Halkegenia Online Thread 22 - Kill Sheffield Vol. 2

Given that Tristain always had shittons of mages for it's population, and that they then gained 60,000 more mages, I would say that quantity of their troops that use magic of some form is one area tristain will probably always have the advantage.

Not to mention the gold Fae brought with them. So why not pay for aditional mages and mercenary troops from Germania, Romalia or even Galia?

Sane Reconquista's Albion's General: " So tell me again, why are we attacking someone with so many magical troops?"
 
So if you use Halk Dragons as a screen and send Fae Dragons to the Airships those Airships are going down.

So STILL a bad idea to over fly a Fae City since you will get a large chunk of your fleet taken out by the defenses.

Wouldnt surprise me if the Fae Dragons are also used as Launching platforms for the Faes.
If a Dragon can be both Armored and carry a heavily armored Fae then using them as Height Platforms to conserve Wing time makes sense.
Another option if they can't have the Halk dragons as screens is to lower the amount of armor slightly and have a double saddle. As a result you get a pilot and a mage or archer serving as a 'gunner' that can convince the Dragon Knights to back off while the dragon makes its run.
 
Given that Tristain always had shittons of mages for it's population, and that they then gained 60,000 more mages, I would say that quantity of their troops that use magic of some form is one area tristain will probably always have the advantage.

Of those numbers however only a fraction are combat trained and stationed at the Cait Sith Capital.
 
Not to mention the gold Fae brought with them. So why not pay for aditional mages and mercenary troops from Germania, Romalia or even Galia?

Sane Reconquista's Albion's General: " So tell me again, why are we attacking someone with so many magical troops?"
Point of order - most of the Fae currency was lost during the Transition. Only what they had available, "spawned in" and on-hand during the Transition was created.

Most of the Fae appear to have gone suddenly bankrupt because most of their cash was "in the bank" and no longer exists / never existed.

Of those numbers however only a fraction are combat trained and stationed at the Cait Sith Capital.
Um, how many "adult" Fae are combat-capable in an emergency? All of them. They were player characters.

What you should be asking is this:
  • How many mages do the Reconquista have to throw at Freelia?
  • How many Fae will participate in the defense of the city?
  • How many Tristanian mages / dragon knights / under-water-basket-weavers are stationed at Freelia?
  • What's the overall "strength" of both opposing forces.
Just on paper, if you expect every single Cait Sith who can hear thunder or pick up a blade to fight, they could have the entire Reconquista assault force out-numbered in a mage-to-mage ratio.
 
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Another option if they can't have the Halk dragons as screens is to lower the amount of armor slightly and have a double saddle. As a result you get a pilot and a mage or archer serving as a 'gunner' that can convince the Dragon Knights to back off while the dragon makes its run.
Or better yet have the second saddle have a Halk Mage they can cast faster with no sign.
The Fae acts as a heavy gun in terms of spell conserving their MP for big spells while the Halk concerns with keeping the enemy off them.
 
Not to mention the gold Fae brought with them. So why not pay for aditional mages and mercenary troops from Germania, Romalia or even Galia?

Sane Reconquista's Albion's General: " So tell me again, why are we attacking someone with so many magical troops?"

For the glory of the founder!

Mortimer: Your foe is well equipped, well-trained, battle-hardened. He believes his god is on his side. Let him believe what he will. We have dragons on ours.
 
Point of order - most of the Fae currency was lost during the Transition. Only what they had available, "spawned in" and on-hand during the Transition was created.

Most of the Fae appear to have gone suddenly bankrupt because most of their cash was "in the bank" and no longer exists / never existed.

Still a lot of gold. Also the traitor's possesions were confiscated - which means more gold. There is also respawned gold in the <<Dungeons>>, although only greedy or desperate people will go for it. Not to mention goldmines near Tautona or Goubniu. :) They can also sell some 'safe' Fae goods to Germania, if they wanted. So Tristain and Alfheim aren't poor at all.

Edit: Good night, its midnight where are I am from, so see you later.:)
 
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Sadly Tristain has more mages and than you should count with Cait Sith mages as well. If Tristain has some advantage, it is their number of mages, there should be as much of them as in all Albion despite the Albion beeing biger and their population beeing higher. Also the civil war took its toll on the magical population of Albion - it is probably the lowest in decades.

Indeed given that they make up 10 percent of the population a much higher percentage than any other nation, even if quite a number of them likely aren't combat mages and others are likely too old or young to take part in any war.
 
http://baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Zero_no_Tsukaima:Volume6_Chapter5

Okay first off it wasn't Orc's it was Trolls second he didn't turn them to ashes instantly

Sorry this took so long I was looking up cremation temperatures
I think you'd do best to look at what the Fae troops do with their "flaming walls of DOOOOOooooom" in Operation Dunkirk. They reduce the orc's iron armor to slag. That takes, at a minimum, around 1000 degrees centigrade. Iron can withstand temperatures of up to 1538 degrees centigrade before melting depending on how it is treated.

The Albionese King referenced that as being Triangle class magic, but I think he might have been understating it. It looks like he thought all the mages spun the spell together instead of each individual, Salamander mage casting one wall.
 
I think you'd do best to look at what the Fae troops do with their "flaming walls of DOOOOOooooom" in Operation Dunkirk. They reduce the orc's iron armor to slag. That takes, at a minimum, around 1000 degrees centigrade. Iron can withstand temperatures of up to 1538 degrees centigrade before melting depending on how it is treated.

The Albionese King referenced that as being Triangle class magic, but I think he might have been understating it. It looks like he thought all the mages spun the spell together instead of each individual, Salamander mage casting one wall.

Oh yeah...

that battle on the walls

was awesome as the Tiberium Wars Novelization fanfic battles.
 
I'm talking about the physical conditions at the bottom of Earth's oceans, and the kinds of evolutionary adaptations needed to survive down there. And in this case, what those adaptations don't account for.

I am not claiming that Octavia is vulnerable to cold, I'm saying that she's not invulnerable to it. There's a difference. (Like Superman and magic – he's no more vulnerable to it than any other mortal, it just simply happens to be one area that his invulnerability doesn't cover for.)

Even if ice can qualify for Octavia's power-up (which I'm still unconvinced of), the kinds of temperatures present in a blizzard could very well suck out her body heat to lethal levels, long before her power-up can kick in enough that she might be able to protect herself from the cold.

The issue with this is that we know many LARGE animals that travel in those areas are very well insulated. Look to whales for a prime example of an animal that dives deep, can survive at depth, and because water is a VERY good conductor of heat is quite well adapted to surviving in an environment that has a much lower temperature than their body. Thus while long term Octavia may not be well adapted to surviving subarctic temperatures she would be quite able to survive them for a good long time. Insulation is importaint, and a mamal (which she appears to be) needs lots of insulation to survive at those extreme depths and temperatures.
 
The issue with this is that we know many LARGE animals that travel in those areas are very well insulated. Look to whales for a prime example of an animal that dives deep, can survive at depth, and because water is a VERY good conductor of heat is quite well adapted to surviving in an environment that has a much lower temperature than their body. Thus while long term Octavia may not be well adapted to surviving subarctic temperatures she would be quite able to survive them for a good long time. Insulation is importaint, and a mammal (which she appears to be) needs lots of insulation to survive at those extreme depths and temperatures.
As has been said by the author, Octavia uses magic to get around a lot of the problems for living in the oceans.
 
Of those numbers however only a fraction are combat trained and stationed at the Cait Sith Capital.

Not everyone in Helm's Deep was a trained soldier either. But they still contributed because their backs were to the wall and they were facing total annihilation. And it's likely to be the same for every Fae city under siege.

Though with the report of as many humans as Fae living in the Faction Capitals, I'd imagine if Reconquista can't take a Fae city immediately or even directly, they'll appeal to the humans living there and offer to spare them, if they'd only turn on the Fae and let Reconquista in the city.
 
Not everyone in Helm's Deep was a trained soldier either. But they still contributed because their backs were to the wall and they were facing total annihilation. And it's likely to be the same for every Fae city under siege.

Though with the report of as many humans as Fae living in the Faction Capitals, I'd imagine if Reconquista can't take a Fae city immediately or even directly, they'll appeal to the humans living there and offer to spare them, if they'd only turn on the Fae and let Reconquista in the city.
How up to date is Reconquista's intelligence about the current population distribution of the fae cities though?
 
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Not everyone in Helm's Deep was a trained soldier either. But they still contributed because their backs were to the wall and they were facing total annihilation. And it's likely to be the same for every Fae city under siege.

Helm's Deep wasn't real life.

When similar circumstances happened in Real Life people either bolted or capitulated to the invaders.

Though with the report of as many humans as Fae living in the Faction Capitals, I'd imagine if Reconquista can't take a Fae city immediately or even directly, they'll appeal to the humans living there and offer to spare them, if they'd only turn on the Fae and let Reconquista in the city.

It might be the Fae that the offer is made to.

Which brings up the question of how many Fae would abandon the city if Reconquista gives them the chance to safely do so?
 
Not everyone in Helm's Deep was a trained soldier either. But they still contributed because their backs were to the wall and they were facing total annihilation. And it's likely to be the same for every Fae city under siege.

Though with the report of as many humans as Fae living in the Faction Capitals, I'd imagine if Reconquista can't take a Fae city immediately or even directly, they'll appeal to the humans living there and offer to spare them, if they'd only turn on the Fae and let Reconquista in the city.

That's was common for any city, castle or under siege, everyone took part because if it fell there would be a sack and a good chance part or all of the population would slaughtered and worse. As for humans turning fae for the Reconquista there is issues other than the big ones of lloyalty and honor that Reconquista are heretics who have resorted to unholy necromancy, I can already picture the preaching of how killing a member of Reconquista cleanses a sin.
 
Helm's Deep wasn't real life.

When similar circumstances happened in Real Life people either bolted or capitulated to the invaders.



It might be the Fae that the offer is made to.

Which brings up the question of how many Fae would abandon the city if Reconquista gives them the chance to safely do so?

In real life most people went to extreme lengths to resist besiegers against forces that outnumbered them by massive amounts that make helms deep look like a walk in the park in comparison even more so against religious enemies and foreign powers which Reconquista is both.
 
How up to date is Reconquista's intelligence about the current population distribution of the fae cities though?
All their accurate/up to date information on Tristain and the Fae stopped when Henrietta started the purge back in mid/late spring. It is now the middle of summer and Reconquista is going to be attacking the cities sometime in the fall so their info will be five to seven months out of date I'd say.
In real life most people went to extreme lengths to resist besiegers against forces that outnumbered them by massive amounts that make helms deep look like a walk in the park in comparison even more so against religious enemies and foreign powers which Reconquista is both.
And considering what the Reconquista are likely to do to any captured/killed Fae they're going to fight all the harder.

Though why would you need to...Vaer right?

Let me guess, he's saying that the moment the Reconquista appear on the horizon, the humans living in the Fae cities will immediately turn on and slaughter their Fae neighbors, throw open then gates and present the bodies to their good and noble Reconquista saviors or something.:rolleyes:
 
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How up to date is Reconquista's intelligence about the current population distribution of the fae cities though?

Probably up dated enough considering all one needs to do is walk into one, or just be in the country to hear plenty of news about the jobs being offered in the cities, and how displaced people are taking them up.

But frankly if Newcastle was any indication, offering any defenders to be spared if they'd just surrender when initially trying to take it by force failed or proves too costly, is probably Reconquista's modus operandi.

They may try it on the Fae, but only to be laughed at. *imagines Reconquista soldier trying to figure out what 'ROFL!' means*

Helm's Deep wasn't real life.

News flash - neither's this story.

When similar circumstances happened in Real Life people either bolted or capitulated to the invaders.

Someone doesn't remember the Alamo.
 
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