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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
Never match wits with a death goddess when cute goth girls are on the line.
Some interesting deep lore here from Listens-to-Wind (like them being aware of the Neverborn). Some interesting thoughts from Lydia too. And yeah, a modern abyssal is more likely to take up a superhero name than a baroque exalted title, isn't she?
[X] You could use her help finding the others if she's up to it
-[X] If she agrees, use the Crown on her bloody tears to find other abyssal exalts
-[X] STUNT: "I am sure he will love the title, Phantom, and if you need exalted backup when talking to him, I would be glad to help." you say, the newly formed title slipping easily past your lips, the whimsical optimism of superheroics dear to your American heart: "For now, though, I have to ask you for your first superhero act - three more are black shards loosed upon the world, and yours have spent a lot of time with them. Would you focus the search, so we can find other exalted?"
Can someone correct me on the following: I think we can safely use the Crown here, pretty much everyone present know we have divination on at least this level.
[X] You could use her help finding the others if she's up to it
-[X] If she agrees, use the Crown on her bloody tears to find other abyssal exalts
-[X] STUNT: "I am sure he will love the title, Phantom, and if you need exalted backup when talking to him, I would be glad to help." you say, the newly formed title slipping easily past your lips, the whimsical optimism of superheroics dear to your American heart: "For now, though, I have to ask you for your first superhero act - three more are black shards loosed upon the world, and yours have spent a lot of time with them. Would you focus the search, so we can find other exalted?"
Can someone correct me on the following: I think we can safely use the Crown here, pretty much everyone present know we have divination on at least this level.
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Isn't the whole point of the curse that she cannot answer to a name?
Maybe change it to *title* to not risk it?
Ok, sure. Hmm... maybe spin up a comic series about a Silver Phantom?
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Could she just use a made up symbol instead of a name? Like she could just pass out cards with her personal sigil on it? Maybe a broken ankh, to keep with the theme?
She could be 'The Goth Girl Formerly Known As Inari'.
She could be 'The Goth Girl Formerly Known As Inari'.
Well Lydia certainly stole the show there. Kinda disappointed at not getting to actually try for a connection here though; forcing the issue isn't a good idea, but ending the scene as it is leaves us hanging. First impressions are a subtle but important moment for this kind of thing and we haven't built any bridges between Silver and Molly so much as been the exposition faerie.
You can go out and be self righteous with your friends again once you've eaten all the crow on your plate.
Buddy, until recently the white council was basically a front for the outside to corrupt the most powerful mortals on the planet and only survived learning about it because of an infernal.
You can go out and be self righteous with your friends again once you've eaten all the crow on your plate.
Exalted Formally Known as Inari.
Efki for short.
Edit - better still
Individual Not Again Refered to as Inari.
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I'm very much not a fan of the white Council by any stretch of the imagination but we did kind of fuck them hardcore.
That's claiming a lot of credit for an action that we initiated that caused them to be caught with their pants down.
I'm not saying they weren't acting as a front but the warlocks were still being stealthy and we know from what happened there were multiple factions of Warlock.
Claiming they only survive because of an infernal when the infernal is the one that caused the situation in the first place is kind of not correct by any objective metric.
Also he is objectively correct the founder of the white Council is the person who built demon reach and contains every Abomination there in. He is also the one who fought a literal demigod not too long ago so there's a little bit of self-righteousness simply because he is well to be honest a bit of a badass even if his organization isn't.
This wasn't the brightest moment of the white Council but he's not being overly righteous in the moment either because well unlike a lot of wizards he can put his money where his mouth is.
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Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
Yes, the negotiations went rather badly. And we still haven't convinced anyone of anything, it seems. I don't think we'll get to the other abyssals in a reasonable time frame at this rate.
I think we'll have to kick him out of the party at this point. Frankly, his presence in this situation is the main problem. The search was certainly a great help, but I think the esteemed wizard is turning the negotiations into a minefield a bit and doesn't understand how he's going to provoke the situation. I understand his concern, but as a player reading this whole scene I just wanted to throw a tomato at him to stop him talking.
You actually can't use even nicknames with Abyssals. The moment their designation meaning becomes too personal it starts hurting them. That's why their titles are so cumbersome.
What the Abyssal considers a name is up to them. For instance if one of them uses a title too much and comes to think of it as their new name the Nameless curse will trigger on it, which yes does also mean that an Abyssal could technically come to think of their previous name as a kind of title or disguise and not suffer it, but that would be tying their brains into knots. More piratically most Abyssals can't have a title that relates to their former lives, say by including their names since it links them to that name. 'The person formerly known as Inari' is still alike to Inari for instance. That is why they tend to go for titles that relate to deeds or appearance.
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Worst case scenario we leave and use the record of the scene as a crown focus.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
Yeah, I agree, but overall the scene is bad. It's like if ebenezer threatened to kill Molly when they first met, not directly, but clearly enough. In front of her father, etc. That would have been bad for the White Council as a whole during this quest I think. From that perspective I think the scene is a complete failure. But at least Lydia relatively saved everything, even if it was at the cost of unnecessary information about herself.
He could have at least waited until we were out of sight of the other Exalt before starting.
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Imagine if Michael was not Michael and was instead Lara Raith, famous non-controversial good guy.
I'm not saying he's handling this perfectly but consider what was said here and who else is in the room.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
When your competition for not causing diplomatic incidents is Harry Dresden, he may be doing well. But it doesn't matter to me whether Lara is there or not. It's not Lara who is the Exalt. My problem with his behavior is that I think it's a good way to turn a young, traumatized girl against him and to her older sister, the politician vampire queen. And he's also close to annoying Molly in my opinion.
I understand his problem, I understand. But this was not the best moment to start discussing it.
And when he talks about murders... Was he afraid for himself? And don't tell me he's not a killer. He just didn't kill with magic most likely.
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In canon most of what Peabody did here wasn't possible and he didn't have the same kind of backing at hand. The council would have in almost any case won on their own, it was just a matter of cost.
Based on what happened here the sole reason they weren't already dead was that the Outside dramatically overestimated their basic competence at essentially everything.
The situation we provoked wasn't great for them, but they didn't act like how competent people taken by surprise do as I see it. There were basic elements of preparation that anyone who wants to be a power worth mentioning should have done decades ago that they never bothered with.
The thing where Ancient Mai had the perfect tool to provide magical CCTV coverage and not only had it not been made a basic part of the defenses ages ago, but hadn't bothered to preemptively use it to mitigate the information disadvantage is the prime example of this problem. I struggle to put to words how boundlessly moronic that was. Unironically the most podunk post office in the United States is better organized than that.
I regret every argument I made about just telling McCoy about the situation, because left to their own devices there's no way they'd have managed even the canon outcome.
These guys didn't age, the wrinkles migrated from their brains to their faces.
BoredMan
Salutations thou who beds thy own mother
Yeah, agreed honestly. He's turning this into more of a confrontation than it needs to be. He's approaching this as a problem to be circumvented over a potential asset, he's jaded and then the political aspect of the White Court. I doubt he's as good as we are at talking people around in general, especially with our position as the "first" Exalted. Too bad BronzeTongue's stunt didn't go through, this guy derailed it all.
I really think it's more important to establish a person connection before we ask her to help us with stuff. At minimum we should address the topic and tension of the discussion to make our position clear. Right now a worried mind could easily take silence on the issue as hedging our bets.
Even if we do think she might go bad, which is still possible, treating her that way is foolish. Any actions or considerations of this type should happen where she can't see them if performed at all.
No that's not right we know from how they acted / the factions within the warlocks that they were not all the outsider aligned they were black magic users and Outsiders working together and they're not the same thing and that's why there was no Rebellion before.
We did spring it in complete surprise. The head of the militant arm of the white Council was in South America, The blackstaff was in the Nevernever somewhere and a not insignificant portion of the membership was in Chicago.
As far as positions to have to deal with an Insurrection go most of your military in a different country another half of your military in another different country and all of the insurgents directly in HomeBase it is pretty bad.
The individual competence of at least the black staff and Morgan and I guess Arthur as he was led Away by a person he had no reason to distrust he's not really in question because Morgan absolutely kills when we see him fighting the black vampires Ebenezer kills he defeats the Ambush in the never never accelerated and nearly single-handedly beat that ambush in the hallway then he disintegrated multiple bodies of Drusus.
We knew what was going on there and we essentially sprung an early Rebellion that wasn't ready to go off to begin with and essentially did it at a time when literally everyone was in the worst possible position to deal with it.
I really don't I think based on the performance that we saw from combat Wizards (McCoy Morgan) during that Arc if we had told someone who was already investigating They would have been fine it would have been essentially the wardens busting down warlock doors in the middle of the night taking people in and Morgan and the black staff dealing with the more Dangerous Ones whether that be orbital strike or magic sword slashing.
The only one they couldn't have gotten was the hollow one but the hollow one wasn't on Earth to begin with and also they don't need to get him to cleanse the organization because his main information spigot was Peabody.
I fully agree that in that moment it was a shitshow but let's not pretend like we had nothing to do with why it was such a total shit show either
BoredMan
Salutations thou who beds thy own mother
DP did note that it was a surprise for everyone not just the good guys. Had the situation been allowed to fester even further it quite possibly would've been worse for everyone.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
The problem is that everything except the power boost would have been possible without Molly. If the inflectors had simply waited for slightly better conditions, they would have been able to win in the same situation without Molly. There were reasons why they did not want a direct attack and decided to do it when they were detected. But they certainly were powerful enough to win in surprise attack
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Yeah it was a surprise for everyone I'm also not saying let it Fester but the white Council does have the ability to purge mind control Arthur himself showed mind magic skill in front of us. Them knowing and the enemy not knowing and not having a communication advantage and not having a first mover advantage would have been a pretty decisive blow right from the start.
Well as I said above I don't think anyone would have waited on anything to be honest the only reason they were even so successful in that surprise attack is because the white Council was completely unprepared the heaviest hitters of the council were directly in the confidence of Peabody which is not something that would have happened if we had warned anyone trustworthy like Ebenezer or in South America.
They had an overwhelming advantage in that moment even if they didn't have the numbers they had first mover Advantage element of surprise and deep access to personnel. Even then they weren't capable of stopping multiple members of the senior Council from converging on the hidden halls and stomping their shit in in the intervening time.
Though this thing this comes down to the fact that I wanted to tell someone who I knew had both the authority and the ability to dispatch of anyone in the white Council if it is necessary as well being someone who's already investigating traitors in the white council. As that just leads to senior counsel gets their minds cleared of Peabody's agent and then they work their way down their ranks isolate Peabody and then deal with all of the traitors after they brought them in Chains.
Ivar
Dark Reaper
- Location
- Russia Moscow
I think BronzeTongue is right. We need to establish a connection before asking for help. Lydia already gave a rousing speech to show her empathy. It's Molly's turn now. And most importantly, we need to plan for interruptions this time. This is the second time Molly has been interrupted.
And yes, I may be annoyed with our ally, but it's still not the worst thing. We can wait and politely ask him to leave. Ultimately, this isn't a relationship-breaking-level mistake, just a very unpleasant incident.
And yes, I may be annoyed with our ally, but it's still not the worst thing. We can wait and politely ask him to leave. Ultimately, this isn't a relationship-breaking-level mistake, just a very unpleasant incident.