Halkegenia Online Thread 22 - Kill Sheffield Vol. 2

Also arent the Puca like the lowest population of the fae? Because you need Musical talent to really get them going?
I think they were sort of tied with the Spriggans but don't quote me on that.

As for musical talent? Remember playing instruments was most likely a skill in the game a lot like Sillica in SAO. Even if they only ever played music through the system assist before the Transition, they know how to do it know with the implanted knowledge.
 
Where in the LN is it stated about Albion being 3 miles above sea level at lowest? Is it one of those blink and you miss it passages cause I don't recall that.

Ah found the quote, it was 3,000 mails not 3 miles. :oops:

ZnT Volume 7 Chapter 6

Because Albion, the floating continent, was located 3,000 mails above sea level, winters were sudden and harsh. A skinny person like Louise was exceedingly sensitive to the cold. She experienced Albion's winter for the first time. All wrapped up in a blanket, she trembled in front of the brightly burning fireplace.

Which actually creates more questions then answers.

Since if it has Winter the mist should freeze to the island and drag the whole thing down due to the massive increase in weight.

On top of which the multi mile long ice buildups should cause massive tidel waves ever year when they fall in the summer.

And of course there is still the Dunkirk fleet descending onto Albion without any atmospheric pressure problems.
 
:Citation Needed: on 3 miles above sea level and that it is the lowest
And again :Citation Needed: on coming down a mile above dunkirk

As far as I am aware they didnt come high at all they came in normally just high for the docks which since it was early dawn is not surprising to avoid accidents.

But the Highest city in the world is in peru and it is 3.1 miles high and has 30,000 people.
Humans can survive at 3.6 miles for 2 years.
Once you get into 4 miles you cant survive and need O2.

That may be Earth standard, but remember that this is a different world. The atmosphere might well be thicker (height wise), with oxygen and atmospheric pressure being different than Earth. It's enough for a hand-wave and skipping a lot of 'real' world atmospheric science.
 
Remember the higher quality training and windstones means Albion ships have a large mobility advantage compared to Tristians ships.

In addition they have something like 3 times the number of ships that Tristian does. And Tristian can't ever concentrate all it's fleet at a single point. They have to keep scouts and pickets up on their border. On top of standing fleets to defend the various ports and military bases.

So even at most Tristian might be able to meet the number of the First Attack. After which if they win they will probably only have 2/3ds of their fleet left to engage the second fleet.
For manoeuvrability, the Albionese will be restricted by the endurance of their windstones while Tristain can get new ones whenever. That should offset the quality advantage.

I didn't realise Albion had such a numbers advantage, do you have a citation on that?

Tristain will have to keep it's fleet concentrated regardless, because a divided fleet won't be able to defend against an Albionese attack. If they keep standing fleets to defend multiple bases, Albion will just attack one of them in force and retreat, repeating until the Tristain fleet is whittled away.
 
That may be Earth standard, but remember that this is a different world. The atmosphere might well be thicker (height wise), with oxygen and atmospheric pressure being different than Earth. It's enough for a hand-wave and skipping a lot of 'real' world atmospheric science.
Well except if that were the case Saito should have noticed right away being from Earth and all.
 
Ah found the quote, it was 3,000 mails not 3 miles. :oops:



Which actually creates more questions then answers.

Since if it has Winter the mist should freeze to the island and drag the whole thing down due to the massive increase in weight.

On top of which the multi mile long ice buildups should cause massive tidel waves ever year when they fall in the summer.

And of course there is still the Dunkirk fleet descending onto Albion without any atmospheric pressure problems.
You're acting as if all of the mist around Albion will all turn into ice on the cliff sides. I'd figure it's more likely that most of the mist will not condense and freeze on the cliff sides, meaning there would be far less additional weight than you assume would exist.
 
For manoeuvrability, the Albionese will be restricted by the endurance of their windstones while Tristain can get new ones whenever. That should offset the quality advantage.

Actually it's the other way around.

Remember outside of Albion Windstones are rare and expensive. That means Albion ships will have much larger and longer lasting windstone stores then Tristian ships.

I didn't realise Albion had such a numbers advantage, do you have a citation on that?

Even after the losses at Tarbes it was said the combined Germanian, Gallian, Tristian fleet only matched that of Albion.

Tristain will have to keep it's fleet concentrated regardless, because a divided fleet won't be able to defend against an Albionese attack. If they keep standing fleets to defend multiple bases, Albion will just attack one of them in force and retreat, repeating until the Tristain fleet is whittled away.

They don't have a choice, Reconquista's higher mobility means if they don't Reconquista will just split it's fleet to strike multiple targets at once.

Like what is going to happen.
 
Ah found the quote, it was 3,000 mails not 3 miles. :oops:



Which actually creates more questions then answers.

Since if it has Winter the mist should freeze to the island and drag the whole thing down due to the massive increase in weight.

On top of which the multi mile long ice buildups should cause massive tidel waves ever year when they fall in the summer.

And of course there is still the Dunkirk fleet descending onto Albion without any atmospheric pressure problems.
What Dunkirk fleet?
It was one ship
Chapter 13 Part 1
Captain Thorn harrumphed in disdain. "Begging your pardon Miss, but the Sabrina's not some pieces of driftwood tied round a Ballasting Engine. My lads and I know these skies, our instruments, and the coast of Albion."

and no other ship is mentioned so again WHAT fleet?

In Part 2 they count to 10 using One thousand one. One thousand two and so forth after drop which means they CANT be a mile up based on simple math.
Terminal Velocity which the Fae WONT reach at 10 seconds even with added weight since it takes 15 seconds for a sky diver to reach 99% of terminal Velocity. Since a Skydiver's parachute is heavy we can say it roughly makes up the weight difference between an Armored Arm Fae and a Skydiver with some give and take.
So a basic math of a car going 125 MPH for 10 seconds is .3472222 miles.
And since the Fae wont be going 125 MPH for all of that 10 seconds (Bomb weight may enhance how fast it takes to reach terminal velocity) since they jumped the distance is most likely halved.
This is as far as the calculations I can go without knowing the weight of the bomb

So They CANT be a mile up.

He had some way to measure how high the atmosphere went, and oxygen percentages at different heights from sea level? Even a slight change of an extra mile of breathable atmosphere wouldn't be noticeable from the ground.
That is untrue an extra mile of breathable air would create a denser lower atmo and be easier to breathe.
Runners from high altitudes who run in lower Altitudes notice they can breath much easier because they are use to a lighter O2 % so they can run much easier.
So if the Atmo had a higher O2 Celling the pressure of that would mean a higher % in the lower Atmos as gravity pulls on the O2.

So Saito would 100% notice that because he would find it MUCH easier to breathe in Halk then on Earth if that was the case.

He would also notice while on Albion because he would have been living long enough for his body to adapt to the % of the O2 in trsitain and would have had trouble catching his breath on Albion which would have a lesser O2 %.
This is Altitude sickness at its most basic.
 
More like he should have noticed the air quality difference from breathing.

The general air quality is probably better, but even here on earth, you can find places with better air quality than Tokyo. That by itself would only tell him he's not in Tokyo. And his eyes were plenty for that.
 
I'm talking about the physical conditions at the bottom of Earth's oceans, and the kinds of evolutionary adaptations needed to survive down there. And in this case, what those adaptations don't account for.

I am not claiming that Octavia is vulnerable to cold, I'm saying that she's not invulnerable to it. There's a difference. (Like Superman and magic – he's no more vulnerable to it than any other mortal, it just simply happens to be one area that his invulnerability doesn't cover for.)

Even if ice can qualify for Octavia's power-up (which I'm still unconvinced of), the kinds of temperatures present in a blizzard could very well suck out her body heat to lethal levels, long before her power-up can kick in enough that she might be able to protect herself from the cold.

Dude TH already said that it doesn't work that way and she is fine with ice. Because Magic.

Well except if that were the case Saito should have noticed right away being from Earth and all.

Saito ain't exactly the most observant of people and he had other stuff on his mind when he arrived.
 
Actually it's the other way around.
Remember outside of Albion Windstones are rare and expensive. That means Albion ships will have much larger and longer lasting windstone stores then Tristian ships.
Even after the losses at Tarbes it was said the combined Germanian, Gallian, Tristian fleet only matched that of Albion.
They don't have a choice, Reconquista's higher mobility means if they don't Reconquista will just split it's fleet to strike multiple targets at once.
Like what is going to happen.
NOPE
They suffered greater Losses at Dunkirk because it not only took out ships it damaged the docks itself. In terms of Material that puts a MASSIVE monkey wrench in the works.

Except the issue with Albion is the will need to burn Windstones going to and from Tristain to even get there before they can engage. Tristain on the other hand has to use less to get to a point and has more safe harbors.

No Vaer doesnt understand they CANT split their forces due to distance involved they NEED a beachhead otherwise they spend too much energy going from place to place their ships wont make it back.

Reconquista has LESS mobility due to the fact the returning home will burn their fuel just like with modern Fighters you have to keep an eye on both the To trip as well as the Return trip.
Throw in Combat and their fuel lines because they have to travel so much are stretched thin.

Its WHY Reconquista aimed at Tristain its the closest during the Full two moons and has the weakest military. They were going to invade and take it then use it as a launching platform to invade other countries.
They 100% needed Tarbes without they werent going to be able to fight the war.
 
I hope the capture of Cadenza will lead to some character development for Zia. It is her people after all, and her home that will be lost. If I remember right, she's really soft spoken, so her having a desire to retake Cadenza and possibly save her people (if they are captured or made slaves instead of outright killed), could at lead her into playing a far more active role. Especially if she decides to lead the charge for taking it back and showing how dangerous Puca can be.
 
I hope the capture of Cadenza will lead to some character development for Zia. It is her people after all, and her home that will be lost. If I remember right, she's really soft spoken, so her having a desire to retake Cadenza and possibly save her people (if they are captured or made slaves instead of outright killed), could at lead her into playing a far more active role. Especially if she decides to lead the charge for taking it back and showing how dangerous Puca can be.
I don't think Cadenza will be captured outright from TH's description. I'm seeing more the Puca are mostly driven back and we get a lot of very nasty urban combat until allied forces can relieve them.
 
I'm thinking that Reconquista will try a few major thrusts all at once with the objective of knocking out a few of the Faeries 'strongholds' before thy can be fully fortified.

So Freelia Cadenza and Sylvain are in the crosshairs to try and assault before winter with ambitions of pinning Tau To and Gaddan (no I can't stop laughing at those last two either)

I figure they'll be repelled at Freelia and Sylvain but be permitted to mostly take Cadenza as the city is very poorly defensible and securing the area as far afield as Tarbes. (This will become their main foothold and will likely be the sight of a counter attack with possible help from Germania to drive them off)

The culmination of this will be the begining of winter possibly starting with a counter attack to grab a foothold on Albion before bunkering down for winter.

Then I can do the jotunhim arc like the present beach arc.
I doubt they'd split too much, or too early. They'd certainly stick together until Tristain's coast and then the most I'd expect is the main fleet moving on to leave a siege force at Freelia and heading for either Sylvain of Cadenza, but certainly not both. Though a quick raid on the other might also be dispatched.

The main fleet would also be trying to stay close enough to reinforce the siege group if needed.

Edit: But no matter what they need to watch their windstones since a trip to Albion is at least a couple days each way, plus supply time, means that new windstones would take almost a (Earth) week to get to the lines, presuming stockpiles at the nearest port.
 
Last edited:
Random info.

I added up the number of words over at FFnet that have been posted (still not caught up further then where Sheffield meets the Shiori for the first time), and I got this.

1,185,854 words

Not bad TH. Not bad at all. And that's not counting the side-story either you have there.
 
I figure they'll be repelled at Freelia and Sylvain but be permitted to mostly take Cadenza as the city is very poorly defensible and securing the area as far afield as Tarbes. (This will become their main foothold and will likely be the sight of a counter attack with possible help from Germania to drive them off)
And this sparked a snap-snip:

~Somewhere in Albion~

A Commoner, a Servant, a living, breathing and forever invisible part of his master's household Andrew might have been, but the elderly man was also curious as a cat and twice as nosy, which had served him well in fulfilling his duty throughout his years of service.

There were few matters that he didn't know or haven't heard of, either from his underlings or his fellow butlers or by virtue of his sharp, well-honed ears. And the war council hosted by his Young Master away from prying eyes of men of questionable loyalty, the likes of the followers of Admiral Blake for example, was indeed something he wouldn't miss.

"… hy balls of yarn?" an unfamiliar voice chuckled, making the elderly man-servant frown ever so slightly. The Tudors fell a bit too fast and loyalties had changed far too rapidly for him to recognize most of his Master's new best friends.

"Why not?" another chuckled, this time he recognized the laughing noble as Sir Graham, the fast friend and fellow Dullahan Knight of the Young Master, and loathed by the widowed mistress for his womanizing, drunkard ways and obvious bad influence, "They are Cat Faeries, these Cait Syths. Quite animalistic from what I've heard from Germanian traders, cat eyes, cat ears, cat tails. They even make this 'Nyah' noise. Wouldn't be surprise if by the time we start our attack they'd be too intoxicated by catnip and entangled in yarn to put up a good fight."

"Then we are lucky we won't wait for spring," snorted the Young Master, "else the poor common troops would have had to deal with all the shedding I suppose. Served those Tristanian heretics right for not making their abominations off of perverting something more reliable… like dogs!! But then what do these heretics know of loyalty and honor anyway?"

In his hiding place behind an armor stand Andrew nodded approvingly. Regardless of what one thought, it was the official statement of Good Lord Cromwell's government that Faeries allied with Tristanians were perversion of God's blessed natural world and created by defiling Founder's holy teachings… and that was what a wise man would say when there are ears around.

And from artificially angry and indignant mutters of agreement it seemed the Young Master's friends knew this too.

"Does this city of cats have a name, Sir Graham?" asked another unfamiliar voice.

"Freelia." Replied the Dullahan Knight, "And from what I've heard, once it falls it would be serving as our Navy's forward base to support the ground forces in attacking the Faerie cities to north and south."

"You make it sound too easy, Sir Graham." The first voice cut in, "I've heard the Fourth Dragon Knights Squadron's entire force suffered heavy casualties trying to detain a handful of Faerie spies, and not only the Faeries escaped but also they burned a whole town to the ground."

"Don't believe whatever you hear," Sir Graham admonished, "The Faeries aren't all that tough or impressive. And if you are talking about the incident near Saxe-Gotha, you should check your sources. Firstly it wasn't the whole Squadron, it was just a group of Dragoons. Secondly, the Faeries had already burned down the whole village before the Dragoons even arrived. And thirdly, whoever who told you this somehow forgot to mention the traitorous royalists helping the Faeries and how they were killed in the fire."

"And besides, think about it lads," he continued, "The Faeries are not even old enough to remember the last winter. Sure, they have blasphemous magics and monstrous strength, but they don't have the skills or the experience. They are like beasts lads, and beasts are always tamed or killed by their betters!"

"Well said, Sir Graham!" Declared the Young Master, "If I recall correctly the two Faerie cities you mentioned would be Cadenza, which is essentially some sort of circus and city of the faux Elves," he spat the last word like the accursed thing it was, "Sylvain and it doesn't have any fortifications. I don't think our forces would have much trouble taking either."

"Indeed," Sir Graham agreed, "And they will not be our final goal. Once they are taken, I believe we would move toward two other Faerie cities of Tau Tona and Gaddan. Haven't heard much about these places, but from their positioning I believe we are planning to use them for the second stage of the war in the spring."

"By Winter we will have our forces stationed and rested there and when the weather starts to get warmer, we will stage a pincer attack from north and south and take both Tristanian and the Faerie's capital in one fell swoop. Gentlemen, by the next year today we will be drinking finest Tarbes wines in Tristania as heroes, watching those sniveling Germanian commoners and that mad-king of Gallia coming there and beg to join our righteous cause."

Andrew shook his head when another round of applaud and cheers started. It all sounded well and good, but the old butler had not grayed his hair for nothing… wars rarely went as planned and young and ambitious men tended to find only a wooden box for their trouble.

Well… For now he would wait and listen, and if there was more to the Faeries of ALfheim than the Good Lord's office had said and they were indeed as terrible and powerful as his old friend's Master, a Knight stationed at York during the Tristanians' attack had said, well, good thing his predecessor had given him the secret recipe for that one medicine just in case.

EDIT: Now, mostly awaken, I know how my Mostly-Asleep self writes.
 
Last edited:
So would it be possible to get some stats for Freelia and the Albion Navy? Freelia recently got the upgraded cannons and reinforced walls. That has to count for something. That's without even mentioning the Dragoons and other mounts/pets or the fact that in a 1v1 most Fae can take on line mages with little difficulty. Here what I'm getting from the thread so far (correct me if I'm wrong):

Albion:
Advantages​
  • Surprise
  • Experience
  • Willingness to Kill
  • Heavy Air Support
Disadvantages​
  • Unknown Battlefield
  • Unknown Enemy Composition
  • Low Morale
  • Poor Leadership
Fae/Tristain:
Advantages​
  • Territorial Control
  • Competent Leadership
  • High Morale
  • Improved Weaponry
  • Improved Defenses
Disadvantages​
  • Low Experience
  • Unwilling to Kill
  • Moderate Readiness
  • Vague Knowledge of Enemy Fleet Composition
Also, on the topic of weaponry...

God damn it Alfa, that damn song is now stuck in my head.
 
Ultimate buff/debuff song.


Requires a large orchestra, buffs allies like they just got hit with all three of Wendy's buff spells and makes enemies feel as though they have no chance of winning.

Plus RETCO is creatively bankrupt.
 
If I was on Tristain's Fleet Commander place, than the Albion's Fleet Compartment attacking Freelia would be my logical target. Pin the ships between your fleet and Freelia's cannons and they are toast. Freelia is the worst target to attack because it's an island small enough to be covered by city's artillery so how do you land there without heavy losses ala Omaha beach?
 
Last edited:
But no matter what they need to watch their windstones since a trip to Albion is at least a couple days each way, plus supply time, means that new windstones would take almost a (Earth) week to get to the lines, presuming stockpiles at the nearest port.

It's about 12 hours give or take not a couple days. o_O
 
Random info.

I added up the number of words over at FFnet that have been posted (still not caught up further then where Sheffield meets the Shiori for the first time), and I got this.

1,185,854 words

Not bad TH. Not bad at all. And that's not counting the side-story either you have there.

More then twice as long as Nobody Dies (the original Version) and Kyon: Big Damn Hero, the two longer Fanfiction I am familiar with. Almost twice as long as Fallout: Equestria.

Its also longer then all of Harry Potter.
 
Back
Top