Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Would be better to just restore her to health rather than try to upgrade or minionify her. She was a young child when she was originally injured but is well into adulthood now, with most of her life spent in a coma. It would be good enough just to wake her up, but if we could also restore the lost years, Marcone would owe us big.

The Shroud didn't work because it doesn't really have innate magical powers, not in that way. In the DF setting, however, it does serve as an immensely powerful focal object for the Faith of a significant chunk of humanity, so that gives it a lot of juice in certain circumstances.
Yeah. If he was willing to try stuff like transforming her into something else that'd provide regeneration he could probably have gotten her turned into a red court vampire by now. Or paid for healing that comes with a nasty catch from someone else for that matter.

Offering to make her into a monster, cyborg, or minion/hostage would probably convince him to send us home with a firm no and complementary car bomb.
 
She's been in a coma for a long while now.

Marcone went so far as to "borrow" the Shroud of Turin on the off chance that it might be able to heal her.
Sadly, best option is normal Medicinal rolls + Tool Transending Construct to speed it up. All other options require transformations or similar.

So yeah, Verdant Emptiness Endowment is probably the charm that can work as all others require her to be awake, which she is not and even then some one has to wish her to wake up fully healed.

Actually, here is VEE has this text.

The Infernal can grant any of the following: a dot of an Attribute; a dot of an Ability; a dot of a Background; a Merit; or she can remove a Flaw. No character can have more than one wish granted in the course of a year.
So it may not work as well, since waking her up is.....what exactly in the context of a dot of an Attribute; a dot of an Ability; a dot of a Background; a Merit; or she can remove a Flaw.

Because it is silent on if someone can remove flaws of others.
 
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Would be better to just restore her to health rather than try to upgrade or minionify her. She was a young child when she was originally injured but is well into adulthood now, with most of her life spent in a coma. It would be good enough just to wake her up, but if we could also restore the lost years, Marcone would owe us big.

The Shroud didn't work because it doesn't really have innate magical powers, not in that way. In the DF setting, however, it does serve as an immensely powerful focal object for the Faith of a significant chunk of humanity, so that gives it a lot of juice in certain circumstances.
:V Restore her lost years... make her bullet proof...

Just sayin.

Offering to make her into a monster, cyborg, or minion/hostage would probably convince him to send us home with a firm no and complementary car bomb.
Agreed, but a magically improved pace maker/whatever would help with a coma, would not be particularly objectionable.

While I am a big fan of using mad science to augment and improve people. Nowhere in the charm does it say we have to do that.

We could go to the trauma ward and set people up with supernaturally effective and durable prosthetics, pacemakers, organs, etc, and then walk out. Were not gonna do that though. It would be time consuming.

So yeah, Verdant Emptiness Endowment is probably the charm that can work as all others require her to be awake, which she is not and even then some one has to wish her to wake up fully healed.
Marc would wish for it.

Because it is silent on if someone can remove flaws of others.
You can get other people as background (follower, staff, mentor, ally).

I don't know why you think other people can't be effected by the charm? It doesn't say anything like that.
 
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I don't know why you think other people can't be effected by the charm? It doesn't say anything like that.
I was asking how curing a 3rd person is in the context of Background dots. As in how it would effect his char sheet. Because curing her does not give him any background dots so how would it work?
 
I was asking how curing a 3rd person is in the context of Background dots. As in how it would effect his char sheet. Because curing her does not give him any background dots so how would it work?
This isn't a pure mechanics thing? I am not sure why your so hung up on it?

As for that. Its removing a flaw from his character sheet.

Hm...

Here we go probably this?
Ward (3 pt. Flaw)
You are devoted to protecting someone, perhaps a close friend or relative from the days before your First Change. This may be a child (or wolf cub) that relies upon you for care as well as protection. Or it can be an adult who, because of their connection to you, finds themselves exposed to dangers beyond what they can handle themselves. It could even represent a small pack of wolves who rely on you to protect them from human and supernatural predation. Regardless, your Ward's path is firmly tied to yours in some way, and they have a knack for finding themselves in the middle of trouble, looking to you to save the day.
Albeit at a much lower difficulty because shes comatose.

Also apparently being a bakemono really sucks. Thats unfortunate. Not sure about the whole list of their abilities though. I am sure some of them can pass as human without being in constant agony.
 
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Guys, Molly has no idea the girl exists and no reason to go looking for her.
Just speculating for the future, like most of the charms discussion that has gone completely over my head. Harry knows about her, and the book with the Shroud of Turin was his first interaction with Denarians and Knights of the Cross, so it wouldn't be too unusual if she ends up learning of the comatose girl.

It also wouldn't be hard to believe Harry eventually mentioning the possibility of Molly helping the girl, if her powers happen to develop in the necessary direction.
 
That girl is one of Marcone's most closely-guarded secrets, and Harry isn't going to tell anybody about her. If Marcone gets even a whiff of anyone making moves around her, he will go gunning for both Harry and Molly with no questions asked.
 
That girl is one of Marcone's most closely-guarded secrets, and Harry isn't going to tell anybody about her. If Marcone gets even a whiff of anyone making moves around her, he will go gunning for both Harry and Molly with no questions asked.
I don't know about that. It's not something Harry would just mention in casual conversation, but despite how much he dislikes Marcone, if he thought Molly had a genuine chance of healing the girl, he would reach out to the man if only for the child's sake. Marcone isn't Harry's biggest fan, either, but he knows Harry is honest and well meaning, and would never do anything to deliberately risk the girl's life.
 
Harry has an in with Listens-to-Wind, aka the best wizard-doctor in the world. If he thought magic could cure her, he's already got the means to try. But healing with magic is not really something you can pull out of your pocket with DF magic, so Harry wouldn't even think if having the untrained not-apprentice try.

And even if he accepted that Molly was using some ancient form of magic arising from her new supernatural state, he would also not let that magic anywhere near the girl because as far as he's concerned, that type of magic always has a steep and usually tragic cost.
 
I don't know about that. It's not something Harry would just mention in casual conversation, but despite how much he dislikes Marcone, if he thought Molly had a genuine chance of healing the girl, he would reach out to the man if only for the child's sake. Marcone isn't Harry's biggest fan, either, but he knows Harry is honest and well meaning, and would never do anything to deliberately risk the girl's life.
Verdant Emptiness Endowment is pretty far away though, being a 5 dot Charm. Until that point where we get it, even Molly won't know she can do it, I imagine.
 
Meeting Ebenezer is going to be interesting. I don't think Harry knows yet that he's the black ops, authorized to do black magic hitman of the Council.
 
Also apparently being a bakemono really sucks. Thats unfortunate. Not sure about the whole list of their abilities though. I am sure some of them can pass as human without being in constant agony.

Some of them can, depending on what 'blessings' the dark spirit gives them. They can even be purely mental. The best comparison I can think of is Chaos Mutations in Warhammer. All of them come with some nasty catch because well the spirit is the kind of being that sees a proverbial pillar of tainted essence staining the sky poison green and they think 'ooh I want me some of that '. That said False Spring can just put all the negatives on pause

Verdant Emptiness Endowment though paid to Marcone on the other hand will work fine, since caring for the girl is mechanically one of his flaws which you can remove by healing her. He would still care about her after you do it since she is also one of his intimacies.
 
Verdant Emptiness Endowment though paid to Marcone on the other hand will work fine, since caring for the girl is mechanically one of his flaws which you can remove by healing her. He would still care about her after you do it since she is also one of his intimacies.
VEE can be used to heal others by proxy, got it.

Thus, can it be used to curse/hex others from a third party then?
 
So, as far as charms go, I think we need:
1) Tool-Transcending Constructs. I already made the case for why - in modern setting having no need for tools is utterly broken. And Dresden stories show again and again that the key to victory is preparation, and one can punch way above their power level with proper tools.
2) Hollow Mind Possession - that's pretty much the only easy way I see for protecting our devices from magical entropy effect, and to maybe get Dresden (who has to be at least a three dot ally) smart devices, until we get
3) Constructive Convergence of Principles - we sadly have nothing to permanently fortify mechanical and electronic devices against the ravages of magic. So, making our own magical devices will have to suffice.
4) Source Code Compliance Protocol - there's a reason for this. And that reason lies on the Dresden side of the story. The "language at the heart of all languages" pretty much has to be Enochian, ie the language of angels. Even if not (and I strongly think it is), the charm could be cludged into a teaching one, by analyzing the recordings of said language. It would be dead useful. Especially with Bob being around.
5) Endless Torment Emanation - that's a story long anti-bureaucracy charm. Most, if not all our main enemies will be organizations. The ability to f*ck them up without needing to directly confront them is invaluable. And as far as I can see there's nothing stopping us from stacking those charms. at least against people involved in multiple conspiracies and societies.

Because f*ck Nicodemius and f*ck the Black Council.
 
And as far as I can see there's nothing stopping us from stacking those charms. at least against people involved in multiple conspiracies and societies.
Yog is observant. In 2.5 Exalted, Charms that work off Bureaucracy oft cannot be resisted. It stacks if you wish to divide a season's worth of progress to hinder your foe. WhiteWolf saw this oversight in the inherent overpowered nature of Bureaucracy Charm, and thus published Mandate of Heaven to better simplify it so that it will not have the power to be able to destroy the entire Realm infrastructure and Satrapies in 5 years. They also wanted to publish another book specializing further in Bureaucracy.

Alas, 2014 saw the twilight day of Exalted and the planned book was shelved to never see the light of day.
Not unless they care about that person to the point where it is somehow a major part of their life. It works off weird and wacky conceptual logic and this is one of the rare cases where it can do so much heavy lifting on someone other than the person making the wish.
'Verdant Emptiness Endowment can be used to other people by proxy if they are a part of said proxy's Intimacies. Whether it's positive or negative.' Am I correct?
 
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