Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
Pretty much. And any distinction from magic is academic from the standpoint of most: Its weird fucking shit that opens the door for a whole conga-line of bad times that wants to march in. The name or specific properties of that weird fucking shit is fairly irrelevant in the face of its magnificent door opening properties.
There are other arguments to use that are actually, you know, arguments. First and foremost is that we don't really have a grasp of what the fuck is going on and its not exactly going away and, at minimum, we want to be going into this eyes open. This isn't exactly spellwork we can turn off or leave in the closet. At best we can be circumspect.
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Ok, edits done. You got more out of him on the matter of the Merlin.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Also, you may want to use this code when rolling.
#4d10S7 xmax=1 ....Where
4 = No of Dice rolled.
d10 = highest a single dice can roll.
S7 = 7 and above count as suc and 1s are -sux and 10s are rolled again.
xmax=1 = Here, instead of counting the 10s reroll, it counts 10s as 2 sux and ignores the reroll, so even if the reroll is above 7 or more it still counts as 2 sux only.
So you get this.
In this roll we got 3 sux, 7 & 10.
One 1s. So a -1 with a total of 2 sux.
Hope this helps.
Also, you may want to use this code when rolling.
#4d10S7 xmax=1 ....Where
4 = No of Dice rolled.
d10 = highest a single dice can roll.
S7 = 7 and above count as suc and 1s are -sux and 10s are rolled again.
xmax=1 = Here, instead of counting the 10s reroll, it counts 10s as 2 sux and ignores the reroll, so even if the reroll is above 7 or more it still counts as 2 sux only.
So you get this.
In this roll we got 3 sux, 7 & 10.
One 1s. So a -1 with a total of 2 sux.
Hope this helps.
It does, thanks.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Can our alternate combat form be smaller? Turning into a giant 15 foot tall rock monster has its appeal, of course, but it's also quite limiting. Few if any structures would be accommodate our increased size, and even outdoors it could cause issues.
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- florida
There are a lot of options.
Living natural disaster (cloud/swarm)
Giant dude
normal sized dude
Animalistic monster.
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- Germany
Sure.
The Devil-Tyrant leaves us at normal size and gives us more aspects, but far less raw bonus.
Incarnate Apotheosis gives us even less bonus in terms of stats, but we have swarm-rules (which I don't know yet) and some more aspects.
Lastly the Devil-Beast is not clearly spelled out to be as large as the Demon-Emperor, but can propably be.
It's the closest in pure stats to Demon-Emperor, but faster and less tanky.
One disatvantage is that we benefit less from our already chosen demon-weapon, since this Shintai has lethal melee-options by default.
All in all the point of a Shintai is that it's not subtle, it's your Final Boss form when shit goes down, when diplomatic and sneaky options have already failed and just being a supreme combatant with a burning blade of hellfire is not enough to turn the tide.
I think the Demon Emperor leans best into this idea, you don't use it if you are still in a non-burning building.
At the most subtle you could first activate "When the Tigers Broke Free", which isolates a half-mile radius around us from the outer world and makes viewing anything inside from the outside impossible, as well as leaving or entering the area until we are done.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Devil Tyrant is the superior option because of this.
+4 to Dex is utter insanity as that is 4 more dice to hit something, more chances of sux that translate to better damage. It also makes fighting peers with high parry or dodge easier and makes Excellencies less needed.
Dex is the God Stat in Combat for a reason.
@DragonParadox with Regards to Shintai, do the + Attributes count towards Excellencies? As in are they added to like this (Excellency)+Shintai or added to excellency as in Excellency = Attribute+Ability+Shintai?
Since you physically transform into a being with those attributes I would say they get added before Excellency comes into effect.
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- Germany
Ah OK then, system designer would know best what is balanced. That stands.
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- Germany
Okay, I love the Demon Emperor for its style and toughness, but here's an alternative:
Perfect Shadow Conversing in the Transcendant Language of Violence
Devil-Tyrant Avatar Shintai
The character assumes a modified version of her own human form, studded with inhuman features and surging with demonic power, but still fundamentally recognizable as the Infernal. She may wear an ever-burning crown of flames upon her brow and grow wicked blades from her forearms, or sprout a lashing tail and venom-dripping wings, or extend all of her limbs into barbed and segmented nightmares, but her face remains her own and her general shape is still humanoid.
Strength +1, Dexterity +4, Stamina +1
Aspects:
Demon Armor: Increases Soak by +2 Dice
Flight: What it says
Hardened Devil Body: +3 Bruised Health levels
Swift Stride: Go twice as fast
Venomous: Add extra-damage with poisoned blades, bites, etc.
Camouflage: Bonus on stealth
Stealthy: Bonus on stealth
This shintai would be less of an emergency-button to hit and more about the idea that if you have to kill something, you do it fast, brutal and with nobody noticing anything until that person is dead.
Also good for getting away fast and silently if we have to.
I like it less, simply because if we stand next to Michael or Harry we can't always go stealthy and run away, we have to stick things out.
Perfect Shadow Conversing in the Transcendant Language of Violence
Devil-Tyrant Avatar Shintai
The character assumes a modified version of her own human form, studded with inhuman features and surging with demonic power, but still fundamentally recognizable as the Infernal. She may wear an ever-burning crown of flames upon her brow and grow wicked blades from her forearms, or sprout a lashing tail and venom-dripping wings, or extend all of her limbs into barbed and segmented nightmares, but her face remains her own and her general shape is still humanoid.
Strength +1, Dexterity +4, Stamina +1
Aspects:
Demon Armor: Increases Soak by +2 Dice
Flight: What it says
Hardened Devil Body: +3 Bruised Health levels
Swift Stride: Go twice as fast
Venomous: Add extra-damage with poisoned blades, bites, etc.
Camouflage: Bonus on stealth
Stealthy: Bonus on stealth
This shintai would be less of an emergency-button to hit and more about the idea that if you have to kill something, you do it fast, brutal and with nobody noticing anything until that person is dead.
Also good for getting away fast and silently if we have to.
I like it less, simply because if we stand next to Michael or Harry we can't always go stealthy and run away, we have to stick things out.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
This probably isn't the way to go, but it's a start. I'm sure ya'll have better suggestions.
[X] Bluntly, there is no point trying to sugarcoat this, you have changed and there is no going back. Now it is time to figure out just how (Charisma+Empathy)
-[X] "It's pretty obvious that I'm different now, right? It's not just this strange power that came out of nowhere, either." Molly gestures at her body before continuing, "Ignoring the fact that I just healed a serious leg injury from a freaking spider monster and barely even noticed it happening, I think there might be some issues going forward if I'm stuck giving everyone a literal cold shoulder. Am I even still human? If not, what am I?"
[X] Bluntly, there is no point trying to sugarcoat this, you have changed and there is no going back. Now it is time to figure out just how (Charisma+Empathy)
-[X] "It's pretty obvious that I'm different now, right? It's not just this strange power that came out of nowhere, either." Molly gestures at her body before continuing, "Ignoring the fact that I just healed a serious leg injury from a freaking spider monster and barely even noticed it happening, I think there might be some issues going forward if I'm stuck giving everyone a literal cold shoulder. Am I even still human? If not, what am I?"
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
@DragonParadox A question, are Shintai aspects permanent or can we pick them when donning the Shintai? It does not say anywhere that you cannot repick Aspects. That is to say, can we pick them per shintai use except for those that are locked in like in certain Shintais.
Also another question, are we limited to one Shintai or can we pick them when triggering? Because the book is silent on of we can choose only one shintai or not. As in can we trigger Devil-Tyrant Avatar in one scene and Demon Emperor in another?
The book does not probhibit both to the best of my knowledge.
[X] Bluntly, there is no point trying to sugarcoat this, you have changed and there is no going back. Now it is time to figure out just how (Charisma+Empathy)
-[X] "It's pretty obvious that I'm different now, right? It's not just this strange power that came out of nowhere, either." Molly gestures at her body before continuing, "Ignoring the fact that I just healed a serious leg injury from a freaking spider monster and barely even noticed it happening, I think there might be some issues going forward if I'm stuck giving everyone a literal cold shoulder. Am I even still human? If not, what am I?"
Also another question, are we limited to one Shintai or can we pick them when triggering? Because the book is silent on of we can choose only one shintai or not. As in can we trigger Devil-Tyrant Avatar in one scene and Demon Emperor in another?
The book does not probhibit both to the best of my knowledge.
[X] Bluntly, there is no point trying to sugarcoat this, you have changed and there is no going back. Now it is time to figure out just how (Charisma+Empathy)
-[X] "It's pretty obvious that I'm different now, right? It's not just this strange power that came out of nowhere, either." Molly gestures at her body before continuing, "Ignoring the fact that I just healed a serious leg injury from a freaking spider monster and barely even noticed it happening, I think there might be some issues going forward if I'm stuck giving everyone a literal cold shoulder. Am I even still human? If not, what am I?"
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
I like the idea of being fast and nimble. Being able to tank some damage is necessary, but there are some attacks and effects you just don't want to let hit you, no matter what, and being able to avoid them entirely is the way to go.
Also, I'm all for having an alternate form, it's just that some people are going to draw unpleasant associations between it and Denarian transformations. It's understandable, though no less of an issue. Thankfully, we at least shouldn't have Knights of the Cross gunning for us.
You get to make one Shintai and it has to have all the same aspects because that is not a suit you wear, it is your form as the Demon Emperor pulled from the potential into the present by the power of exaltation
Don't such attacks usually have the effect of eliminating the possibility of physical evasion altogether? Such attacks need to be able to withstand or absorb, and a stronger and more impressive form should be a better option for that.
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- She/Her
can we choose how the shintai looks as long as it sticks with some specific aspects of the chosen shintai eg still being 15 feet tall if we choose Demon Emperor or staying normal sized with extra appendages with tyrant?
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- She/Her
Idk 15 feet tall with 3 heads, 9 arms and 6 legs sounds fucking cool as shit assuming we can take a custom shape
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
I would assume those are the cases where we would deploy a defensive charm, spell, or item.
IIRC, however, there are not that many of those sorts of dangers in DF, and most of those aren't the kinds of threats you can tank regardless of how tough you are, because they do weird shit to you directly with magic if they overcome whatever defenses you have in place.
But it's also something we could seldomly use. Never mind the issue with attracting attention, it would just plain not fit in 90+% of the places we're likely to see combat.