Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Unlikely. The same caveats about industrial equipment apply.
We can probably handmake batches of artificial gems that are indistinguishable from natural gems though.
Making forgeries is a craft of the appropriate skill I THINK.

Remember people fretting about drawing attention from a measly two hundred million dollar lottery?
Imagine the attention from recovering a billion and half of gold bullion, plus all the rest in silver and pieces of eight .
And doing so by having Molly free dive in deep water, despite no previous experience.
For mundane means yes. I am willing to bet many supernatural are happy to trade in gold.

We just need to get connected to say a magic store. Or other supernatural buisness person.

Or large crime ring to launder money.

It sounds like we need friends now to make money. Rather than cunning artifice.
 
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We already have attention of FBI on us. And this is actually quite legit. The only question would be "how did she get the gold out".

In principle, we could use lottery money to fund the actual expedition to legit lift the treasure out. This would solve all the issues."I went diving in open waters on my joyride after winning a lottery and found a sunken treasure ship" is a tale of unbelievable luck, but nothing more.
No we have the attention of the Daedalus Group on some of our associates. They are a small section if the FBI, which is only a small part of the US natsec apparatus. Thats a very different matter from having the attention of large sections of the administrative, political and business and criminal community on a new teenage billionaire from a sensational haul of windfall cash.

Not to mention the press.

The anchor they recovered was in about 300 feet of water. The seas in the area are around 100-250m deep.
You dont go diving in that depth of seawater off Cornwall on a joyride. English Channel waters are not a great place for holidays compared to the Carribean, and the suspected wreck site is around 50km+ from shore.

Lotteries are luck.
Happening on a billion plus shipwreck that has been the object of repeated searches by underwater search equipped ships at three hundred plus feet under the ocean surface is not luck.


We can still do it. Not really an issue to find and recover the gold.Expect questions and scrutiny.
And litigation; the Spanish government successfully sued to recover ALL 500 million dollars of the gold salvage by the Black Swan Project. And the Peruvian government is suing THEM.
 
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though there is always the chance a lot of lost treasures are in like the nevernever now obviously not all just gonna note some definitely are.
 
We can probably handmake batches of artificial gems that are indistinguishable from natural gems though.
This would probably net us more than any machine made ones. Also makes me want to ask @DragonParadox if we crit can we end up with something like the silmarils ie gems that contain light or of a substance from the first age of creation or possibly a fragment of a yozi refined from the essence of our exaltation?
 
That said, you now have me thinking. Perhaps there would be a market to sell machinery to people with magic? How much would a wizard pay for a set of masterwork clockwork power tools that don't break down every hour of usage?
Thats why the svartalfar exist.
And its why wizards can simply pay mortals to do a lot of their nonmagical work; even Dresden has a car mechanic.
That type of pennyante business opportunity is not really worth our time.

It would only make sense if she was making personal stuff, or gifts for people, and thats more easily filled by just taking up ancient Sorcery and enchanting off the shelf stuff with Blessing of the Water Dragon.
The other thought would be to mimic Industrial machinery with tool constructs for chemical production to make chemicals for our own personal use. Ie, why buy bleach when we could make it on the spot as necessary. Or any other material, poison, explosive, or thing we need. A convenience and versatility thing, not a moneymaking idea. For example: Laughing gas is made of the same atoms as air, we could make an arbitrary amount of it on the spot.
In modern society, its generally a lot more convenient to buy off the shelf.
Only if she has to MacGyver stuff up is it likely to be relevant.
There's a 3 dot charm for weaponized stuff if we want it.

As for avoiding the need for surgery, well that's not really something we can be sure about can we?
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If we must, we must. But we'd much rather not have to.

Making forgeries is a craft of the appropriate skill I THINK.
Larceny or Craft, I think.
But this isnt a forgery because you arent trying to make a copy of something.

For mundane means yes. I am willing to bet many supernatural are happy to trade in gold.
We just need to get connected to say a magic store. Or other supernatural buisness person.
Or large crime ring to launder money.
It sounds like we need friends now to make money. Rather than cunning artifice.
Supernaturals will take gold and jewels.
Bianca gave the dragon Ferrovax a gift of gold and jewels in Grave Peril, and Marcone paid around a quarter of a million in gold bullion as weregild for shooting a Fomor lord in Even Hand.

However, we are talking about 50 tons of gold bullion.
A significant fraction of the world yearly production in 2006. Thats not stuff that is easy to move covertly
Yeah.
Windfall cash almost always brings litigants out of the woodwork. And when some of them are Western national governments, adverse outcomes are often a thing, especially if the govt is annoyed enough to play hardball.

If we won the lottery as a minor and somehow managed to keep it, you'd see people claim that as someone arrested in juvie, our parents are unfit to be guardians and propose themselves instead. Even as a new adult, there's a nonzero chance of shenanigans by people who think they can bamboozle an 18 year old and her mostly blue collar parents.
 
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I know svaralves are considered fae are they considered wyld (wyld being anything not of the two major courts) fae? I'd think so also have we ever seen them lie? I don't think they can its never noted like with other fae though. sometimes I forget their fae as its not mentioned as much.

Edit: Actually now that I think about it myths of fae and myths of the norse gods aren't really any older than the other I think. In real life that is who knows about the weird cosmology of dresden or if time was as solid as it is by dresdens time.
 
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We know very little about the DF svartalfar.

They are great craftspeople who made a lot of the old Norse stuff, have no problem with iron and steel, have a lust for beauty(as in, they have been known to accept sex with beautiful people as payment for services), a reputation for being deadly enemies, a fairly rigorous code, and some spellworkers in their population.

Thats about it.
 
We can still do it. Not really an issue to find and recover the gold.Expect questions and scrutiny.
And litigation; the Spanish government successfully sued to recover ALL 500 million dollars of the gold salvage by the Black Swan Project. And the Peruvian government is suing THEM.
True. I still want to try. It could be a fun adventure. I am looking through lists of sunken treasures. If we want to try and venture into South America (despite the potential presence of Red Court Vampires), there's a ship waiting to be discovered with 17 billion dollars worth of treasure in it.
 
Ghouls are basically the victims of a single mechanical Flaw. ~2 point Flaw I think.

Mercy in Servitude probably works to put the appetite in check. Might be able to pass on a Merit with VED.
But ultimately doing anything for a group of ghouls is probably a subplot in its own right, mechanically represented by a terrestrial level sorcerous working as per 3E.
That seems like a weird way to represent that to me. Would you represent a human needing nest in their diet as a flaw mechanically? How about cats being obligate carnivores?

in fairness many nevernever species probably have a human origin even if they are in no way human now. Not that I think we're capable of anything like curing them.
I doubt it. Some stuff is just too strange to come from humans originally.

Even if this particular example did, they're still too different at this point to "cure" them of it in the manner you describe. As far as I can tell anyway.
I mean, we could sell to North Korea, Iran and the like. Like, we could make tens of billions at the very least by making a cutting edge chip fabber and selling it to North Korea or Iran.
That's a really awful idea on multiple levels.

For one thing, even if the US government not liking you isn't necessarily an indicator that you're an asshole, all of the examples you gave are. Providing tech to them is a pretty scummy thing to do.

Even where that isn't a concern, Molly lives in the US. Trying to violate export controls like that with zero experience is asking to get hit. It puts us in competition with intelligence agencies around the globe in their exact area of strength.

If we're willing to risk that level of heat, might as well sell local to the feds. They'd find us almost immediately anyway, so we might as well take their money instead of giving them everything they need to destroy Molly's mortal life.

The lottery is a way better option in comparison.
 
That seems like a weird way to represent that to me. Would you represent a human needing nest in their diet as a flaw mechanically? How about cats being obligate carnivores?


I doubt it. Some stuff is just too strange to come from humans originally.

Even if this particular example did, they're still too different at this point to "cure" them of it in the manner you describe. As far as I can tell anyway.

That's a really awful idea on multiple levels.

For one thing, even if the US government not liking you isn't necessarily an indicator that you're an asshole, all of the examples you gave are. Providing tech to them is a pretty scummy thing to do.

Even where that isn't a concern, Molly lives in the US. Trying to violate export controls like that with zero experience is asking to get hit. It puts us in competition with intelligence agencies around the globe in their exact area of strength.

If we're willing to risk that level of heat, might as well sell local to the feds. They'd find us almost immediately anyway, so we might as well take their money instead of giving them everything they need to destroy Molly's mortal life.

The lottery is a way better option in comparison.
you do know fae come from humans right? The fae come in an absurd amount of variety. Honestly most supernatural species we've seen have come from some variety of human well the very active ones that are big enough for factions of their own on earth.
 
True. I still want to try. It could be a fun adventure. I am looking through lists of sunken treasures. If we want to try and venture into South America (despite the potential presence of Red Court Vampires), there's a ship waiting to be discovered with 17 billion dollars worth of treasure in it.
Pass. That is WAY too rich for my blood.

Nationstates, businesses and criminal outfits kill for that sort of haul, and frankly Molly does not have the real world swag to play in those leagues. Not yet. Also, Colombian national waters. And the Colombians have already passed laws about that particular wreck, which has been the subject of litigation since the 1980s.

If more money is our priority for shatever reason , its 2006 in-universe.
The financial crisis of 2007/2008 is next year.
There's a killing to be made on the financial markets if we are interested and have the need, and a couple million to play with.

And thats ignoring the gold/gems route.
That seems like a weird way to represent that to me. Would you represent a human needing nest in their diet as a flaw mechanically? How about cats being obligate carnivores?
But its not a need? They dont apparently need to eat fifty plus pounds of meat a day. They dont need to eat human meat either.
We have canonical examples of ghouls like Amber LaChaise blending into human society; they are, by their own description, always hungry, but its a magical urge not a starvation thing.

Its not even a White Court Vampire thing, where you frenzy or die if your demon is hungry enough.
Its just a curse/compulsion thing.
 
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Pass. That is WAY too rich for my blood.

Nationstates, businesses and criminal outfits kill for that sort of haul, and frankly Molly does not have the real world swag to play in those leagues. Not yet. Also, Colombian national waters. And the Colombians have already passed laws about that particular wreck, which has been the subject of litigation since the 1980s.

If more money is our priority for shatever reason , its 2006 in-universe.
The financial crisis of 2007/2008 is next year.
There's a killing to be made on the financial markets if we are interested and have the need, and a couple million to play with.

And thats ignoring the gold/gems route.

But its not a need? They dont apparently need to eat fifty plus pounds of meat a day. They dont need to eat human meat either.
We have canonical examples of ghouls like Amber LaChaise blending into human society; they are, by their own description, always hungry, but its a magical urge not a starvation thing.

Its not even a White Court Vampire thing, where you frenzy or die if your demon is hungry enough.
Its just a curse/compulsion thing.
Yeah honestly I just want money for resources, being able to buy places if we need to for bases and resources, be able to pay people we want the help of not everyone useful is rich, also be able to use said money to make an actual difference and prevent ourselves from being sidelines by mortal authorities thinking they can take advantage of someone who isn't rich.
 
you do know fae come from humans right? The fae come in an absurd amount of variety. Honestly most supernatural species we've seen have come from some variety of human well the very active ones that are big enough for factions of their own on earth.
Some fae come from humans, and even then fae are just a single genus of nevernever creature that live near the mortal world.

A significantly larger portion has little to no contact with the mortal world, or else is abstract enough that it's origin is likely independent of humanity. Like the elemental spirits in Bob's genus for example.
But its not a need? They dont apparently need to eat fifty plus pounds of meat a day. They dont need to eat human meat either.
We have canonical examples of ghouls like Amber LaChaise blending into human society; they are, by their own description, always hungry, but its a magical urge not a starvation thing.

Its not even a White Court Vampire thing, where you frenzy or die if your demon is hungry enough.
Its just a curse/compulsion thing.
I wasn't actually aware of that, I thought it was a weird supernatural metabolic thing, and that they died if they didn't have at least some long pork in their diet.
 
Some fae come from humans, and even then fae are just a single genus of nevernever creature that live near the mortal world.

A significantly larger portion has little to no contact with the mortal world, or else is abstract enough that it's origin is likely independent of humanity. Like the elemental spirits in Bob's genus for example.

I wasn't actually aware of that, I thought it was a weird supernatural metabolic thing, and that they died if they didn't have at least some long pork in their diet.
word of jim ALL fae come from humans there is some evidence they aren't with that idea with stuff like toot toot with which he smiles cause he knows something we don't and says hes not telling us.

Edit: Now for stuff that has no relation to humanity oh there's plenty of well origin that doesn't come from humanity entire worlds worth really just the major players (based on earth) mostly have human origins of some kind or another well the ones we've seen obviously their not all there is and there are plenty who have no human origin like you said.
That or at least all fae are descended from humans according to jim pretty much all the sidhe used to be human for example and all were at one point or another and every species of fae are descended from humans.

There's stuff jims not telling us about fae though like why their bodies don't turn to ectoplasm, what other roles they may have, how they were made in exact detail, why they occupy a position so close to the mortal world with the closest parts of the nevernever to the mortal world being their territory and how that happened, etc etc.

Edit again sorry: Also according to jim all fae have something mortal in them their all part mortal.
 
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I doubt it. Some stuff is just too strange to come from humans originally.
In the short story Heorot
Grenderlkin, according to Gard, eat people and rape women. But they need human virgin women to reproduce.
Their normal mode of reproduction is to imbibe some mead to stimulate their own fertility, and then rape their victim and impregnate them.

The pregnancy now grows inside the victim until the offspring is strong enough to tear its way out, killing its surrogate.
Then parent and child now eat the unfortunate victim's remains
Or you can ask about where all the half-fae changelings in human society came from, and which human female knowingly fucked an ogre, for example. Lots of strange in the DF if you look.

wasn't actually aware of that, I thought it was a weird supernatural metabolic thing, and that they died if they didn't have at least some long pork in their diet.
Apparently not. Nothing mentioned in the DF books or the RPGs has suggested they need to eat flesh, just that they do when they can.I presume anyone who needs to be eating half a human being's weight worth of meat daily, whether human or animal origin, would be utterly incapable of functioning in Western society.

Ambre LaChaise went to university after all. And this is what she looks like in the Ghoul Goblin comic:
 
Funny little thing according to jim there are monsters, spirits, and little griblies that only children can see and remember so stuff like maggie and little harry having to deal with children monsters is something that can and does happen at least eventually. Not all of them are evil or nothing just something to note. Wonder if we could remember any of them since our mind can't be affected. Oh and maybe mouse can notice them hes technically a child also not human so maybe he doesn't forget also cats can see ghosts maybe they can see the little gribblies.
 
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In the short story Heorot
Grenderlkin, according to Gard, eat people and rape women. But they need human virgin women to reproduce.
Their normal mode of reproduction is to imbibe some mead to stimulate their own fertility, and then rape their victim and impregnate them.

The pregnancy now grows inside the victim until the offspring is strong enough to tear its way out, killing its surrogate.
Then parent and child now eat the unfortunate victim's remains
Or you can ask about where all the half-fae changelings in human society came from, and which human female knowingly fucked an ogre, for example. Lots of strange in the DF if you look.


Apparently not. Nothing mentioned in the DF books or the RPGs has suggested they need to eat flesh, just that they do when they can.I presume anyone who needs to be eating half a human being's weight worth of meat daily, whether human or animal origin, would be utterly incapable of functioning in Western society.

Ambre LaChaise went to university after all. And this is what she looks like in the Ghoul Goblin comic:
I could see some human females propositioning an ogre for a deal in more older society like to protect them or someone or something from something in the night or for individual deals there are just so many deals involved with the fae. That or just really evil and or weird fetishistic people humanity is weird and should be purged furries exist after all why not ogre fetishist.
 
Funny little thing according to jim there are monsters, spirits, and little griblies that only children can see and remember so stuff like maggie and little harry having to deal with children monsters is something that can and does happen at least eventually. Not all of them are evil or nothing just something to note. Wonder if we could remember any of them since our mind can't be affected. Oh and maybe mouse can notice them hes technically a child also not human so maybe he doesn't forget also cats can see ghosts maybe they can see the little gribblies.
DF really is a Death World.
 
DF really is a Death World.
in fairness considering only children can see them I imagine children can fight and beat them. Just pretty hilarious that harry as a kid definitely had to deal with them and forgot about them. Also I'm not sure they are everywhere numbers weren't brought up just existence.

Well in the nevernever I imagine their unlimited in some capacity just like how everything exists there probably. On earth though numbers aren't mentioned.
 
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In "AAAA Wizardry", Boogeymen, boggles or boggarts,[Footnote 2] are weak phobophages hiding in closets and feeding on children. Fairly non-descript, they're known not only to feed on children's fears, but also originate them so to have something to feed upon. A particularly big one gets banished by Megan Yardly, after Harry Dresden indicates it feeds off her children's traumas.

In "Zoo Day", Creeps are a small family of creatures only able to be perceived by young children. Even Mouse has difficulties, seeing only shadows and smelling cold and hunger. They are referred to as being in the Book created by Molly Carpenter, now in the hands of Maggie.[6]

  • Haunts are phobophages preying on children. Children notice them by their hosts' eyes being black and empty, which, however, appear regular to adults. Haunts do not like salt in their eyes and can be defeated by facing up to and conquering one's fears. They look for the smallest, most vulnerable kid, with the scariest things in their past they can find. They also can leave the children they're parasitizing when they're sated; their hosts will never be the same as before.
  • Baglers attach themselves to adults and force them to discuss politics at any available opportunity. They appear like semi-transparent shrouds over the faces of their victims.
  • Underhides are found hiding beneath children's beds, and can get quite old and nasty.[6]
A group of haunts attacks Margaret Angelica Dresden, who manages to defeat them, taking her first step toward recovery and healing.

Edit: Actually holy shit we would know about them now. little molly is such a badass.
The Book was started by Molly Carpenter, before she grew up and forgot all things magical pertaining to childhood. Her siblings added to it in turn.[1]

In the series

"Zoo Day"

Main article: Zoo Day
In "Zoo Day", Harry Carpenter had passed the book to Margaret Angelica Dresden, and Mouse read it with her. It specifically references haunts, their characteristics and the ways to deal with them.
 
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Or you can ask about where all the half-fae changelings in human society came from, and which human female knowingly fucked an ogre, for example. Lots of strange in the DF if you look.
I wasn't saying the fae didn't reproduce with humans; the goal posts of that discussion kept moving on me.

My understanding was that @firefrog600 was talking about the possibility of curing ghouls because they were essentially humans, and then that most everything supernatural was actually in some way related to mortals.

But it's also canon that the nevernever is huge, and only part of it ever directly interacts with the mortal world.

I wasn't aware of the WoJ about all fey being somehow related to humans, but it doesn't actually mean anything in the context of that discussion.
 
I wasn't saying the fae didn't reproduce with humans; the goal posts of that discussion kept moving on me.

My understanding was that @firefrog600 was talking about the possibility of curing ghouls because they were essentially humans, and then that most everything supernatural was actually in some way related to mortals.

But it's also canon that the nevernever is huge, and only part of it ever directly interacts with the mortal world.

I wasn't aware of the WoJ about all fey being somehow related to humans, but it doesn't actually mean anything in the context of that discussion.
Nah your right was never even saying its likely we could cure ghouls or that they were humans at some point just that they can be. They apparently share the keeping a corpse though with fae so good chance they have some human origins even if its several thousand year old origins. Now us curing them probably not possible technically we could get an answer which is a long process which ends up as oh just convince a super god to do it for you like the mothers. Which you know is possible may as well be impossible though. Also definition of cure is iffy could turn them humans, get rid of the curse of it, change their natures somewhat mostly our interest is probably preventing them from being one of the bigger overall threats to individual humans in human history since they've definitely killed millions throughout history or at least scavenged. Anyways yeah your mostly right just listing possibilities myself really and going somewhat into tangents as I just like talking about lore.

Edit: Anyone see we should actually know about the children griblies now? We apparently wrote a book we can't remember the specifics of due to the species not being able to be remembered by anyone except children which might not work on us anymore.
 
Arc 2 Post 30: Tools of the Trade
Tools of the Trade

22st of July 2006 A.D.

It takes about half an hour to make all three of the EMP generators, not so much the making part as the 'find a place where you can play nuclear MacGyver'. Sure there is nothing alarming about you wanting to buy cheap cameras, copper wire, iron rods or simple switches. That is all innocuous enough for your dad to get from the first Radio Shack you find. The nice lady what works there even asks if there's anything she can help you with. She really can't. Gard has to phone Marcone who has to make his own calls to open up an old garage, the kind of place that may or may not be selling cars one piece at a time, though the owners apparently don't work weekends...

"Ware Bokkr on the war path," Gard murmurs under her breath as delicate many jointed contraptions of black iron unfold from the heart of your power and begin to solder the devices together hissing and clicking faster and faster as though growing excited at the purpose these are to be put. At your curious looks she explains: "One of the dwarf smiths of old, the one who sewed Loki's lips shut."

"Well then let's hope that's a good omen for how quiet we end up being," you say as you clip on the plastic mold to the last of the emitters. "What...?" you ask as you see your dad looking at your funny.

"I wasn't expecting...."

"Oh yeah, I remember gangsters in the old days would hide guns in the cases of guitars so I figured why not make them look like that? It won't stand up to close scrutiny, but it should keep people from noticing us in the streets." Not that a lot of the locals in a primarily black neighborhood would miss Karl's Tats' and Piercings. The place was apparently new and it already had a reputation according the the saleslady at Radio Shack, not for being Nazi necromancers or anything just bad enough that she had thought to warn you away when you showed an interest in it.

Lost 1 Essence

Gained 3 EMP Emitters (Disguised as guitars )


So you are not that worried about being seen when you go around the place looking for where the phone lines are. Gard makes quick work of them with a small hand axe before Hendricks does the last turn around the south side. If he thinks it's odd that you want him to park next to the side with no doors he doesn't show it.

That is when you take a diamond tipped saw to the brickwork, lasers being apparently beyond the scope of what you can make unfortunately beyond the scope of what you can conjure.

As you call for dad adn Gard to follow you can just hear curse under the sound of collapsing brickwork, but you have other stuff to worry about.

Looking at the bright side of things there are four people in the room so if you handle them that's most of the thralls dealt with, but on the other hand there are four people and they are heavily armed.

The guy closest to you wearing what you can only think of as a disinterested dad's idea of what dressing their kid as a Hell's Angel is toting a very serious looking double barrelled shotgun where as the fellow over by the couch who had just enough time to dive to cover had the barrel of an all too familiar semiautomatic pointed towards dad.

As for the other two, there's the guy next to the fire alarm, getting ready to break it with the but of his own riffle and the last one is shouting and cursing up a storm... while aiming what looks like a bloody AK 47 of all things at you. Also the only one in body armor, Usum notes though you don't think that will do him much good against your sword or Gard's axe.

Maybe you should try to capture them you think, though the memory of bouncing Gorfel around the inside of the van and getting shot again for your trouble is still all too vivid in your mind.

What do you prioritize?

[] Capture them, you don;t want to risk killing anyone

[] Put them down as fast as you can, there's a kid's life on the line


OOC: My internet has been terrible since midafternoon, but I managed to get this up eventually. Good night guys, comments and rolls in the morning.
 
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I just find the fact child molly created a book dedicated to the strengths, weaknesses, and species of children gribblies she can't remember anymore she knows vaguely she wrote about them and can't remember them enough to give the book to maggie though. Child molly is apparently a badass who confronted monsters and learned their weaknesses.
 
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