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Harry Potter and the Skittering Spouse

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Frakir's brother said:
1v1, guns rule. In a full battle, a gunner can just pick off targets when they go for an offensive spell. And that's with just one modern weapon type.
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1v1, guns rule, but only if the wizard acts like a moron. Admittedly, that proves true most of the time in canon, so unless wizarding britain are actually able (and willing!) to collectively train wisdom, this would continue to be true most of the time. Some exceptions.
 
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I would like to point out that there is plenty of evidence of enchanted objects with various effects that range from millenia long lasting to effects that need to be maintained regularly:
  • The 4 founder relics, (Gryffindor's sword always returns to the Sorting Hat when a Gryffindor has need of it (as both Neville and Harry demonstrated at different points), Slytherin's Locket can only be opened via Parseltongue and was described by Hepzibah Smith as having "all kinds of powers" though she couldn't access them due to not being a Parselmouth, Helga's Cup's powers are unknown but are mentioned to exist as possibly food-related, and the Ravenclaw Diadem was said to enhance the wisdom of its wearer. Then finally we have the most famous example of a founder relic of them all that every witch and wizard in the United Kingdom has come into contact with The Sorting Hat itself, which is still working perfectly 1000 years after its creation with no sign of degration.
  • 2 of the Deathly Hallows are powerful enchanted objects that are have been around and still work perfectly about 800+ years after they were created. One of them still worked even after being exposed to basilisk venom via the sword, The Ressurection Stone and the Invisiblity Cloak.
  • The Mirror of Erised (according to Pottermore, was made sometime in the 19th Century so it's at least around 90-100 years old to possibly 190-200 years old at the oldest)
  • The Hogwarts Express, the Knight Bus, the Beauxbatons Carriage, the Drumstrang Ship, Sirius'Black's Motorcycle, and
  • Arthur Weasley's Flying Ford Anglia are examples of enchanted vehicles.
  • Numerous enchanted items that have lasted for years to decades or more as we don't know their exact ages: The Weasley Clock, Alastor Moody's Eye, Dumbledore's Deluminator, The Marauder's Map, The Two-Way Mirrors, The Vanishing Cabniets, Moody's 7-compartment Trunk, Newt Scamander's Suitcase, Pensieves, Brooms, Flying carpets, The Hand of Glory owned by Draco Malfoy, etc.
  • Lesser Enchanted Items: The Weasley Twins created numerous enchanted items for their buisness, even defensive items embued with protection charms. Though these items along with a lot of similar items sold in other places do tend to lose their power overtime without regular maintence IIRC. Examples of the Weasley Twin's items are: The Headless Hat creates a limited field of invisibility that covers the wearer's head, giving them the appearance of not having a head. The Shield Hat, which deflects minor hexes and curses. Though Fred and George design the Shield Hat to be a trick item, Ministry officials are impressed by its practical value and order 500 of them for the protection of the Aurors. Shield Cloaks and Shield Gloves are also on sale following the Shield Hat's success(showing that clothing can be enchanted with defensive purposes in mind). Portable Swamps, Decoy Detonators, Extendable Ears, etc.
  • Other lesser enchanted items: Sneak-O-Scopes, Foe-Glass, Dark Dectectors, the DA coins, Hermione's Bag, Wizarding Tents, Wizard Chess Sets, Gobstones, Invisiblity Cloaks, Portkeys, etc.
So as you can see there are plenty of canon examples of Enchanted Items, and even items like the Weasley Twins items that can impart protection spells into clothing, though enchantment of clothing was established with the invisiblity cloak's appearence in the first book.

Though looking at the enchanted items in the series as a whole, an enchanted item's effects, how long they last, and the durability/quality of said items is largely dependant on the individual skills and knowledge of the one(s) making it.

So while one could make the case that while Enchanted Items could possibly be made to deal with firearms/bullets (an example being arresto momentum against fast moving objects like bullets toward the wearer), the quality and effectiveness of said items would be dependant on who made them and how skilled they were.

Price, I imagine would also be a limiting factor since a skilled or master craftsman would charge you varying rates ranging from affordable to expensive depending on the quality and effects of the items in question and how difficult they were to make.
 
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Fencer said:
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Fair enough, honestly my last thought on the matter is that they should be relatively equal in terms of "power". Both have advantages, both have disadvantages. Taylor will likely be the sole gun user in this Fic since she knows how to use guns somewhat, but Magic can be used to replicate the effects of such things pretty easily so I imagine she won't be successfully advocating to the DA and Order to take up firearms. Not that she needs to, her greatest asset is her tactical and strategic mind.

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Yeah enchanted objects tend to be pretty permanent with very little to no maintenance required. The one exception to that rule is regular invisibility cloaks, but those seem to be made improperly and/or with inferior materials. But given they work for a few years even then, it's something the Wizarding World really doesn't give a fuck about. Which tracks with their attitude towards everything really. And the skill that they're made with does really matter.
 
Fencer said:
So let me see if I can boil this down at all, and that is not an invitation to continue this afterwords. I cannot remember any scene in the books in which shield spells are used to stop physical attacks.
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The metric the books use is "whatever the plot requires".

For your story, the way I see it playing out is Taylor is asking all of these questions about a shield charm failing under repeated physical impacts, absorption/redirection, exponential decay, time to cast, etc etc...


...and Ron, Harry, Hermione and company HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA.
 
Hey, maybe the author can do whatever the heck he wants with it and so long as the story is internal consistent then that is how the magic works in the story, since large parts of Harry Potter books themselves don't make sense if later introductions had been around since the start of the story.

Much less the Statue as a global phenomen given that not all parts of the world in our own history has treated magic as Europe did. (IE, the is no reason for Sub-Saharan Africa to go along unless they were forced to by European mages that arrive alongside European colonization)
 
Taylor: [Asks completely logical and reasonable questions about the practical nature of magic.]
Magicals: Fuck if I know, wand go sparky sparky!

(Seriously [Laughter from the afterlife.] magicals are stupid lil' shits. I doubt they understand half of how their power even works.)
 
Miho Chan said:
Ah yes, ye old "Canon say so so this author's fanfic is bad" the argument. Fencer has stated that in his version of Harry Potter guns will break shields. Ergo, guns break shields. End of story. You cannot have things both ways guys. If you're here to read a fanfic, read the damn fanfic without nitpicking about the lore.
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I only started reading the comments after the first post on OPs thoughts on Guns and Shield magic, but it seems like they aren't calling the fic bad. They are saying OP is blatantly wrong about the Shield charm according to various 'canonical' sources.
If the OP wants to ignore those, fine.
Plenty of other Potterfics ignore them too.
Granted, most of those stories are on Fanfiction . net. Not a lot of good reader feedback on that site.

Regardless.
The Shield spell according to how various people used it in the books, Harry, Hermione, the Twins, can be used a few ways.
Enchantment onto an item like a hat, for a constant shield.
Laying it down as a standalone spell you can walk away from, like Hermione casting it on the entrance to the Tent in deathly hallows.
Finally, the various shapes to defend yourself.
That last one is a 'sustained' spell.
Meaning you have to continuously hold the spell.

If Taylor wants to carry a gun, let her.
If someone gets a shield up before she can shoot them, well she has bugs. Have them bite, swarm or anything that disrupts their concentration on the spell and THEN she can shoot them.
I mean it's not like Taylor isn't familiar with Parahumans with Shields.
She has fought New Wave a few times.

After all, only the Bubble version of the Shield spell would prevent her from sneaking bugs on them.
And that version seems a little advanced for all but the best fighters among magicals.
 
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Wow, someone had an objection to terminology, enchanted Vs charmed, and it resulted in this much 'discussion'?
 
Guys there is an easy end to all this debating and speculation.
Powers=bullshit
Magic=shenanigans
Fencer=God

Seriously people this story at least to me is more about interactions and humans elements not about what can trump what because blah blah blah.

If shields block bullets then Tay uses her skitter methods of overwhelm and a loud gun becomes an item of opportunity and also shock and awe.

If shields don't then Tay has the ultimate shield breaker and battles with her become far more mobile and frantic.

The detail does not matter nearly as much as the fact that she is the queen of escalation and will use what she learns and knows to totally ruin everyone's day.
 
Rob27003 said:
Guys there is an easy end to all this debating and speculation.
Powers=bullshit
Magic=shenanigans
Fencer=God

Seriously people this story at least to me is more about interactions and humans elements not about what can trump what because blah blah blah.

If shields block bullets then Tay uses her skitter methods of overwhelm and a loud gun becomes an item of opportunity and also shock and awe.

If shields don't then Tay has the ultimate shield breaker and battles with her become far more mobile and frantic.

The detail does not matter nearly as much as the fact that she is the queen of escalation and will use what she learns and knows to totally ruin everyone's day.
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Hard magic is better than soft magic as it allows one to solve narrative problems. The more the rules are established, the more you can solve problems without it being utterly arbitrary. Thus fencer following the rules established in the original text, or establishing their own replacements.
 
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RealOtto said:
You just gave me the image of Taylor destroying Horcruxes with a pencil..
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I could imagine attempting sunlight and a magnifying sheet. It might or might not succeed, but it wouldn't hurt to try. Similarly, liquid nitrogen and a hammer, or a microwave oven or an autoclave or anything else which "Secrets of the Darkest Art" didn't explicitly suggest protecting a horcrux against.

Four of Tom's horcruxes were partly metal, then running enough amps of electricity through one might be an option to melt one without needing fiendfyre.

Basically, try everything!
 
"Please, for the love of all that is good and kind in the world, just kill me already!" - Last words of the Lockett Horcrux before finally being destroyed after several months of experimentation that the Potters enjoyed far too much.
 
Guns vs. Magic: Ambusher wins, in open duel skill wins.
But i want to bring two mostly opposed points.
1. For the guns, there a long history of training to draw it fast.
Now, for Taylor guns always were backup-backup tool, so i do not her expect to be particularly proficient with quick-draw. However, she has distinct advantage of extending proprioception beyond her human body. So
a) Is there evidence that quick-draw is a thing for wizards?
b) Is it practical (for Taylor) to ask for invisible holster and gun and "open carry", so she has fast option when someone goes for their wand?

2. One of the more impressive things that mostly ignored is offensive transfiguration.
Article:
"Mrs Weasley entered the room just in time to see Ron throw the sprout knife at Fred, who had turned it into a paper aeroplane with one lazy flick of his wand."

It's somewhat doubtful that there are specific spell for it, that twins trained to instant non-verbal level.
This means that transfiguration are mostly free-flow and fast.
So you don't really need specific spells, when you can with flick of a wand transform enemy clothing to air (kills momentum for most people).. and then there harmful substances and objects.
I would imagine Taylor would have Questions and Ideas if she sees this kind of thing while couch-surfing.
 
Maybe this was already covered somewhere earlier, but I'm quite curious where Taylor will be living during this upcoming school year. Like, is she going to get a house in Hogsmeade? Allowed to live in the castle despite being neither student nor staff?

Not to mention that Harry's going to be walking into his sixth year of classes and explaining that YES, he's actually married; NO, it's not a joke; YES, she probably WOULD kill you if she thought it necessary; NO, she's not jealous exactly; but NO, he cannot cheat on her without risking the marriage contract suddenly deciding to hurt him for it.
 
Pretty sure they need to stay within like 600 meters of each other until they, ah, consummate the marriage? So Taylor will be attending Hogwarts with Harry until then.
 
Stahor said:
a) Is there evidence that quick-draw is a thing for wizards?
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Maybe, but compared to a gun, it probably takes about the same amount of time to draw a pistol, remove the safety, and cock it (or pull back a slide) that it does to draw a wand, use the wand movements and say the incantation.
When both are holstered they are probably about equal, but when both are in hand, the gun will be faster as long as the safety is off and the finger is on the trigger guard (NEVER on the trigger until you are aimed and ready to fire, doing otherwise invites "friendly" fire incidents.).
 
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SlickRCBD said:
but compared to a gun, it probably takes about the same amount of time to draw a pistol, remove the safety, and cock it (or pull back a slide) than it does to draw it, use the wand movements and say the incantation.
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Without getting into gun geek territory, there are multiple models that allow you to safely carry loaded gun, and bypass removing safety as separate action with things like grip and trigger safety.
On the wands side, serious question - where are they carried? Is there belt holster? Shoulder holster? I think i seen in fanfiction bracer that goes under wide robe sleeves, but is it canon? Do people just carry them in pockets?
 
Stahor said:
Without getting into gun geek territory, there are multiple models that allow you to safely carry loaded gun, and bypass removing safety as separate action with things like grip and trigger safety.
On the wands side, serious question - where are they carried? Is there belt holster? Shoulder holster? I think i seen in fanfiction bracer that goes under wide robe sleeves, but is it canon? Do people just carry them in pockets?
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Some people carry them in their back pocket, which according to Mad-Eye Moody (or the Fake Moody, I forget when it was said) is dangerous. Luna carries hers behind her ear like a pencil. I don't recall any other clear examples of where a wand is carried when not in hand.
 
In book 4, Harry is shown to just pull his (poorly maintained) wand out of his robe pocket. It is likely that most Wix have similar methods.
 
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