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Halkegenia Online Thread 22 - Kill Sheffield Vol. 2

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JumperPrime said:
Yes, they are willing to work with living Fae who are willing to work with them. If they're NOT willing, Reconquista kills them and Cromwell raises them as a zombie slave. So Reconquista's recruitment line is "Work for us, or die THEN work for us"
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You have to admit it's a pretty compelling recruitment line if there are no other options available. ;)


Tython82 said:
The unit that was working with Ephi was a mercenary unit only hired by Reconquista whose to say had the coup been successful that the actual Reconquista wouldn't have had them killed after all exact words are interesting.
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Nobody can say for sure what they would have done.

Of course in that vein they could just as easily hailed Ephi and Company as Hero's and kept their promises.

Also in fairness can you source your claim that people ran in such situations as the norm?
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Ran or Surrendered, and I was specifically talking about cases where the choice was Run, Surrender, or FIght to the Death.

As to the list, here are two examples.

The Siege of Stirling Castle 1304 - The populace was allowed to surrender and live.

The Siege of Calais 1346 - The populace was allowed to surrender and live.
 
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Vaermina said:
You know what, I have had enough of arguing like this.

So I am just going to ask you to source your claims on the unending resistance of civilian populations as being the standard.
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I'm going to assume that your saying this because you have a number of the people engaged in this conversation muted, if that's the case I would suggest you re-evaluate your list because you look like a bit of an ass right now ignoring several people's posted and linked evidence.
Additionally you are getting pretty damn close to the point of being in violation of III-15-6, so please cut it out.


Tython82 said:
Which again I am really looking forward to see how the people of Albion react once the Pope declares that reconquista is using Necromancy. Also did Cromwell actually denounce the pope or did he only denounce the royal familes etc?
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In public he has denounced the Pope, claiming that it's his fault the church's fault that the Royal Families were corrupted. If that's the official state position is still up in the air.
 
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Vaermina said:
Ran or Surrendered.

As to the list, here is two examples.

The Siege of Stirling Castle 1304 - The populace was allowed to surrender and live.

The Siege of Calais 1346 - The populace was allowed to surrender and live.
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And once again Vaer is twisting facts.
Siege of stirling Castle
For four months the castle was bombarded by lead balls (stripped from nearby church roofs), Greek fire, stone balls, and even some sort of gunpowder mixture. Impatient with lack of progress, Edward ordered his chief engineer, Master James of St. George, to begin work on a new, more massive engine called Warwolf (a trebuchet).The castle's garrison of 30, led by William Oliphant, eventually were allowed to surrender on 20 July after Edward had previously refused to accept surrender until the Warwolf had been tested.

Siege of Calais
By June, the city's supplies of food and fresh water were nearly depleted. Another French supply convoy was blocked by the English fleet two months later. Five hundred children and elderly were expelled from the city so that the remaining healthy adult men and women might survive. One version of events holds that the English refused to allow these exiles to approach, so they starved to death just outside the city walls.[citation needed] That version of events was contradicted by the contemporary Flemish chronicler Jean Le Bel, who praised Edward III for his charity in feeding and granting free passage and a small monetary gift to each expelled person.[citation needed]

On August 1, the city lit fires signaling they were ready to surrender. Philip destroyed the encampment from which his army had been planning to attack the English so that it would not fall into their hands. Edward was persuaded by his advisers to allow the remaining citizens to live. After providing them with some provisions, he allowed them to leave the city.

They struck colors after almost 9 months of Siege and clearly ran out of food.
Notice how it doesnt say ANYTHING about Cvilians helping out?

Again Vaer is trying to goal post from his original point of the People only running or surrendering and not turning around to fight the invaders.
 
Minimalist said:
In public he has denounced the Pope, claiming that it's his fault the church's fault that the Royal Families were corrupted. If that's the official state position is still up in the air.
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Yeah. If people have bought into the idea that the pope is a pathological liar who will do anything to keep his power, then it doesn't really matter what Vittorio says about Cromwell. (Within the borders of Albion anyways.) The people who hate him are going to hate him, the people who love him are going to love him, and the people on the fence are going to be just as terrified.

Not to mention he seems to have started justifying it on the ground that Faeries are 'real' people. We're just repurposing Tristain's 'Flesh Golems'

Sure it doesn't hold much water, but it only has to hold long enough to exterminate enough of them, and bury that little hiccup about Necomancy under a new wave of success.

Though if you want sufficient nightmare fuel, here's a horrifying thought. When the war starts to go bad for Cromwell, and he really starts to lose his grip with reality, he may decide he doesn't really need his inner circle for their council anymore and really just needs their fealty to keep the lower forces in line.

Them beginning to act strangely is surely just the stress of the war! :o
 
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Alane1 said:
Sounds good to me, something different, what's the odds if Louise ends up with any physical changes from the seed that she will have a comical complex about it.
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Maybe she will get stuck with Cardinals Harem Flag.

And be cursed to always end up in compromising positions with scantly clad highly attractive men. :D
 
Just going to mention that Cadenzas 'fall' is likely to be a pretty orderly withdrawal of civilians while the defense force harass the hell of the Albionian army and rig a few thousand booby-traps on their way out before bugging out themselves. There are more important places to defend and Cadenza isn't terribly defensible to begin with.

So let Reconquista take the city once the armory and warehouse stocks have been stripped/burned. Might actually be interesting to see what the Reconquista troops think of an abandoned Faerie City. (I was expecting more heads on pikes!)

Zia will probably come into her own here more be keeping everyone calm and together while they are forced to pack up their lives and run from their homes then because she's some big damn musical warrior. (Although she might get a few licks in.)
 
Triggerhappy said:
Just going to mention that Cadenzas 'fall' is likely to be a pretty orderly withdrawal of civilians while the defense force harass the hell of the Albionian army and rig a few thousand booby-traps on their way out before bugging out themselves. There are more important places to defend and Cadenza isn't terribly defensible to begin with.
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I hope they don't damage any of the Floating Stages. :(
 
Why not the 1812 Overture? Lure the Albionese in during the 1st half, where they think they're the ones dominating, never realizing its a trap, only to launch into the finale and completely turn the tables on them.

Bonus points if they manage to find a boss that specializes in snow/frost/cold attacks.
 
Triggerhappy said:
Just going to mention that Cadenzas 'fall' is likely to be a pretty orderly withdrawal of civilians while the defense force harass the hell of the Albionian army and rig a few thousand booby-traps on their way out before bugging out themselves. There are more important places to defend and Cadenza isn't terribly defensible to begin with.

So let Reconquista take the city once the armory and warehouse stocks have been stripped/burned. Might actually be interesting to see what the Reconquista troops think of an abandoned Faerie City. (I was expecting more heads on pikes!)
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Sensible about the general evacuation, and thanks to Moonlight Mirror they'll have more than enough warning.

As for Reconquista's reaction, I'm sure there will be some awed amazement from those like the Fourth Squadron, but a greater deal of looting, vandalization, and desecration from the rest of the troops.

Zia will probably come into her own here more be keeping everyone calm and together while they are forced to pack up their lives and run from their homes then because she's some big damn musical warrior. (Although she might get a few licks in.)
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She amplifies her whistling with her conductors' wand, and three dragons go nuts to collide with the buildings.

Triggerhappy said:
Though if you want sufficient nightmare fuel, here's a horrifying thought. When the war starts to go bad for Cromwell, and he really starts to lose his grip with reality, he may decide he doesn't really need his inner circle for their council anymore and really just needs their fealty to keep the lower forces in line.

Them beginning to act strangely is surely just the stress of the war! :o
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Him loosing it (any more than he already has) depends on how much Sheffield, and by extension Gallia, is helping/supporting him by then. I kind of see him keeping his same cheerfully confident demeanor due to thinking Gallia is still sending aid even up to The Alliance marching on Londinium.

If he smells descent in his inner circle sooner, then he'd simply kill one off and claim he was a traitor as an example to the others (so long as it's not the Baron of Adeline, but I get the impression he wouldn't care what's going on around him).
 
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I'd imagine that the puca will set some sort of passive debuff song always playing at random times. Nothing creepier than an abandoned city with creepy music playing. Bonus points if it comes from a small music box in an empty house with a [Insert SURPRISE AMBUSH/BOSS here] when albion sends people to check it out.
 
Gonna suck for the Puca having to rebuild from the ashes after that. I mean I doubt that Reconquista would take long to tear the city to shreds once they've occupied it. Imagine having to come back to your home to find it's been trashed and burned by that bunch.

At least they'd be able to remove all the more dangerous items from the place. Maybe lure a boss or two in to roost ;)
 
So the Fae are going to keep Freelia, but lose Cadenza? Or at least temporarily for the war's duration at best? At worst with Cadenza needing to be reconstructed from the ground up after the ensuing war?

Well I guess you can't win them all. Odds the Puca will develop Songs of Vengeance after that as one of their first new magic musics?

Speaking of songs, think they have a Song of Chaos in there? Play it at full blast as a going-away present and watch the Dragon Knights corkscrew their knights into the ground and tear themselves and their ground forces to pieces?
 
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noahgab1133 said:
I'd imagine that the puca will set some sort of passive debuff song always playing at random times. Nothing creepier than an abandoned city with creepy music playing. Bonus points if it comes from a small music box in an empty house with a [Insert SURPRISE AMBUSH/BOSS here] when albion sends people to check it out.
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Well, the Puca can but their songs in bottles, so....
 
Anzer'ke said:
Gonna suck for the Puca having to rebuild from the ashes after that. I mean I doubt that Reconquista would take long to tear the city to shreds once they've occupied it. Imagine having to come back to your home to find it's been trashed and burned by that bunch.

At least they'd be able to remove all the more dangerous items from the place. Maybe lure a boss or two in to roost ;)
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Well, Reconquista is going to have to bunker down there for the winter, right? I doubt they'll ruin a city like that when it's going to be their base in Tristain. Especially when their plans for Sylvain and Freelia fall through.

You don't tear down the walls protecting you when you have nowhere else to go.
 
thesage2600 said:
Well, Reconquista is going to have to bunker down there for the winter, right? I doubt they'll ruin a city like that when it's going to be their base in Tristain. Especially when their plans for Sylvain and Freelia fall through.

You don't tear down the walls protecting you when you have nowhere else to go.
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They can still burn precious objects, piss and shit in places plainly not meant for it, steal everything they don't ruin.

Having an army of fanatics and mercenaries take over your city makes it unlikely to get it back in any fit state to live in.
 
thesage2600 said:
Well, Reconquista is going to have to bunker down there for the winter, right? I doubt they'll ruin a city like that when it's going to be their base in Tristain. Especially when their plans for Sylvain and Freelia fall through.

You don't tear down the walls protecting you when you have nowhere else to go.
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The problem is that the leaders might know that and the more military minded might know that. But all it takes is someone to start a fire that goes out of control.....
 
End Bringer said:
Well, the Puca can put their songs in bottles, so....
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Crackers I forgot that, which makes me think of a grand trap called Cadenza most amusing.

If the Puca did have that music that could induce chaos in their enemies (And I'd like to think they do since Chaos has been used as a status effect before so it does occur in games.), bottle them, hide them all over Cadenza, and then when it comes to spring the trap, watch Reconquista soldiers turn on one another like crazed beasts.

Obviously you won't get the city back in any less than a hundred pieces, but I like the irony of this plan from a meta-standpoint. Anyone remember the incident of the Silver Pentecost from the original timeline? Now turn it on Reconquista instead.

And the song for it, with fitting lyrics too.

 
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Anzer'ke said:
They can still burn precious objects, piss and shit in places plainly not meant for it, steal everything they don't ruin.

Having an army of fanatics and mercenaries take over your city makes it unlikely to get it back in any fit state to live in.
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Also don't forget that Reconquista is likely to set most of it on fire, when they are the ones forced to retreat.

Baring, of course, they end up cut off and unable to go anywhere.
 
Anzer'ke said:
They can still burn precious objects, piss and shit in places plainly not meant for it, steal everything they don't ruin.

Having an army of fanatics and mercenaries take over your city makes it unlikely to get it back in any fit state to live in.
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You're talking about the place like when they burnt those villages to the ground. That's not going to fly here because they'll be the ones living there.

Look at York for example or the new Albion capital - while they took damage from the infighting, they didn't destroy them to piss off the Royalists. Why? Because they need the place. Them shittin' in the road is shittin' on your road now, not the Faes.
 
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