Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Others have guarded the world before Winter, more will do so after Winter's time is over.
Such as who? And how many people get to die before that happens?
Its easy to say not my problem, and that someone else will sort things out.
But what if they dont? What if they try and fail? What contingencies do you have for catastrophic failure?

Its a quest, sure, but by my lights?
Molly who has been characterized in this story thus far as a Catholic girl with a large family whose father has dedicated half his life to protecting random people, would think you were entirely too cavalier with their lives.

And would certainly take the whole Winter exists for a reason thing seriously.
 
Vote closed, let's see what looking at a cat can teach you about Queen Mab's plans.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 22, 2022 at 4:23 AM, finished with 179 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] "Before we do anything else, we need to know what Mab intends to do with him once she finds him. Thankfully, I have just the tool for the job. Now, tell me - was there any one or anything else present during your deal with Winter Queen? Mouse? MIster?" Use the Crown on MIster to find what Mab is planning to do with the Ankou if and once they are located.
    [X] "It's too soon to try to plan around having to deal with Mab on top of the rest of this mess. Why don't we just focus on stopping the necromancer plot for now, and play the rest by ear as the situation develops? I know that's probably not how you normally do things, but it's been working for me so far." And should we need to knock Harry out before he can summon Mab, we can make that decision if and when it becomes necessary.
    [X] Mab. Mab. Mab.
 
Such as who? And how many people get to die before that happens?
Its easy to say not my problem, and that someone else will sort things out.
But what if they dont? What if they try and fail? What contingencies do you have for catastrophic failure?

Its a quest, sure, but by my lights?
Molly who has been characterized in this story thus far as a Catholic girl with a large family whose father has dedicated half his life to protecting random people, would think you were entirely too cavalier with their lives.

And would certainly take the whole Winter exists for a reason thing seriously.
I'll certainly vote to protect people I can see.
This whold thing started with wanting to protect Lydia and her father after all.

I just don't care about protecting systems and institutions I don't like.
Changing the status quo is always a good thing that gives many more options for things to happe n.
 
uhhhhh word of jim by the end of dresden files dresden can decide the fate of the world like a choose between everything ends or not.
We really need to get the man an exaltation. I wonder how many successes we will need to reforge the denarian coin into an Infernal exaltation. Probably way too many.
Not my interpretation, and more an observation from our first encounter with it:
Suffice to say, I disagree ans we will need to ask.

We dont know if she paid him. He didnt say.
We know, or at least can suspect it ooc:
Not that I can think of, Mab did not pay him anything, he still owes her from the debts she took on from his godmother and Harry can't exactly snap pictures of her.
Mab is not as far as you know vulnerable to the Black Feast, she is a proper immortal who did not use 'a shared understanding of death' to power her mantle
Question - as far as we know and understand, would Lydia have this understanding of death due to her (presumably) half mortal nature?

Because if she is being empowered by the shared understanding of death of humanity, even if it's inefficient, well, that would make her potentially very powerful in the future with proper training.
 
We really need to get the man an exaltation. I wonder how many successes we will need to reforge the denarian coin into an Infernal exaltation. Probably way too many.

Suffice to say, I disagree ans we will need to ask.


We know, or at least can suspect it ooc:


Question - as far as we know and understand, would Lydia have this understanding of death due to her (presumably) half mortal nature?

Because if she is being empowered by the shared understanding of death of humanity, even if it's inefficient, well, that would make her potentially very powerful in the future with proper training.

Yes Lydia would be a valid target as far as you know.
 
I'll certainly vote to protect people I can see.
This whold thing started with wanting to protect Lydia and her father after all.

I just don't care about protecting systems and institutions I don't like.
Changing the status quo is always a good thing that gives many more options for things to happe n.
And those people who we cant see, but whose lives our actions will hurt?

To recall an example previously raised in this thread, Kumari saving one guy who was dying/dead with the power of necromancy in no way made it better that she was also helping Cowl kill thousands with the same necromancy. It didnt justify her learning it or practicing it. Those people dying beyond her field of vision had rights.

Blowing up existing, functioning systems with no plan about how to replace them, or care about the millions of innocents reliant on its functioning just puts us in the same category.
Its not good company.
We really need to get the man an exaltation. I wonder how many successes we will need to reforge the denarian coin into an Infernal exaltation. Probably way too many.
I think his being mortal is the point.
I certainly dont see us being able to forge an exaltation.

Suffice to say, I disagree ans we will need to ask.
Fair.

We know, or at least can suspect it ooc:
Some people give you a retainer at the beginning, some dont.
You are supposed to present your final bill at the end of the job, not at the beginning.

If he isnt being paid in tangible coin, then its something that we should definitely raise with Mab when we see her.
Both as a matter of principle, and because I think it would be funny.
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 22, 2022 at 4:23 AM, finished with 179 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] "Before we do anything else, we need to know what Mab intends to do with him once she finds him. Thankfully, I have just the tool for the job. Now, tell me - was there any one or anything else present during your deal with Winter Queen? Mouse? MIster?" Use the Crown on MIster to find what Mab is planning to do with the Ankou if and once they are located.
    [X] "It's too soon to try to plan around having to deal with Mab on top of the rest of this mess. Why don't we just focus on stopping the necromancer plot for now, and play the rest by ear as the situation develops? I know that's probably not how you normally do things, but it's been working for me so far." And should we need to knock Harry out before he can summon Mab, we can make that decision if and when it becomes necessary.
    [X] Mab. Mab. Mab.
 
Arc 2 Post 44: What the Cat Saw
What the Cat Saw

22st of July 2006 A.D.

There is a thing you learned about fear over the last few hours and you do not know if it is a 'Molly is strange and glowing green' thing or if everyone feels this way: Every new jolt of pure terror makes the precious threats fade back into a background of anxiety. Suddenly dealing with Katrina and the Corpsetaker seems a lot more doable when faced with the prospect of perhaps working at cross-purposes with Queen Mab, the ruler of the place that still haunts your nightmares.

"Where you are weak bluff," Usum hisses at the back of your mind. "The cold queen does not know you and cannot read you, I do not think she knows what she has bound down through the ages. Though you may be slain it abides, your own hatred with the knowlege of imprisonment mingled would make for enmity borne across the rivers of death onto any who might take up the Crown. There are few things as frightful to the deathless as a willingness to die."

Yikes... that goes into the 'holly heck' emergency box. Still you do not dismiss it entirely, there is something almost beguiling about making strength from weakness.

You notice Harry looking at you funny, too much introspection. "Before we do anything else, we need to know what Mab intends to do with him once she finds him. Thankfully, I have just the tool for the job. Now, tell me - was there any one or anything else present during your deal with Winter Queen? Mouse? MIster?"

"You're going to try to scry Mab?" Harry sounds alarmed. "That's... even if you could do itI don't think you want to know what's inside her head. Hells' Bells I don't want to find out."

Shifting a little on the bed, caught between bragging and unease you explain: "Uriel, the archangel asked dad to ask me not to look at the Sword with that. I think it would work fine, I just need a focus. I could use you since you talked to her but..." Even longer hesitation this time. "I don;t want to burn that in case you get in trouble and I have to find you."

"Molly you're not supposed to..."

"What's 'supposed to' got to do with it?" you cut him off, fear suddenly boiling over into anger. "I was supposed to still be nailed to that damn tree if you had not gotten to me and accidentally hit the ice-prison that held my Crown, if I was not the closest, most fitting bearer because I failed. Now I have power, if that means helping to keep you out of trouble well that is my call isn't it." Looking him straight in the eye you say: "I know you are planning something to help Lydia, well I want yo help too and I don't want you to get hurt. So let's not trip over each other, OK?"

"OK," he says slowly. "Just don't throw yourself into the line of fire thinking you are invulnerable. I remember what being seventeen and new to magic was like."

Normally you would be annoyed that he tried to play off 'sage advice', but given the circumstances you'll take the win where you can find it. And a win it is indeed, as he explains that Mister had also been present when Mab gave him his task, thus making him a potential focus for asking about her purpose.

Apparently not even the Queen of Air and Darkness can disturb his most important nap, so who are you do do so? You stare at the big grey ball of fur, sleeping on the bathroom rug and think back to the day and the hour Harry had given you for the meeting: "What did the one you saw meet with Harry have in store for Arwan if she can find him?"

The answer comes clinking like frozen gears turning in a distant hall far off: "Queen Mab means to transfer the mantle of the Ankou to his daughter who willl then serve her in exchange for her father's life, thus will she have vengeance of for the remaining span of his days and a servant she can more easily mold to her whims"

Had she been waiting for him to have a kid and for that kid to be old enough to take on the mantle? You wonder, or is this fortuitous circumstance as far as Mab is concerned.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 7/12

As you recount what you had learned to Harry you can see the resolve harden behind deep brown eyes. One thing to protect an once-god who made a deal with Kemmler from Mab's wrath, another to keep his daughter, an innocent, from being ensnared in her power for all time.

What do you do with the information?

[] Tell Lydia, it's her life and her father that's in danger

[] Get Harry to find Arwan, he cannot call Mab if you knock him out

[] Maybe Harry has a better idea

[] Write in


OOC: Welp you have just taken a cosmic ice pick to Mab's layers of plans, now the question is what you do with the information.
 
We definitely want this girl as a party member. She has exalted healing, access to vast power, free will, and is dating our brother. She might not have access to perfect effects, but she's definitely worth investing in.

Now to sell her to Charity.
Actually, given what we know about how her dad regained his power, and that she gained access to that ability to use every expression of death not directly dedicated to another diety, including grief, and that her dad definitely had plans for her, and her having Exalted healing rates on top of that…

I'm like, 90% sure she's an Exigent Exalt. Supposedly every cut-rate god back in the day could make one if they were willing to sacrifice enough of their power permanently to create it, and this guy re-forged his own divine mantle out of forbidden lore. Considering how potent the power source is, she might even be celestial-tier, although even those aren't on equal footing with solaroids.

So yes, she's perfect Circle material, assuming we can navigate through whatever Mab's planning well enough.

…And ninja'd by the update. Time to read!
 
[X] Tell Lydia, it's her life and her father that's in danger

[X] Maybe Harry has a better idea

We really need to get the man an exaltation. I wonder how many successes we will need to reforge the denarian coin into an Infernal exaltation. Probably way too many.
Would need Essence Occult and Craft 10, not to mention the artifacts charm to even think of having a chance.
 
Okay, cool, this isn't too bad, no Lloyd Slate'ing Arawn is planned. Sure, Lydia wouldn't get the best ending, but I can accept that. Mab's a shitty boss, but the world is full of them. Definitely not worth getting on Mab's shit list to prevent her desired outcome in this case, IMO. That's going to happen one day, but I'd rather it be six months or a year from now, when we're a bit further along the Exalted power scale.

[X] Tell Lydia, it's her life and her father that's in danger

[X] We still need more information. Talk to Bob about how mantles can be transferred without killing their holders.
 
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"Queen Mab means to transfer the mantle of the Ankou to his daughter who willl then serve her in exchange for her father's life, thus will she have vengeance of for the remaining span of his days and a servant she can more easily mold to her whims"
How does Mab intend to transfer the mantle without killing the Ankou?

While Lydia has a claim such transfers are normally very lethal.
Does Molly have any ideas about that with her high occult?
Or Bob?
 
[X] Tell Lydia, it's her life and her father that's in danger
- [X] Ask Harry if he has any good ideas about keeping Mab from getting hooks in the innocent girl.
 
So, the most important point is that the mantle can be transferred safely without killing Arawn.

What do you guys think of letting Katrina get the mantle, then giving her over to Odin? Like, literally beat her to within an inch of her life, then transfer the mantle to her, and then give her to Odin. Then call Mab.

Because no way in hell I am letting Lydia fall into Mab's clutches.
The answer comes clinking like frozen gears turning in a distant hall far off: "Queen Mab means to transfer the mantle of the Ankou to his daughter who willl then serve her in exchange for her father's life, thus will she have vengeance of for the remaining span of his days and a servant she can more easily mold to her whims"

Had she been waiting for him to have a kid and for that kid to be old enough to take on the mantle?
You wonder, or is this fortuitous circumstance as far as Mab is concerned.
Would "Mab's plans" or "mantles can be transferred without killing their holder" count as hidden and important enough lore to give us essence?

[X] We still need more information. Talk to Bob about how mantles can be transferred without killing their holders.

And no, telling Lydia is not a good idea. She's under enormous emotional duress, is a teenager working of half-understood lore, and is in no way qualified to deal with this. You don't let relatives of hostages deal with hostage takers and make the calls.
 
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Yeah, I like plan throw the traitor Valkyrie to Mab.

[X] We still need more information. Talk to Bob about how mantles can be transferred without killing their holders.
 
Lydia could say no to Mab. It'd fuck over her Dad.

But it'd also fuck over Mab.

But Mab is a master manipulator.

[] We still need more information. Talk to Bob about how mantles can be transferred without killing their holders.
[] Tell Lydia, it's her life and her father that's in danger

The answer comes clinking like frozen gears turning in a distant hall far off: "Queen Mab means to transfer the mantle of the Ankou to his daughter who willl then serve her in exchange for her father's life, thus will she have vengeance of for the remaining span of his days and a servant she can more easily mold to her whims"
I'll also note that life doesn't mean much with Loyd serving as an example of how little it can mean indeed.
 
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How does Mab intend to transfer the mantle without killing the Ankou?

While Lydia has a claim such transfers are normally very lethal.
Does Molly have any ideas about that with her high occult?
Or Bob?

Death does not lightly bind those who know so much of it. Odds are he would die, but not permanently and bringing him back would be up to Mab and thus the price she would extract from Lydia.
 
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