I mean, he's not human. Harry likely has the ability, if not the knowledge, to bring him back. Bob has the knowledge.Can we let him die, then ask our crown how to bring him back?
So we circle back to ask Bob.
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So we circle back to ask Bob.
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A pity, but fair and somewhat expected.
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If we want to get Harry an Exaltation, it would be easier to just track down one of the others locked up somewhere and give him an appropriate one of those. I can see reasonable arguments for him qualifying for Twilight, Lunar, or multiple Castes of Sidereal, with varying levels of strength for each claim.
That is a horrible idea, especially since we don't know how much power it would give her. And it probably wouldn't even count, since she specified Arwan, not just the First Ankou or his mantle. And there's a good chance she's Nemesis-infected. It's just a terrible plan all around.
And this was going to literally be my next argument, glad to see I was thinking along the same track.
[X] Tell Lydia, it's her life and her father that's in danger
- [X] Ask Harry if he has any good ideas about keeping Mab from getting hooks in the innocent girl.
This is the best plan posted so far, I believe.
… Although, if Lydia gets the full mantle, would it be potentially possible for her to resurrect her dad herself? She would be a fully realized god of death…
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note if lydia becomes a god she loses her free will mind you thats not all bad you still have choices they're just in a specific category of choices. Also can't do stuff like attack humans unprovoked, gods are harder to change, oh and it'll likely affect her personality.
Does Lydia with her connection to both her father and death have the ability to bring him back herself without doing harm to her soul, should his body be preserved? Without taking the mantle of her father. To the best of our knowledge.
Telling Lydia is just a purely terrible decision. Mab is, essentially, a hostage taker, and a malicious one who is planning to take Lydia as revenge for her father. Lydia has no tools to resist her at the moment. None.
Nemesis infection might be an issue. Everything else ccan be dealt with. It's not the best decision, but letting Lydia into Mab's clutches is the same as letting her die, only without letting her actually die, which would be a mercy. I am not doing this, full stop. We need some other solution. Which one, I am not sure at the moment.
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I assume Arawn's debt to Winter, even if he dodged it, means Mab can simply attack him.
But she shouldn't be able to do anything to Lydia unless Lydia makes some sort of agreement with her.
Do I have that right?
You do not know what Lydia is capable of beyond what's in the updates, you would have to ask.
Not directly, but Mab can do a whole lot indirectly.
And Mab has levers to make a off balance new to power teenage death god cut a deal.
Yep, she is a mortal, well mortal enough, right now and she was not party to the old oath.
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Lydia knowing what Mab intends lets her prepare mentally for it.
She'll be in a much better state with prepared arguments than without them.
Just knowing she can fuck over Mab by saying No helps.
Even if she doesn't intend to do it, threatening it can help her get a better deal.
More importantly she'll have to ask for more then his life. See Loyd Slate. He is very much alive. He just wishes he wasn't.
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Okay, just so we're all on the same page, here's Mab's plan as I understand it:
She transfers the death god mantle to Lydia. This kills her father in the process, because that's how that works, but doesn't perma-kill him beyond hope of resurrection.
Mab then offers Lydia a deal, resurrecting her father in exchange for service. Then Mab has her new servant and her revenge, right?
@DragonParadox, do I have that right?
If I am right, is it theoretically possible for Lydia, after she gains the mantle, to resurrect her father herself, without needing to form a deal or debt to Mab?
And if everything above is right, is there any lore we could share with her right now that would increase her odds of successfully performing a resurrection?
She transfers the death god mantle to Lydia. This kills her father in the process, because that's how that works, but doesn't perma-kill him beyond hope of resurrection.
Mab then offers Lydia a deal, resurrecting her father in exchange for service. Then Mab has her new servant and her revenge, right?
@DragonParadox, do I have that right?
If I am right, is it theoretically possible for Lydia, after she gains the mantle, to resurrect her father herself, without needing to form a deal or debt to Mab?
And if everything above is right, is there any lore we could share with her right now that would increase her odds of successfully performing a resurrection?
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[X] Tell Lydia, it's her life and her father that's in danger
- [X] Ask Harry if he has any good ideas about keeping Mab from getting hooks in the innocent girl.
-[x] If proves impossible, figure out how Lydia can get the best deal out of it.
[X] We still need more information. Talk to Bob about how mantles can be transferred without killing their holders.
- [X] Ask Harry if he has any good ideas about keeping Mab from getting hooks in the innocent girl.
-[x] If proves impossible, figure out how Lydia can get the best deal out of it.
[X] We still need more information. Talk to Bob about how mantles can be transferred without killing their holders.
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Speaking of Nemesis infection, I have a question for those who are familiar with Nemesis, by infection what do you mean precisely? Do you mean they get possessed by Nemesis or they metaphysically are corrupted by it? Asking because depending on the answer there may be something Molly may be able to do about it eventually.
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That's not fair, I think.
Making her an Exigent is simply the best way to mechanically portray a demigod with growth-potential in the setting.
That does not mean she has to have an Exaltation story-wise. There's no reason to think her abilities would go to another mortal on her death.
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Mab's plan:
1) Harry finds Ankou.
2) Summons Mab.
3) Mab kills Ankou, which she can do, because he is in debt.
4) Sell resurrection of Ankou to Lydia for her servitude.
5) Profit
Faultlines:
1) Harry can fail to find him.
2) Harry can find him in a way where it takes him a bit to call Mab.
3) Lydia can in theory say no.
1) fucks over Harry
3) fucks over Arawn
Can we somehow arrange 2?
Or does someone see more faultlines?
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Using some mechanical details is one thing, but it's sort of a quacks like a duck scenario. Being able to throw around absolute effects and manipulate essence would basically make her an exalt.
A few probably aren't a problem, I'm just twitchy because the thread keeps going back to trying to release exaltations so people we like will get them. Playing with the exaltations as a whole seems to inevitably bite anyone who tries, and 300 more essence fueled idiots would probably burn down the setting.
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Or option 4, Lydia uses her death god powers to resurrect him herself, without a deal with Mab, and they both walk away while Mab can't do anything about it. That's a plan.
I mean how does one model a demigod? Keeping in mind that the ability to use essence does not only belong to the Celestial and Terestrial Exalted, but also to the gods of creation. If I had to model say Odin or Santa he would use essence.
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Maybe.
[] Get Harry to find Arwan, he cannot call Mab if you knock him out
[X] Tell Lydia, it's her life and her father that's in danger
[] Brainstorm ways to mess up Mab's plan together with Harry.
-[] Option 1: Harry fails to find Arawn, bad for Harry. Disliked.
-[] Option 2: Harry finds Arawn in a way it takes him a while to inform Mab even "as soon as he is able"
-[] Option 3: Lydia can say no
-[] Option 4: Could Lydia resurrect him on her own?
[] Talk to everyone present, to work out what options exist that don't end with with Lydia suffering in eternal slavery to the person who has all reasons to make her life miserable as a tool of misplaced revenge against her father
-[] Ask Gard if her employer would be willing to intervene in the situation, provided we deliver Katrina to him.
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Holt's involvement. If Ankou's mantle is gone and he is dead by the time Harry finds him, Mab has nothing to offer Lydia for his resurrection, as she can't bind a mortal (and Lydia counts as a mortal, I think) into her service. Indebt her, like Harry is indebted, yes, but not bind into her service permanently, I think.
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Wait. Wait. Wait. @DragonParadox would Odin have the ability to resurrect Ankou? Would killing Katrina be enough of a service to entice him to do so? Wiki tells me the following:
He might be able to do this. And he'll owe us if we give him his missing and treacherous Valkyrie. We could then get him to resurrect Arawn.
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You would have to ask Gard IC
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It'd be a big ask to ask Odin to go against Mab.
Dunno if a single rogue Valkyrie is enough for that.
Especially one that isn't dead yet, that Gard is actively helping to kill.
It's kinda not going against her? Not entirely? She still gets her revenge by killing him. She just doesn't get the vindictive "and also bind his innocent daughter into eternal slavery" part of revenge.
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A little Exigent is not nearly as disastrous as one of the big, golden genius-idiots.
Nevermind a few hundred of them.
Celestial Exalted are a wholly different tier of potential and bullshit from Terrestrial Exalted.