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Halkegenia Online Thread 22 - Kill Sheffield Vol. 2

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bissek said:
Also, the mobs around Cadenza probably aren't intended to weather winters well either. They'll likely try to raid the Reconquistador camps for food once they realize they have supplies that are more plentiful than the starving wildlife that are themselves just trying to survive the winter. Some of them may decide that a sentry has more meat on him than a few paltry rabbits and try picking them off.
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The mob in general will likely find some way to survive be it scavenging or cardinal induced hibernation. The Reconquista should be more worried about the snow and ice themed mobs being kited into them.
 
Alane1 said:
Indeed, they know where the supplies have to go and convoys are going to be far vastly noticeable than single ships, when they are all going to one location even if it is from from a island that moves around there is going to be a limited number of routes they can take, not to mention if Tristian has captured Cadenza under siege, most likely it will be if not at least picketed, approaching it will be extremely dangerous in and of it self even with raiders and privateers for any ship much less a group of ships.
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The problem with that is airships move in three dimensions and not just two.

Which means you will need a good deal more ships to cover the possible approaches then was needed in real life. And each of those ships requires a constant supply of windstones to keep in the air.


Triggerhappy said:
The mob in general will likely find some way to survive be it scavenging or cardinal induced hibernation. The Reconquista should be more worried about the snow and ice themed mobs being kited into them.
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Can we please not have any more Cardinal Ex Machina? :(
 
Vaermina said:
The problem with that is airships move in three dimensions and not just two.

Which means you will need a good deal more ships to cover the possible approaches then was needed in real life. And each of those ships requires a constant supply of windstones to keep in the air.
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The ships can also be attacked in three dimensions as well. After all it's not like they have any defenses on the underbelly of those ships.
 
Vaermina said:
The problem with that is airships move in three dimensions and not just two.

Which means you will need a good deal more ships to cover the possible approaches then was needed in real life. And each of those ships requires a constant supply of windstones to keep in the air.
Can we please not have any more Cardinal Ex Machina? :(
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How about you dont tell the author what to do?
Especially when this ISNT Cardinal but normal weather patterns. Animals will move closer to humans during the cold both to keep warm and find food.
Alaska runs into this all the time.

As for 3 dimesions o_O
Vaer misunderstands they HAVE to come down in order to reach Cadenza which is a Fixed location.
And so long as they are spotted 3d doesnt matter since if there is enough time which a 12 hour window is a LONG time to get set up they can come in just as easily.
As Tyhon pointed out they can be attacked in 3d as well.
The Fae Move in 3d the dragons move in 3d and so on so the ships dont have an advantage.
They are in fact WORSE off then the attackers because they will be carrying supplies meaning they are bogged down and will be sluggish in movement because Mass is still mass period.
 
thesage2600 said:
So, you believe they'll burn their new base of command and only foothold in Tristain and the continent to the ground? Or at least make in unhabitable despite the fact that people will be living there as, again, it will be a base?
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No, I believe they'll go through almost every building they can for loot they want, pile up and burn any furniture, books, pictures, etc they don't want, urinate and defecate in personal homes or public areas (like a major theater) not being used for their own military purposes, generally smash and destroy any statues, gardens, shops, etc. and THEN when they are the ones forced to leave start setting buildings on fire.
 
End Bringer said:
No, I believe they'll go through almost every building they can for loot they want, pile up and burn any furniture, books, pictures, etc they don't want, urinate and defecate in personal homes or public areas (like a major theater) not being used for their own military purposes, generally smash and destroy any statues, gardens, shops, etc. and THEN when they are the ones forced to leave start setting buildings on fire.
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I doubt they will burn the books, Sheffield has probably left orders with Cromwell to recover any they come across.
 
Vaermina said:
I doubt they will burn the books, Sheffield has probably left orders with Cromwell to recover any they come across.
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It's all in script they can't read (including Sheffield), and may contain heretical ideas.

Though you are right. They won't burn them. They'll need something to use as wipes after going in the theater.

Remember that scene from Dances with Wolves?
 
Vaermina said:
Or if for some crazy reason she didn't she could just have Ephi translate them for her.
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Yeah, I almost forgot, he should end up working for Joseph. (After getting in over his head and nearly flayed alive by some deranged Gallian mage intending to render his shiny new body down for experimental reagents. :drevil:)
 
Vaermina said:
She would have learned it from the Zae.

Or if for some crazy reason she didn't she could just have Ephi translate them for her.
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Ephi who ISNT in Albion? That Ephi? Yeah that is going to work out :rolleyes:
As for the Zae their numbers are rather thin at the moment and it would be smarter to learn it then need a translator in this case.
Also you do realize the Japanese uses at least 2 different scripts right? Because that is going to have trouble. You cant learn it in the amount of time she has had at least not to a solid degree like you think.

Triggerhappy said:
The proper thing to do would be to force the prisoners of war to clean the place up.
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You break it you buy it?
Oh the fun you can have.
Fae: See this! Bad Soldier Bad!
Soldier: I get it! I get it! Stop rubbing my Nose in it!
 
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Triggerhappy said:
Yeah, I almost forgot, he should end up working for Joseph. (After getting in over his head and nearly flayed alive by some deranged Gallian mage intending to render his shiny new body down for experimental reagents. :drevil:)
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Let me guess, the Chimera building mage Tabitha was supposed to kill but didn't because she was stuck in Tristian?
 
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Vaermina said:
She would have learned it from the Zae.

Or if for some crazy reason she didn't she could just have Ephi translate them for her.
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Neither of them are a thesaurus, and sitting around and doing nothing but translating would likely be seen as waste.

Triggerhappy said:
Yeah, I almost forgot, he should end up working for Joseph. (After getting in over his head and nearly flayed alive by some deranged Gallian mage intending to render his shiny new body down for experimental reagents. :drevil:)
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Probably survived by the skin of his teeth and that tip Chadrick gave him.

Though Joseph would likely find the arrangement amusing, while Sheffield would be jealous to find her master interested in the rival servant that moved in while she was away.
 
When it comes to the Reconquista soldiers relieving themselves, I wonder if the indignation from the Puca will come from an entirely different direction...

Puca: You dug a latrine in the park WHEN THE PUBLIC TOILETS WERE ONLY FIFTY METERS AWAY!? :mad:
 
Terrace said:
When it comes to the Reconquista soldiers relieving themselves, I wonder if the indignation from the Puca will come from an entirely different direction...

Puca: You dug a latrine in the park WHEN THE PUBLIC TOILETS WERE ONLY FIFTY METERS AWAY!? :mad:
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In all fairness, I'm pretty sure the response to that would be 'Public toilet?'
 
End Bringer said:
It's all in script they can't read (including Sheffield), and may contain heretical ideas.

Though you are right. They won't burn them. They'll need something to use as wipes after going in the theater.

Remember that scene from Dances with Wolves?
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Bishop: "Those.. Those... ANIMALS! How dare they!? This cannot stand! They will ALL pay for their crimes against the printed word! The ruined books will be reprinted using their wretched blood as ink!"
 
I can't see the attacks going well. With Cadenza, being a Tent City, it isn't very likely that there will be much left for Reconquista. In fact, this might just inspire the Puka to go and build a proper city of their own. Like as not, they'll also include a large Amphitheater, with good acoustics.

As for the attacks on the other two locations, well the attack at Freelia will likely result in the complete loss of their fleet there. The attack at Sylvain, might end up with the ships attacking there, being taken by the Fae. Hell, if I was in Lord Mort's position, I would have a small number of crack troops in both Freelia and Sylvain, for the sole reason to capture any attacking ships. Even just one or two getting captured, would be a big boon to Tristain and the Fae.
 
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Dacl73 said:
I can't see the attacks going well. With Cadenza, being a Tent City, it isn't very likely that there will be much left for Reconquista. In fact, this might just inspire the Puka to go and build a proper city of their own. Like as not, they'll also include a large Amphitheater, with good acoustics.
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It's not a Tent City! :rage:

I refuse to believe any map designer would design something that cheep looking when all the other Capitals would look so beautiful.
 
Dacl73 said:
I can't see the attacks going well. With Cadenza, being a Tent City, it isn't very likely that there will be much left for Reconquista. In fact, this might just inspire the Puka to go and build a proper city of their own. Like as not, they'll also include a large Amphitheater, with good acoustics.

As for the attacks on the other two locations, well the attack at Freelia will ikely result in the complete loss of their fleet there. The attack at Sylvain, might end up with the ships attacking there, being taken by the Fae. Hell, if I was in Lord Mort's position, I would have a small number of crack troops in both Freelia and Sylvain, for the sole reason to capture any attacking ships. Even just one or two getting captured, would be a big boon to Tristain and the Fae.
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They shouldn't attack Sylvain in the first place, at least not this fall. It should probably be the first planned target in spring.

It's an unneeded division of forces and it won't provide any additional strategic value over Freelia (a nice bunk for the winter) or Cadenza (vulnerable to attack) for the risk.
The initial plan should be to take Freelia before winter for a garrison, might plan on resident humas to betray the fae might plan on shelling them out, and sacking Cadenza. But given Freelia's better off than they expected, they'll end up needing to take Cadenza instead.
 
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jwolfe_beta said:
Well yeah. Any supply chain going through contested territory is a target. More to the point they don't need to sink all the transports to really mess up the Albion foothold. Even with Gallia giving support Reconquista's coffers, production capabilities and food stocks are not limitless nor do they possess instantaneous shipbuilding.

It would be a tonnage war with Albion having to build/buy new transport ships and restock the holds while Tristain sinks/steals them in the route between Albion and Cadenza.

Of course for all we know the various armchair admirals directing the supply chain might not even adopt true convoys (massive numbers of transports at one time guarded by multiple ships) until far too many transports have been lost.
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Not to mention that besides the cargo every ship already contains a valuable war asset Tristian will want to get it's hands on, the ship's windstones. Every windstone from a captured heavy transport should function just as well powering a Tristian Warship, making the capture or salvageable destruction of enemy transports more important than the raw materials they contain.
 
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