Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

That assumes their hunger is an entirely separate being from the soul it is linked to, that it can act as an intermediary the same way a summoned demon can. How true that might be you guys will have to find out IC if you want to poke White Court vampires.
If I recall correctly, you previously told us that the hunger could be banished from whamps using ancient sorcery (with likely lethal results for whamps due to how closely they are connected to their hunger). This indicates that it is indeed a separate, if connected, entity.
We can countermand any orders we or anyone else gives them at will. We know it.
Actually, we know the opposite. If given an order "keep us here, unless condition X is satisfied, and do not let us leave, no matter what we say", a cyberdevil will keep us in the place indicated. That's how CCC abuse works.
Its here I also point out that we are barely a couple months old. There have been wizards and other supernaturals about for literally millenia. If industrial scale deposits of valuable magic material even exists, there's probably very good reasons wizards dont have stockpiles they either mined or traded for,
I'd like to point out that:
1) The population of wizards has exploded very recently
2) Industrial technological mining became a thing very recently too, in wizard and supernatural terms.

Both these factors combine resulting in no wizards have exploited modern industrial mining techniques in NeverNever. And supernatural beings do make use of these materials: Devil City raksha to hold our exaltation, and fomori to contain gossamer.
1)Gard was/is human. The Archive is human.
Gard was human. Archive is a very special case and her magic is from her mantle. Mantles manifestly have their own will.
 
If I recall correctly, you previously told us that the hunger could be banished from whamps using ancient sorcery (with likely lethal results for whamps due to how closely they are connected to their hunger). This indicates that it is indeed a separate, if connected, entity.

You can banish it, though you would then have to figure out some way to heal the agg it would inflict on the former vampire before it kills them, but just because it is distinct enough to kill separately does not mean it has a separate will and capacity to cast magic. After all a person's gut bacteria are distinct living creatures that exist in symbiosis, but that does not mean they are tool users.
 
There are supernatural nations in nevernever, with superhuman citizens and magics. That compensates for a lot.

We'll have to go deep to find unclaimed stuff, prolly.
no not really nevernever is basically endless you'll have to go deep to find certain things. To find unclaimed, claimed, occupied yet not claimed, and a billion other things is all possible. The real problem is its fuck huge and has a million dangerous and non dangerous things. there are literally countless unclaimed things. I will note many things in the nevernever can't come out of it though or if you do will just turn into ectoplasm.
 
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Actually, we know the opposite. If given an order "keep us here, unless condition X is satisfied, and do not let us leave, no matter what we say", a cyberdevil will keep us in the place indicated. That's how CCC abuse works.
I think the issue is that for all they're based on technology cyber demons aren't dumb AI and the charm mandates loyalty not simple rule following.

Letting us out would be messing with our project of the moment would be directly working against us, so they won't even if we tell them to do so.

This would presumably apply to the situation with the wizards to an extent, but if our interests change I doubt they'd cling to past orders instead of following our new direction.

They'd violate the old orders for the same reason they wouldn't follow new ones while locking us up; they aren't working through a buffer of orders, they're evaluating our interests and acting to serve them.
 
I think the issue is that for all they're based on technology cyber demons aren't dumb AI and the charm mandates loyalty not simple rule following.

Letting us out would be messing with our project of the moment would be directly working against us, so they won't even if we tell them to do so.

This would presumably apply to the situation with the wizards to an extent, but if our interests change I doubt they'd cling to past orders instead of following our new direction.

They'd violate the old orders for the same reason they wouldn't follow new ones while locking us up; they aren't working through a buffer of orders, they're evaluating our interests and acting to serve them.

The cyberdevils do also have their own personalities and desires so if a wizard was say an asshole to one of them they would be entirely capable of messing with them since the devils' absolute loyalty would not be to the wizard but to Molly. As long as they can reasonably convince themselves that they are not working against her interests they would have a lot more leeway for creative interpretation.

Anyway vote closed
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 29, 2022 at 10:10 AM, finished with 101 posts and 39 votes.
 
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Arc 4 Post 2: From Darkest Depths
From Darkest Depths

27st of July 2006 A.D.

Though you had crashed after parties before, much to your mother's displeasure that is nothing compared to what happens when you get home from Cleveland, you practically stumble into bed, leaving dad to the unenviable task of explaining the various horrors you had fought... and the ones you had briefly allied with. You fall to sleep as a stone cast in dark waters, sinking in moments beyond the light of sun and moon yet not beyond sight.

These waters are as clear to your eye, revealing alien vistas of twisted stone here growing like choral there igneous torrents frozen forever in place. Not a hideout, not a base or a laboratory you realize, but a city under the sea. Figures like man but not him, tall and gaunt, stretched out and scale covered move through white carved in eerie geometric patterns, not carved for the eye to see, but for the echoes they cast into the depths, a crumbling city under putrid sargasso clouds. Like the shape in the grey sphere, or really Rhys had been like them, an imitation that was not flattery but ambition.

Or maybe just a child's desire for their mother's love. The thought passes through your mind like a ripple through dark waters, bearing you along. Fraying white filaments wave in the windows like living lace and in each of their eyes and eye of flame is set. You are not the swimmer but the sea that envelops all, life-taker, life-giver.

All that they need I can provide.

You wake with a sudden jerk the Thora band poster on the other side of the room seeming wrong with their merely human proportions, like a half finished sculpture.

Is that...? Can I...? You try to interrogate your power, only it's not really 'your power', it's just you, it feels a little like trying to ask your lungs if they can breathe oxygen. Of course they can, they are doing it right now. But still it should feel a bit more extraordinary, certainly it merits a bit of testing. On quiet feet you slip into the bathroom and draw up a bath, not a bleach bath, you had already healed and recovered, just normal water. You step in... let your head slide underwater.

Breathing water feels odd and not at all like drinking water, but no less comfortable than breathing air. Now how about about...?

With a thought you find yourself lying on the surface of the water like you were one of those funny water bugs in nature documentaries only without so much as a 'by your leave' to the laws of physics. You stand up... The surface of the water still feels perfectly solid underfoot, more solid truth be told than the bathroom tile. As you step off you realize even the fine layer of water that you had spilled onto the tile gives you a stronger footing and so much more. It's like the water is supporting you, pushing you along, when you are very very quiet, enough that you can hear your heartbeat even whispering in a tongue older than man.

Hmm... would some kind of suit that maintained a layer of water next to my skin be enough to keep this going? No sooner had you asked the question that plans for all sorts of potential environmental suits bubble up from the depths of your mind, things you had seen in passing, even just a glance at the TV are now crystal clear in your mind's eye. I could make an astronaut's suit given the materials and the time.

That realization takes a moment and you will admit a little muffled squeeing to get over. Who hasn't dreamed of being an astronaut as a kid? If you really needed to you could probably survive in space without a suit, though unlike the waterbreathing this would not be indefinite immunity.

But there is something else you had dredged from the depths of the dream, something to do with the strange people.

"So long as they keep the faith you can give onto your servants-in-darkness what they need, whatever they need, that they may serve you well and joyously," Usum says with an air of satisfaction that almost has him purring.

So you go over the limitations with him, then you go over them again just be be sure. All those titles he has been lavishing you with seem suddenly a lot more reasonable than they had been yesterday. It's enough to make the breath catch in your throat, in excitement or in fear you are not sure which or maybe it's both. Focus Molly. You dry yourself off, a little regretful of the lost clarity, then turn to the day ahead. First take care of the vassals you already have.

How do you attempt to spring Black Rider?

[] Legally, you need some way to get a few thousand dollars fast
-[] Hacking, try to rob someone who deserves it (Write in who)
-[] Make some gems, you are sure you can find a buyer
-[] Write in

[] Illegally, all you really need is some place to hide the car
-[] Ask Gard, you are sure her boss has that kind of place
-[] Write in


OOC: Probably not what you guys were expecting, but with this many and varied charms I feel it is worth exploring the reactions, and at the same time I did not want to do a no vote update with this stuff so I put the action vote before this one.
 
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Can I suggest a write in that likely meets Molly's need to not dive head first into criminality while also dipping her toe into a wider plotline?

[] Semi legally
-[] Make some gems, even synthetic diamonds are worth hundreds of dollars
--[] Ask Gard, you are sure her boss knows some fences who won't ask questions
 
[X] Legally, you need some way to get a few thousand dollars fast
-[X] Hacking, try to rob someone who deserves it
--[X]The Pathfinders might as well kick them well they are down.
-[X] Make some gems, you are sure you can find a buyer

Why not both? Our cyber devils are able to act independently of us.
 
[X] Legally, you need some way to get a few thousand dollars fast
-[X] Hacking, try to rob someone who deserves it
--[X]The Pathfinders might as well kick them well they are down.
-[X] Make some gems, you are sure you can find a buyer
 
[X] Legally, you need some way to get a few thousand dollars fast
-[X] Hacking, try to rob someone who deserves it
--[X]The Pathfinders might as well kick them well they are down.
-[X] Make some gems, you are sure you can find a buyer
 
The fact that Molly can walk on water is sure to elicit some amusing reactions from her family. :V
And we have a crown of light that gives us a halo. We need to develop a catchphrase for when we go all magical princess nuclear hellfire chan. I suggest "BE NOT AFRAID!"

[X] Legally, you need some way to get a few thousand dollars fast
-[X] Hacking, try to rob someone who deserves it
--[X]The Pathfinders might as well kick them well they are down.
-[X] Make some gems, you are sure you can find a buyer
 
And we have a crown of light that gives us a halo. We need to develop a catchphrase for when we go all magical princess nuclear hellfire chan. I suggest "BE NOT AFRAID!"

[X] Legally, you need some way to get a few thousand dollars fast
-[X] Hacking, try to rob someone who deserves it
--[X]The Pathfinders might as well kick them well they are down.
-[X] Make some gems, you are sure you can find a buyer

I do not think anyone with working eyes themselves would mistake the Crown of Eyes for an angelic halo. :V
 
just remind that angels in the bible were described as aweful - as in full of terrible awe...

there is that form, described in, izakkiel, if i remember right, of a massanger of god, whose for is alien... with many wings and multiple heads...

(and make sure that you dont confirm or deny being an angel, marely imply , with a calm face).
 
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