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Halkegenia Online Thread 22 - Kill Sheffield Vol. 2

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Vaermina said:
It's not a Tent City! :rage:

I refuse to believe any map designer would design something that cheep looking when all the other Capitals would look so beautiful.
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The map graphic implies that it's a CIRCUS tent city. Ohhh, now I've got this idea for an omake in which Reconquistadores are baffled by how several dozen comically dressed Pucca pile out of a carriage that should only be able to hold 3 or 4 at most. Yup, I'm talking about the old clown car bit.
 
Vaermina said:
It's not a Tent City! :rage:

I refuse to believe any map designer would design something that cheep looking when all the other Capitals would look so beautiful.
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You clearly have no idea about how beautiful such a thing could potentially look.

Consider the philosophical implications of having a tent city alone:
  • The ideas of supreme flexibility and acceptance of all things in how easy it is to change and modify the city. Nothing is set in stone, and you are free to change the world as you please.
  • The ideas of the transient and mortal, in the way the tents are not always permanent. Everything fades and changes, nothing remains the same forever.
  • The ideas of individuality and uniqueness, in the way that anybody and everybody can build and pitch up their own tent and make it to their own desires. That everyone has the right to express themselves in their own way, from the heart.
  • The implications of freedom coupled with the vulnerabilities of independence. No good bard should ever have to worry about living, so long as he does his job well, as others will help him along the way.
Just because a city is not made of stone does not mean it will not leave a legacy worth remembering!
 
an NPC said:
You clearly have no idea about how beautiful such a thing could potentially look.
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I used to work in Video Game graphics design.

So I think I have a pretty good idea of just how good or bad such a thing would look. :p

But I am fully willing to admit that I am not the be all end all of graphics designers. So I am willing to entertain the idea that it's possible for a Fantasy Style Tent City* to look good if you can find me a picture of one that does.

*Not just a single tent, because alone they look fine it's making a city of them that's the problem.
 
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Just happened to be on my rounds, and happened to see this discussion. Well ...

'Nearby this awning where we were seated stood a very large high pavilion, in fact a very huge tent, and it was four-square in shape. In height it was the measure of three long lances such as used by a horse soldier, and the side was a hundred paces from angle to angle, it being as said four-cornered. The ceiling of the pavilion was made circular to form a dome, and the poles supporting it were twelve in number each as thick round as is the chest of a man breast high….

The inner walls of the pavilion are lined with crimson tapestry very beautifully woven in patterns of diverse designs, further it is hung with silk stuffs of many colours, in places worked over with embroidery of gold thread. The ceiling of the pavilion is its mark of greatest beauty for at the four corners are figured four eagles sitting with their wings closed. The exterior walls of the pavilion are made of a silk cloth woven in bands of white and black and yellow that to us appeared made of silk sarsenet. Outside at each corner there is set a very tall staff capped with an apple of burnished copper above which is a crescent.… From a distance indeed this great tent would appear to be a castle, it is so immensely broad and high. It is a wonder to behold, and magnificent beyond description….'

The tent of Timur.
 
Vaermina said:
I used to work in Video Game graphics design.

So I think I have a pretty good idea of just how good or bad such a thing would look. :p

But I am fully willing to admit that I am not the be all end all of graphics designers. So I am willing to entertain the idea that it's possible for a Fantasy Style Tent City to look good if you can find me a picture of one that does.
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Look up...no seriously look at the Post above you SVNB already provided one.
Here are a few examples
http://www.thebeautifuloccupation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/kathmandu-0372.jpg
http://netdna.tinyhouseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/brc-tent.jpg
http://ind.ccio.co/A2/Q7/75/42291683971039476vUZ1WqPNc.jpg
http://www.likecool.com/Gear/Pic/Beautiful hanging tent/Beautiful-hanging-tent.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fTzai055Ss8/TuVq55TfZyI/AAAAAAAACn0/u9THrhAnULs/s1600/3.jpg
http://sdpremierehomes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Beautiful-Modern-Wedding-Tent.jpg

and Graphic Design?
:rolleyes:
 
 
Minimalist said:
Just the sort of problem to be solved by the mermaid with the a 'High Mega Cannon'!
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There.
FTFY.

To those who didnt get the reference, the High Mega Cannon is the most powerful weapon of the ZZ Gundam. It got at least 20% output of the colony laser that was used during the gryps conflict.

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And the said cannon is mounted at ZZ's forehead.
 
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End Bringer said:
No, I believe they'll go through almost every building they can for loot they want, pile up and burn any furniture, books, pictures, etc they don't want, urinate and defecate in personal homes or public areas (like a major theater) not being used for their own military purposes, generally smash and destroy any statues, gardens, shops, etc. and THEN when they are the ones forced to leave start setting buildings on fire.
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I still find that baffling. While I can see statues, books, photographs, murals - basically anything that would be heretical - destroyed, I can't see any commanding officer allowing his men to piss and shit and destroy places that they don't currently need because, well, whose to say you won't need it someday?

Officer: You shat all over the Ampitheatre? You morons! We were going to store our winter stock in there!
 
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Anzer'ke said:
GeshronTyler said:
Only problem is that the Undine capital was in a river delta, so the terraces would be out of place.
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I don't know where this idea keeps coming from, it was quite plainly out in a bay/cove/whatever the word is.
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I think it came from this:
Triggerhappy said:
Orlein was just supposed to invoke New Orleans, Gouibniu was a norse crafting god, Cadenza is a musical term that I thought had an appropriate ring to it, and Muisca is a reference to the tribe that inspired the legend of El Dorado.
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Anzer'ke said:
I very much prefer the previous one you posted, it seemed more integrated into the water (stuff going beneath the surface for instance) where this just looks to have been built on top of it.

EDIT: I think it was posted back when TH brought up discussion of Gaddan's structure.
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Link here. My head canon of Orleins is that it's less Roman in style, with buildings that look more like this.

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Vaermina said:
In addition Albion have something like 3 times the number of ships that Tristian does.
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iemand said:
I didn't realise Albion had such a numbers advantage, do you have a citation on that?
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Vaermina said:
Even after the losses at Tarbes it was said the combined Germanian, Gallian, Tristian fleet only matched that of Albion.
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Vaer is confusing ZnT canon with HaLO canon. In HaLO, the force disparity was set out in the Strategy Meeting:
v1 ch 12 pt 3 said:
"Of course, accurate numbers are difficult to come by, but working with the worst case scenarios, the Rebels could have upwards of fifty two ships of the line and over one hundred rated frigates and cruisers. Estimates based on prewar forces and the number of free companies hired give them something on the order of eighty to ninety thousand ground troops and perhaps as many as four hundred and fifty Dragon Knights. If the pre war troop numbers and mage distribution in the mercenary forces remain consistent, than one in fifteen of those ground troops will be mages." La Remee said as if giving nothing more exciting than an account of the weather.
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"To oppose them we have only twenty six ships of the line and sixty of our own cruisers and frigates. Our ground forces number only fifteen thousand with an additional two thousand Faerie volunteers in the mob patrols. We also have only one hundred and sixty Dragon Knights, less than half of their total number. While our mage ratio is much better, one in seven, it is overcome in terms of absolute numbers."
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At York the Tristanians deprived Reconquista of 11 ships of the line and took at least 4 of them as prizes, closing the gap further.
 
iemand said:
I didn't realise Albion had such a numbers advantage, do you have a citation on that?
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Krytherian said:
Vaer is confusing ZnT canon with HaLO canon. In HaLO, the force disparity was set out in the Strategy Meeting:
v1 ch 12 pt 3 said:
"Of course, accurate numbers are difficult to come by, but working with the worst case scenarios, the Rebels could have upwards of fifty two ships of the line and over one hundred rated frigates and cruisers. Estimates based on prewar forces and the number of free companies hired give them something on the order of eighty to ninety thousand ground troops and perhaps as many as four hundred and fifty Dragon Knights. If the pre war troop numbers and mage distribution in the mercenary forces remain consistent, than one in fifteen of those ground troops will be mages." La Remee said as if giving nothing more exciting than an account of the weather.
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"To oppose them we have only twenty six ships of the line and sixty of our own cruisers and frigates. Our ground forces number only fifteen thousand with an additional two thousand Faerie volunteers in the mob patrols. We also have only one hundred and sixty Dragon Knights, less than half of their total number. While our mage ratio is much better, one in seven, it is overcome in terms of absolute numbers."​
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At York the Tristanians deprived Reconquista of 11 ships of the line and took at least 4 of them as prizes, closing the gap further.
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And to compound the gap a bit further, Albion can't (or at least the Admirals will realize shouldn't) send it's entire remaining fleet at Tristain. It's always best to keep a force at home in case (for example) the Germanian Emperor sees a huge undefended source of a valuable resource that he can take to try and solidify his line's legitimacy and support in lieu of marrying Henrietta or for a strategic reserve in case of a huge failure, surprise counter attack, or civil unrest at home vis-a-vis Royalist Sympathisers starting trouble.
 
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Mahrac said:
And to compound the gap a bit further, Albion can't (or at least the Admirals will realize shouldn't) send it's entire remaining fleet at Tristain. It's always best to keep a force at home in case (for example) the Germanian Emperor sees a huge undefended source of a valuable resource that he can take to try and solidify his line's legitimacy and support or for a strategic reserve in case of a huge failure, surprise counter attack, or civil unrest at home vis-a-vis Royalist Sympathisers starting trouble.
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Meaning they'll only be able to send a half to 2/3rds of the fleet at most.
 
thesage2600 said:
I still find that baffling. While I can see statues, books, photographs, murals - basically anything that would be heretical - destroyed, I can't see any commanding officer allowing his men to piss and shit and destroy places that they don't currently need because, well, whose to say you won't need it someday?

Officer: You shat all over the Ampitheatre? You morons! We were going to store our winter stock in there!
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I doubt the majority of Reconquista is a sterling example of professionalism and self-restraint, being half made of mercenaries and all. Not to mention if they're suffering such set backs and losses early on in their "glorious crusade" it's not a stretch to think they'll take their frustration out in the one place they've conquered.

Besides, I believe it's cannon that Reconquista looted the dead at Newcastle and are generally gripped by zealotry. In the face of all that, is making a huge mess when they occupy one of "the abominable demon's" cities really that baffling?

Personally, I think not. I can even see Meinhardt using a tree right out in the open streets, though that would probably be due to his lack of respect for almost anything than any real ill-will, and when you need to go, you need to go!
 
Vaermina said:
Which is less then what was lost in Tarbes. o_O
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Uhm no it wasnt.
As I posted in the Last snip it was 12 to 13 ships and the crews that maned them 3,000 I think it was. Only one of which was a ship of the Line the Lexignton

Dunkirk was 11 ships of the line CAPTURED not destroyed Captured and the DOCKS plus untold number of men and materials lost in that. Also unknown how many ship of the lines were destroyed or lesser ship and/or damaged

In terms of War Damage Dunkirk is more vaulable because it damaged their ability to replace and service their ships.

It also allowed capture of the Cannons and Gunpowder which clued them in to the ranges involved meaning Tarbes CANT happen now.

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So anyone that wants to clue Vaer in.
Tarbes
-12-13 Ships destroyed
-1 ship of the line destroyed
-3,000 men killed.
-Terror of Pink haired Girls Installed

Dunkirk
-11 ships of the line captured
-unknown types of ship destroyed or damaged
-Docks Damaged
-Unknown Number of Men killed
-unknown number of material destroyed
-Terror of the Fae installed
-Cannon's Secret discovered

Yeah clearly Tarbes was the more powerful military victory :rolleyes:
 
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End Bringer said:
Blair: Well, he IS half-Germanian, so....
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And after all that work installing public restroom. :(

hopefully I'll have an update some time tomorrow. Writing this seen has been a little confusing thanks to lack of sleep. (Still can't sleep past six in the morning. :()

Edit: Also, you might mock Cait Syth Slime Tamers, but you can't deny these guys are useful.



They were literally Caelondia's garbage men.
 
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Triggerhappy said:
They were literally Caelondia's garbage men.
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Should be interesting if due to the damage to the various sewers and disposals in the various battles the little (and big) guys start running out of food and decide to migrate topside even if it is not their preferred habitat (they like the climate controlled and moist underground areas).

By this point the Fae have all pulled out and all that's left are the Reconquista soldiers and mages. Now while the slimes are normally perfectly content to chow down on garbage, scraps and sewage they will retaliate when something attacks them.
 
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