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Harry Potter and the Skittering Spouse

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Childe Roland said:
This really says more about the attitude of the magical world and it's treatment of squibs. For a long time just about all squibs apparently got killed, so they wouldn't have had a chance to know if squibs could have magical children or not.
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Nice idea, but I'm pretty sure it would 'leak', pretty quickly. Magicals live a long time. Their communities seem generally pretty small. Hanging around the edges of your previous magical community, even if you were ignored - I can see that happening.

So, your children doing accidental magic? That's not going to be ignored. Magicals will recall your parents, their grandparents, were magical. Magicals may be a bit... slow, but someone would very likely notice, sooner or later.

If magic skipped two generations? Much less chance that'd be noticed. Those children have four grandparents, after all, and likely have nothing to do with any magical community.

How might all this affect Taylor? Past a certain point, she's going to be thinking about children, at least in the abstract. And, will want to know what the odds are of her children being magicals.

And, of course they will be, because if the common girl marries the magical prince, of course her children will be magical! :)
('Common'. Taylor. As if. :) )
 
Fencer said:
Also please give me your thoughts! Because Azkaban is now dementor less the prison is far less secure. What should the government response to captured death eaters be?
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Bit late but one thought came to mind that actually has canon connections about how to imprison Death Eaters or any number of beings.

Trap them in a Mirror (or possibly a painting like seen in Ronald Dahl's Witches...god that Erika painting scene was chilling) with specific means of entering or exiting the mirror. In the very first book, Dumbledore's protection was able to stump Quirrel and Voldemort from getting the Philosopher's Stone inside the Mirror of Erised.

Now work that enchantment reworked to contain Death Eaters inside a mirror (or painting) trapped unless certain conditions are met and if the mirror breaks they are lost forever. Food and Drink can go into the mirror but nothing can come out, so no escaping by trying to grab the jailer trying to feed you as their arm would be released as soon as you tried to pull yourself out while the mirrors/painting's surface prevented you from leaving.
 
MKS002 said:
Now work that enchantment reworked to contain Death Eaters inside a mirror (or painting) trapped unless certain conditions are met and if the mirror breaks they are lost forever. Food and Drink can go into the mirror but nothing can come out, so no escaping by trying to grab the jailer trying to feed you as their arm would be released as soon as you tried to pull yourself out while the mirrors/painting's surface prevented you from leaving.
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Bit of a tricky one...

Paintings in the core books are fake worlds, which can have images of beings with some apparent knowledge of their lives and self-will - they may be linked, in interesting ways. Trapping the essence of DEs in paintings of them is quite a nice idea, but, odds are you'd still be stuck with something like their lifeless body, outside, that needs storing somewhere?

Mirror realms is likely more thorough, but those tend to be limited, in some way, not somewhere you can stick the living in, indefinitely. You'd need a pretty deep hole for all the end result of the food you shoved in, is a minor niggle. Mirrors are also likely expensive and difficult to make, if you want one per DE. Obvious issues of multiple per mirror. Also, I'm guessing they don't have their wands in the mirror with them, and/or the mirror realm is magic-free.

Minor details include whether sound can go through the mirror surface, what responsibility is there for the health, physical or mental, of the prisoners, whether the air in there is renewed magically, or refreshed by flows through the mirror surface, whether if someone dies in a mirror their soul is trapped there...

Them not needing food&drink, and not aging, are common characteristics of mirror realms (in other stories; who knows what the JKR cut would be?). Also, if that's the case, ancient mirrors with long-imprisoned magicals should be around, somewhere... And records/stories of such...

Interesting ideas...
 
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Ace Dreamer said:
Paintings in the core books are fake worlds, which can have images of beings with some apparent knowledge of their lives and self-will - they may be linked, in interesting ways. Trapping the essence of DEs in paintings of them is quite a nice idea, but, odds are you'd still be stuck with something like their lifeless body, outside, that needs storing somewhere?
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You misunderstand on this part, I wasn't talking about trapping the essence, but throwing them body and all into a painting via a spell similar to the one on the Mirror of Erised then add some way of tossing them food and drink into the painting realm.

As for making them? I imagine it wouldn't take much more than repurposing an existing mirror/painting before adding the nessasary enchantments, like most Wizards do with things.

Another interesting thought was that both methods can be used to detain prisoners for interrogation without them having a means of escape.
 
MKS002 said:
Another interesting thought was that both methods can be used to detain prisoners for interrogation without them having a means of escape.
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Making sure they don't have a wand, backup or otherwise, would seem wise. Also, using wandless magic to escape via another mirror (maybe a pre-prepared one, in a safe house?) is the sort of dirty trick that might occur, after a while...

Transport-via-mirror might be something new, to the Wizarding World, after a bit...

Something worth considering? The heroes might find their enemies using this trick on them. One reason it's a good idea to ask all the questions about how such things work?

MKS002 said:
via a spell similar to the one on the Mirror of Erised
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While I like the idea, there's no guarantee that more than a small, non-living, object could go in/out the mirror. Even worse, maybe the object needs to be really major magic, itself, to pull this trick off. We just don't know. Everything else going on is images, derived from mind/emotion reading.

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Possibly amusing idea? The technology to make large, high-quality, sheets of glass, cheaply, is relatively new (1950s): float glass. Does using float-glass mirrors from mundane sources count as 'Misuse of Muggle Artefacts'? :)
 
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MKS002 said:
You misunderstand on this part, I wasn't talking about trapping the essence, but throwing them body and all into a painting via a spell similar to the one on the Mirror of Erised then add some way of tossing them food and drink into the painting realm.

As for making them? I imagine it wouldn't take much more than repurposing an existing mirror/painting before adding the nessasary enchantments, like most Wizards do with things.

Another interesting thought was that both methods can be used to detain prisoners for interrogation without them having a means of escape.
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The prisoners escaping on their own is IMO not really the problem. Securing a wizard by taking their wand and locking them in a cell with the appropriate protections seems pretty effective. I think only Sirius is shown to have escaped on his own...

The actual problem is that the allies of the people you locked up may try to free them. If they are stuck in a painting or mirror then they'll go to where the mirror is and free them or take the object to free them later. So you need a location you can either keep secret or secure reliably all the time. Neither of those are easy against the Death Eaters and given the rather compromised Magical Government.
 
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FullNothingness said:
The prisoners escaping on their own is IMO not really the problem. Securing a wizard by taking their wand and locking them in a cell with the appropriate protections seems pretty effective. I think only Sirius is shown to have escaped on his own...

The actual problem is that the allies of the people you locked up may try to free them. If they are stuck in a painting or mirror then they'll go to where the mirror is and free them or take the object to free them later. So you need a location you can either keep secret or secure reliably all the time. Neither of those are easy against the Death Eaters and given the rather compromised Magical Government.
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Or just transfigure them into cans of spam and store them somewhere: veratsvel spami or something probably works.

Happened in a fic I once read (it was a crackfic though)
 
Martin Bajar said:
Or just transfigure them into cans of spam and store them somewhere
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How well would turning them into miniature lead figures of themselves do?

Should store indefinitely, and, only risk is war-gamers getting their hands on them. :)
(If they ever get turned back, they might be upset if they've been 'modified to make them more interesting'.)

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And, I still think one of my previous suggestions has a... certain merit. I don't in any way claim it is nice...
 
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FullNothingness said:
If they are stuck in a painting or mirror then they'll go to where the mirror is and free them or take the object to free them later.
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Problem with that is, if this is the reworked spell that effectively stumped Voldemort, due to the conditions set to release whatever is placed in the Mirror/Painting, then even if they try to move the thing or free them one of two outcomes would likely occur.

1) They can't free the person due to the conditions being unable to be fufilled for freeing the subject and get caught themselves. (Remember, even Voldemort himself, a prodigy at Magic was stumped by how to get pass the enchantment this would be based on and was about to resort to breaking it before deciding to use Harry) And can't take the mirror/painting, due to it being permenantly stuck to a wall, like Walburga Black's painting was.

2) The mirror/painting is anchored to the spot preventing theft and alerting the guards. In fact, this could be a good way to bait other Death Eaters or other criminals into traps trying to free their commrades. Then get caught and given the same treatment. A cycle occurs for a while until they finally wise up to the situation.
 
You can't reuse it, but. Take a random location. Have a terminally ill wizard become secret keeper. Only inform the captured Death Eaters, before giving them Draught of the living Death and putting them in said location.

Once the terminally ill wizard is dead, the Death Eaters under stasis become the only secret keepers. Ergo, no one can find them and they will never get the antidote

Granted, you might as well kill them as it would be functionally the same thing
 
MKS002 said:
Problem with that is, if this is the reworked spell that effectively stumped Voldemort, due to the conditions set to release whatever is placed in the Mirror/Painting, then even if they try to move the thing or free them one of two outcomes would likely occur.

1) They can't free the person due to the conditions being unable to be fufilled for freeing the subject and get caught themselves. (Remember, even Voldemort himself, a prodigy at Magic was stumped by how to get pass the enchantment this would be based on and was about to resort to breaking it before deciding to use Harry) And can't take the mirror/painting, due to it being permenantly stuck to a wall, like Walburga Black's painting was.

2) The mirror/painting is anchored to the spot preventing theft and alerting the guards. In fact, this could be a good way to bait other Death Eaters or other criminals into traps trying to free their commrades. Then get caught and given the same treatment. A cycle occurs for a while until they finally wise up to the situation.
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These might be interesting considerations but even if these are possible there is still a major vulnerability in that you would presumably have multiple people in law enforcement that knew how to free people from said object. And with the imperius curse and veritaserum being things that leaves an obvious opening. Whoever knows the trick ends up with big target on their back.

Martin Bajar said:
You can't reuse it, but. Take a random location. Have a terminally ill wizard become secret keeper. Only inform the captured Death Eaters, before giving them Draught of the living Death and putting them in said location.

Once the terminally ill wizard is dead, the Death Eaters under stasis become the only secret keepers. Ergo, no one can find them and they will never get the antidote

Granted, you might as well kill them as it would be functionally the same thing
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Yeah, the problem isn't really the magic. There are magical options. The issue is that to imprison the Death Eaters you need people who can access them.
 
FullNothingness said:
These might be interesting considerations but even if these are possible there is still a major vulnerability in that you would presumably have multiple people in law enforcement that knew how to free people from said object. And with the imperius curse and veritaserum being things that leaves an obvious opening. Whoever knows the trick ends up with big target on their back.
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Considering that this is Dumbledore who came up with the Enchantment, no doubt he could add components to the new spell to prevent such things considering how esoteric the original enchantment was by working off of something as vaguely conceptual as "wanting to find but not use" the Philosopher's Stone I feel that such methods might not be effective considering that it likely takes the persons free will into account for fufilling the conditions.

For example, say if your under the Imperious curse, the enchantment likely wouldn't allow the person to release the subject because its not really their will but the Imperius Curse's casters will being weighed, not the Imperius victim.

Veritaserum, might be useful in finding out what the enchantment is but wouldn't be able to beat it due to how esoteric in nature it is or how it judges how the person meets the criteria. Or if someone is threatened into trying to release them it wouldn't work due to the spell likely being able to judge their feelings as being forced.
 
Considering it was only used for storing the Stone in an unique magical object and never used again, even when it would be useful to safeguard non combatant or as a prison.
There is multiple reasons why it wouldn't work.
The mirror is famous and in the books it implies it was one of a kind. Add to that the Stone extreme magical properties and uniques . Add to the fact the books make it clear what is useful for animals/objects it doesn't work or it needs different more difficult magic for people.
Add to this I prefer that people aren't walking morons. Especially in books that don't give this impression they are walking morons. And on average clever ideas that the readers figure it out is going to have major disadvantages why it shouldn't work.
We have seen no way to store objects or people in paintings so far, and only 1 example to store objects not people in an unique artifact(the mirror of Erissed).
 
Martin Bajar said:
Or just transfigure them into cans of spam and store them somewhere: veratsvel spami or something probably works.

Happened in a fic I once read (it was a crackfic though)
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How remarkable. Just a couple of days ago I was considering re-reading Harry Potter and the Manipulator of Destiny.
 
MKS002 said:
Bit late but one thought came to mind that actually has canon connections about how to imprison Death Eaters or any number of beings.

Trap them in a Mirror (or possibly a painting like seen in Ronald Dahl's Witches...god that Erika painting scene was chilling) with specific means of entering or exiting the mirror. In the very first book, Dumbledore's protection was able to stump Quirrel and Voldemort from getting the Philosopher's Stone inside the Mirror of Erised.

Now work that enchantment reworked to contain Death Eaters inside a mirror (or painting) trapped unless certain conditions are met and if the mirror breaks they are lost forever. Food and Drink can go into the mirror but nothing can come out, so no escaping by trying to grab the jailer trying to feed you as their arm would be released as soon as you tried to pull yourself out while the mirrors/painting's surface prevented you from leaving.
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Ace Dreamer said:
While I like the idea, there's no guarantee that more than a small, non-living, object could go in/out the mirror. Even worse, maybe the object needs to be really major magic, itself, to pull this trick off. We just don't know. Everything else going on is images, derived from mind/emotion reading.
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Well actually it's very funny you should mention this, because there's a battle scene in Fantastic Beasts 3 where a guy gets trapped 'inside' a wall by being struck by a curse that puts him 'into' the wall as a 2d image on the side of the wall, where he is stuck for awhile before freeing himself.


So yeah you can in fact just straight up turn people into paintings, and presumably if you made sure they didn't have their wand when you did so they would probably be stuck like that.
 
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gaouw said:
My point is that please don't wank Taylor by nerfing the wizards or giving them idiotball.
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I don't even think you'll need to "wank Taylor" as you put it.

In a way, you have two groups facing out of context problems:
Dark Wizards know naught about "muggles" and what they do know they feel largely superior to and that these creatures are utterly helpless in front of the magical might of a pure blood. They also have a heck of an echo chamber, where if you don't regurgitate the fact of pure blood superiority you get tortured.

Muggles know nothing about Wizards and have no inherent defense to their magics. If they had some knowledge, maybe they could do something...but they don't due to mindwipes and apparently a distinct lack of spec ops groups.

Taylor on the other hand, is a mundane who has been getting a crash course in 'what the hell these wizards can do' and is desperately planning around their nonsense. She is also unique in her parahuman bug control abilities.

So, you have two groups, with one remaining deliberately ignorant and full of superiority and the other learning and planning tricks, traps and counters.

The real trick will be to eliminate all the dark wizards without letting them flee to inform the rest
 
Having read many of Ryuugi's works, and his Informationals that detailed certain events in Worm Canon, it's hard not to believe that the odds really are that much in Taylor's favor when she's at the point in canon where she broke herself out of a secure holding cell, moved undetected across several floors and halfway around the Rig without being detected, and got her hands on something from the armory without having been anywhere near it with her own body

By this point in her timeline she's also gone straight up blind at one point and didn't notice for a month, and no else noticed either

Even when you know her capabilities she's capable of doing things that make you question what her actual limitations are. That's why Tagg eventually just gave her a +1 in every Threat Category to try and get people to treat her as dangerous and capable as she really is.

And that's before we get into how stupid the wizards of Harry Potter are, especially the pure bloods, especially especially the pure bloods who willingly serve Tom. The only thing keeping this a remotely even fight is the sheer versatility of the wizards and how they be in many more locations than Taylor can (for although she occupies a space measured in city blocks, that is all as one contiguous volume)
 
Barghest Blue said:
how they be in many more locations than Taylor can (for although she occupies a space measured in city blocks, that is all as one contiguous volume)
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You don't think a system of magical communication mirrors could be established that would allow Taylor to have a locus of control around each distant mirror? :)

Or, would she need something like open mini-flues to pull this off?

QA wants to know! :)
 
Barghest Blue said:
By this point in her timeline she's also gone straight up blind at one point and didn't notice for a month, and no else noticed either
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Wait, when did that happen?

Ace Dreamer said:
You don't think a system of magical communication mirrors could be established that would allow Taylor to have a locus of control around each distant mirror? :)

Or, would she need something like open mini-flues to pull this off?

QA wants to know! :)
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Given the dimensional shenanigans involved in QA effecting anything, I'm pretty sure Taylor's range limitations are a combination of safeguards for Taylor's mind and arbitrary limitations imposed by QA, rather than something she needs a way to bypass. with that said, neither mirrors nor active flues seem like the type of continuous portals that Taylor would need to extend her range.
 
Epsilon Rose said:
neither mirrors nor active flues seem like the type of continuous portals that Taylor would need to extend her range
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Unless the mirrors allow mental comms through them, I could see that, but, an active flue might allow that, and, if so, acromantula sub-nodes, for remote areas, might be a fun idea...
 
Ace Dreamer said:
Unless the mirrors allow mental comms through them, I could see that, but, an active flue might allow that, and, if so, acromantula sub-nodes, for remote areas, might be a fun idea...
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Remember, that Taylor's powers don't come from a psychic ability, but from an extra-dimensional shard with access to highly advanced physics and most of her limitations are artificially imposed by said shard. There's little reason to think QA would broadcast her control over something just because it allows wizards to make a telepathic connection across it, or if she'd even recognize that feature. With that said, there's also little reason to think mirrors or flues have that capacity.
 
Epsilon Rose said:
Remember, that Taylor's powers don't come from a psychic ability, but from an extra-dimensional shard with access to highly advanced physics and most of her limitations are artificially imposed by said shard. There's little reason to think QA would broadcast her control over something just because it allows wizards to make a telepathic connection across it, or if she'd even recognize that feature. With that said, there's also little reason to think mirrors or flues have that capacity.
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The only reason I think this might work is that Amy was able to make relay bugs that extended Taylor's range. QA was willing to allow this, and it didn't seem to harm Taylor. Yes, QA is doing all the work, but, if wizard tricks could be considered as using a similar principle to those relay bugs (or (Clairvoyant/)Doormaker, used by Khepri)...

Might be worth recalling QA is a top-level shard, just below the Warrior, and her Thinker equivalent is 'High Priest', linked to David/Eidolon. HP is not deployed, but has practically no restrictions, QA is fully deployed (no power supply problems) but has all the normal hosted-shard restrictions. QA doesn't seem to be... completely happy about these restrictions...

Ultimately, of course, it depends if the author can see any utility in extra, disjoint, range for the story.
 
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