino), Zhuge Liang just outright decided to leave everything to Waver before going to sleep. In comparison, fellow Chinese tactician Sima Yi took a more active role in helping Reines in her Pseudo status.
There isn't really much controlling involved if I recall correctly. In the Rome Singularity, all the enemy Emperors are pretty much just doing their own thing, it's just that as an emperor herself, Nero really just can't allow them to stay and challenge her authority unless she was willing to lose her own place.
Kadmus
Dragon's teeth are surprisingly hard to sow
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Her face will be 'extremely confused', because Waver is not a Clocktower Lord in the FGO timeline. I'm not sure Waver even graduated from the Clocktower in the FGO timeline; I'm not sure he even exists. She certainly won't recognise him, because without the HGW and interaction with Alexander to catalyse him, he remains a shitty loser bitter failure kid who probably gets offed by Kayneth for some minor slight.
Reines probably isn't the heir in the FGO timeline, either, due to the fact that the Fourth HGW didn't happen so Kayneth El-Melloi may well still be around, married, and with kids. There's some indications she might at least exist (mostly the Olga and Reines kiddie tea time Craft Essence but it's probably a reference to the Case Files timeline not the FGO one), though, but these aren't reliable.
(Emiya Shirou absolutely literally doesn't exist in the FGO timeline, for reference.)
Again, the 'only one HGW' history of FGO means that a load of characters that exist in other timelines probably don't. And if some of them did, a lot of them probably got merked in said single HGW.
Windborne
Devourer of Stories
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Fun chapter as always, though it's weird the Twins also got Aife's dream as well.
Generally that's true. Jaguar Warrior is mainly taking the form of Taiga, and getting the occasional flash of clumsiness or zaniness from her, so let's put her at 95% Jaguar and 5% Taiga. Ishtar and Ereshkilgal are mostly just themselves but they actually are moderately influenced by Rin. It's to the point that Ishtar isn't a raging bitch 90% of the time, and Ereshkigal is more proactive and willing to reach out to others. So let's put them at 70% Themselves and 30% Rin. Waver and Reines are actually odd in that they are pretty much completely in 100% control of their respective powers rather than the Servant themselves. Zhuge Liang and Sima Yi pretty much foisted their powers and expertise off on the two and skedaddled to the point that they're essentially Demi-Servants, but are completely made of Spiritrons rather than occupying actual flesh like Mash is.
Generally that's true. Jaguar Warrior is mainly taking the form of Taiga, and getting the occasional flash of clumsiness or zaniness from her, so let's put her at 95% Jaguar and 5% Taiga. Ishtar and Ereshkilgal are mostly just themselves but they actually are moderately influenced by Rin. It's to the point that Ishtar isn't a raging bitch 90% of the time, and Ereshkigal is more proactive and willing to reach out to others. So let's put them at 70% Themselves and 30% Rin. Waver and Reines are actually odd in that they are pretty much completely in 100% control of their respective powers rather than the Servant themselves. Zhuge Liang and Sima Yi pretty much foisted their powers and expertise off on the two and skedaddled to the point that they're essentially Demi-Servants, but are completely made of Spiritrons rather than occupying actual flesh like Mash is.
Finagle007
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Ishtar explicitly stated that her current personality was 70% Ishtar and 30% Rin, so Ereshkigal is probably the same. Reines is a bit different from Waver, though; Sima Yi occasionally takes over, as noted by her eyes turning red and voice getting deeper.
Bazett is perfectly balanced between herself and Manannán Mac Lir, 50/50. Rasputin was in 100% control during Russia, but once Ivan awoke, he explicitly handed over the reins to Kirei, leaving him in total control. Astraea is unknown, but probably the same ratio as Ishtar and Ereshkigal, given Luvia's relationship with Rin.
Incidentally, Erice's situation would actually be a better fit for the title "Demi-Servant" than Mash's situation, since she's literally a demi-Servant the same way Heracles is a demi-god; Erice's mother was the goddess Izanami, summoned as a Servant. Mash gets the label because she came first; otherwise, Mash would be the "Quasi-Servant".
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While Erice's Mother was a Servant, wasn't she incarnated, and thus turned into a regular human being, before getting pregnant or something?
Finagle007
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We don't know. Given that Erice's dad had a grail - along with everyone else in that world other than Erice herself - her mom may not have needed to incarnate. Also, you forgot the bit where her mom is Izanami - a goddess, not a human, never a human.
Don't forget that while Jaguar man is in control of their body they have/use Taiga's personality on the whole.
I'd put it more like 20% taiga due to Jaguar man having her personality but still having the divine spirit be in control.
It's actually pretty weird now that I think about it.
Stahor
BookWorm
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There also Parvati and Muramasa.
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Also hilarious: Jaguar Warrior has Madness Enhancement as a skill, but not because of Jaguar as much as Taiga's sheer force of personality kicking in. There's also the really high Luck stat - and I kid you not here - but it's explicitly because of Taiga and it's actually lower than it should be because literal Divinity is not as lucky as Taiga who somewhat canonically has been stated to stumble into somehow saving the world from time to time.
James D. Fawkes
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Waver actually does exist in non-FSN/Zero timelines, and he even becomes Lord El-Melloi II. The details are vague and sketchy at best, but he and Kayneth get into the same tiff, then Waver and Kayneth go off to one of those imitation Grail Wars that happens occasionally, Kayneth dies somehow (because he underestimated the competition, I guess?), and Waver gets shanghaied into being his replacement for essentially the same reason. It happens in Apocrypha that way, so it's entirely possible — even likely — that it happened in FGO somehow too.
"Emiya" Shirou doesn't exist in FGO's timeline, but the boy who would have become him definitely does, and probably lives an ordinary life, much like a certain version in the magical girl storyline. I wonder what that means about Kiritsugu, though? Maybe he stumbled across one of those imitation Grail Wars himself, but he's almost certainly not in the employ of the Einzbern.
Speaking of, it's a crying shame that Kerry doesn't get a costume in-game that dresses him in his Zero era outfit. Missed opportunity, dev team.
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Oh shit hey Waver!
Welp she's still not in the greatest of moods
Oh this is just great
Oh man they would get along like a house on fire
Transgender genius who wanted to be summoned as a beautiful woman
Standard MalexFemale relationships are tyranny
Free love for everyone!
Isiri Pudireach
Predictive text can go duck itself
Doesn't help that the event most likely to give it was the one he got introduced in. And may have been before Spiritron Dresses were a thing.
Oh yeah, I forgot that Taiga has EX ranked Luck and saved the world like 3 times.
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I would like to note that this gives more credence to Taylor's belief that Emiya is from the modern Era.
She's already guessed based on his cough about the birth certificate thing. Now, a HGW Master has stated that he knew him while he was alive.
Hope Waver goes back with them, just for the Hijinks of having people from the MA dealing with him existing.
She's already guessed based on his cough about the birth certificate thing. Now, a HGW Master has stated that he knew him while he was alive.
Hope Waver goes back with them, just for the Hijinks of having people from the MA dealing with him existing.
SolipsistSerpent
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Well, there's the little detail that the Mages' Association doesn't exist in Ancient Rome, unlike Chaldea's time, which should make things a lot easier for him than you.
BanzEye
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I just finished browsing Code Geass, so I just got the image of Kiritsugu wearing Zero's outfit instead of just, you know, normal Kiritsugu. Watch out, Japan, Kiritsugu of the Rebellion has come…has come to…*snorts* oh God I can't finish that without laughing! *laughs at image of
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In Apocrypha the knock offs start up as a result of the Grail getting stolen cause the Matou get wiped out since Zouken fought to the death to try and stop the grail being stolen which is probably the best end for him and the Tohsaka give up on it and switch to magical martial arts. Due to this info on it like it being a valid path to the root leaked which is why people started trying to copy it but only managed sub standard ones that summon 4-6 servants with saber always being the first class missing. In the fgo timeline there was only the one holy grail war so there wouldn't be the knock offs.
Shirou also exists in Apocrypha similar to the prillya one as a normal person who has the interest of Rin and Luvia because the Edelfelts adopt Sakura instead of the Matou. As for Kayneth dying we know that the Assassin's dominated these knock offs at the start until the newer magi started pooling info on the Hassan's and worked out counter strategies but even if it was after this Kayneth would probably not use it so he could have just gotten taken out by one of them.