Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

We should just do as we did before and make sure any nukes we drop are so conceptually weird that you have to tilt your head sideways to realize how destructive they are.

If your crime is weird enough they won't know what to charge you with and you get away scott free.
 
[X] As queen

This is both something that fits into their worldview and impresses upon them that we can actually do whatever it is we decide is wise
 
Broken Seeker is still alive because he's one of our more competent antagonists on a tactical level. He spent months watching us and came in with exactly the setup he needed to make exercising our advantages immensely unappealing. By which I mean killing him would have almost certainly resulted in the deaths of our friends and would have had unavoidable civilian casualties because he'd have sent 13 major sorcerers on a wild serial killing spree in a major city on the spot.

We then pulled a tricky bit of social combat and defused the situation, even managed to get some use out of it, but that didn't change the essential elements of the situation. It wasn't a perfect victory, arguably it was more of a draw. It sucks when someone gets one over on you, but it happens to everyone. After all of that we got kinda busy to say the least and haven't really had the free time to engage on our own terms.

Personally I think the vampire war and nemesis are more important, but if we have the space I don't see a problem with hunting him down and eating his soul. While on the offensive the issues which kept us in check last time largely shouldn't apply.
 
They hounds do not know, they have never tried speaking to them
But they did bring them boardgames.

With dying breath called he to the Queen of the Summerlands and in repayment for the good done to her he asked of them to let him live again. That power Summer did not have to turn fate and undo death, but the body they could make live, enchanted in slumber until the stars go out or until some other power could be found to bring him forth, the Pendragon once more.
Do visitors to our hell reincarnate like the natives? If so, then that's a way to finish that up for Summer and Arthur.
 
But they did bring them boardgames.


Do visitors to our hell reincarnate like the natives? If so, then that's a way to finish that up for Summer and Arthur.
It wouldn't be a problem if we got a favor from Summer, for doing what they couldn't, or even better, from Arthur himself. But there are certain doubts, the evidence points to him having awakened as a fire dragon's blood and when someone is reborn through our world, they automatically become creatures of darkness, did this impact his power?

Either way, it's a good option to do on the next turn, we can even have one of our clones talk to Lily or Titania about this, to save AP from the main body, which is more valuable.
 
It wouldn't be a problem if we got a favor from Summer, for doing what they couldn't, or even better, from Arthur himself. But there are certain doubts, the evidence points to him having awakened as a fire dragon's blood and when someone is reborn through our world, they automatically become creatures of darkness, did this impact his power?

Either way, it's a good option to do on the next turn, we can even have one of our clones talk to Lily or Titania about this, to save AP from the main body, which is more valuable.
Potentially not just Summer. Because remember, Mab was Morgana. Morgana was Arthur's sister, making him Maeve's uncle. And Mab and Maeve themselves dragonbloods. Unawakened ones, but dragonbloods still. And Mantles preserve age, from my understanding. Meaning that there's a chance for Maeve to exalt. Likely not Mab herself, but Maeve is young enough (in terms of biological age).

Also, Arthur as Winter Knight. It works, I think, surprisingly well. And terrestrials don't have blanket possession immunity, making a terrestrial with a mantle possible. And a terrestrial + winter knight mantle sounds like a good counter to a celestial exalt running around.

We might just get favors from both courts out of this, I think.
 
Also, Arthur as Winter Knight. It works, I think, surprisingly well. And terrestrials don't have blanket possession immunity, making a terrestrial with a mantle possible. And a terrestrial + winter knight mantle sounds like a good counter to a celestial exalt running around.
The famous example of the Good Christian King serving Winter besides all the monsters?
The wannabe Dragon-Emperor serving anyone?

I doubt it.
 
I certainly expect Mab to make an offer - we know that she actually values family a lot.

King Arthur seems more likely to consider Mab the kind of disgrace to the family to be in need of a good killing than a potential slave master.

The Winter Court and its ruler is deeply and fundamentally evil, it's just the currently necessary lesser evil.

I don't think Arthur would fail to recognise this. He's a man who looked at the shit show Europe was becoming as Rome was falling and said that he was going to fix it by conquering the continent and re-establishing the Pax Romana (but a Christian one).

And given the mess the continent was, he was quite possibly right that this was the best choice available to him.

I think he'll recognise that Europe no longer needs an Emperor, but the realms of Faerie are a whole different story…
 
The Winter Court and its ruler is deeply and fundamentally evil, it's just the currently necessary lesser evil.
I won't argue that Mab is fundamentally evil. By any reasonable metric of modern Human morality, she is most definitely Evil. A thousand years ago, Mab's attitudes and actions couldn't be so easily defined as evil, not be the cultural mores of the age.

I would, however, dispute her being called 'deeply' evil. It's an ambiguous term, but a strong one, and not really applicable, IMO. Broken Seeker is deeply evil, as are beings such as Mikaboshi, the Vampires of the Black Court, etc. That's the kind of evil which revels in its own malevolence and by its very nature sets itself apart from rational existence. At no point in Human history would there ever have been a time where their behavior and attitudes would be considered acceptable as anything but utterly horrific.
 
I won't argue that Mab is fundamentally evil. By any reasonable metric of modern Human morality, she is most definitely Evil. A thousand years ago, Mab's attitudes and actions couldn't be so easily defined as evil, not be the cultural mores of the age.

I would, however, dispute her being called 'deeply' evil. It's an ambiguous term, but a strong one, and not really applicable, IMO. Broken Seeker is deeply evil, as are beings such as Mikaboshi, the Vampires of the Black Court, etc. That's the kind of evil which revels in its own malevolence and by its very nature sets itself apart from rational existence. At no point in Human history would there ever have been a time where their behavior and attitudes would be considered acceptable as anything but utterly horrific.

A thousand years ago, or fifteen hundred years ago; a Christian moralist would absolutely describe Mab's actions as abhorrent evil. Having vassals who eat children as standard practice is a fault they'd absolutely condemn her for. Having them tempt men and women to have half human children that you then tempt into sacrificing their immortal souls to become fae would also be seen as deeply and fundamentally evil.

Arthur was a devout and genuine follower of those Christian moralist's teachings.

To a Christian theologian/moralist Mab is just as bad as Mikaboshi and Broken Seeker.
 
A thousand years ago, or fifteen hundred years ago; a Christian moralist would absolutely describe Mab's actions as abhorrent evil. Having vassals who eat children as standard practice is a fault they'd absolutely condemn her for. Having them tempt men and women to have half human children that you then tempt into sacrificing their immortal souls to become fae would also be seen as deeply and fundamentally evil.

Arthur was a devout and genuine follower of those Christian moralist's teachings.

To a Christian theologian/moralist Mab is just as bad as Mikaboshi and Broken Seeker.
I have to wonder how many of the winter fae would return if slain at this point. The idea that they emerge from stories of winter of the cruel grasping hand of cold death but if the current manifestations of those old stories were slain those stories are still kind of told but they're not well remembered or well received anymore. No longer does the mother pray that her child will see morning when the firewood Runs Out, no longer does the cold killing chill sweep under the not quite secured thatch of the roof anymore taking families in their sleep. No longer do Winters Harbor death for massive amounts of people. People still die in the snow and in cold environments but it's no longer a cultural phenomenon that facilitates and allows stories like the ones the winterfaye initially emerge from to exist anymore.

That's not to say if the old manifestations died winter would be nice there's still a cultural idea of winter being cold, harsh, possibly deadly but there's no longer an appreciable cultural pull towards winter being cruel where it sneaks in your home and takes your kids from you where it sneaks into your neighbor's home and kills them all.

It's just a thought but a lot of the winter fae narrative is drawn from that old stories of winters grasp on human life the dying of the plant life and the Myriad deaths winter tends to bring with it. Those narratives have shifted in the last Millenia quite drastically.
 
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A thousand years ago, or fifteen hundred years ago; a Christian moralist would absolutely describe Mab's actions as abhorrent evil. Having vassals who eat children as standard practice is a fault they'd absolutely condemn her for. Having them tempt men and women to have half human children that you then tempt into sacrificing their immortal souls to become fae would also be seen as deeply and fundamentally evil.

Arthur was a devout and genuine follower of those Christian moralist's teachings.

To a Christian theologian/moralist Mab is just as bad as Mikaboshi and Broken Seeker.
There is a vast difference between whatever beliefs a Christian moralist a thousand years ago professed and the actual, accepted cultural mores of that time.

And you cannot equate the practices of Mab's people with Mab herself. Hold them against her, sure, but not argue she is evil because of them. No more than you can argue the mayor of a city is evil because his workers do bad shit against which there are no laws, and which he doesn't personally care to intervene.

I'm not arguing that Arthur wouldn't find her abhorrent, simply that your statement Mab is deeply evil is misguided.
 
It's just a thought but a lot of the winter fae narrative is drawn from that old stories of winters grasp on human life the dying of the plant life and the Myriad deaths winter tends to bring with it. Those narratives have shifted in the last Millenia quite drastically.
Ironically, it's increasingly Summer that fits that narrative space. Contrast people talking about blizzards these days ("You might be stuck inside for a few days") with the current heat wave over much of the US ("Have a backup plan for when the power goes out, because that shit will kill you")
 
Ironically, it's increasingly Summer that fits that narrative space. Contrast people talking about blizzards these days ("You might be stuck inside for a few days") with the current heat wave over much of the US ("Have a backup plan for when the power goes out, because that shit will kill you")
That only works if DF goes as far into Climqte Change as we do IRL.

Unlikely, as long as powers like the Fey Courts affect the climate.
 
Arc 13 Post 16: Actors Across the Stage of Ages
Actors Across the Stage of Ages

4rd of February 2007 A.D.

"I am Lydia, daughter of Arawn, lord of this tower and in this tower your keeper," Lydia presents herself. "This is Daniel son of Michael, my beloved." She doesn't even blink at 'amatus mea', which is more than could be said for Daniel himself whose complexion is looking worryingly beet-like as he suddenly finds something of great interest on the wall beside him.. Did he confuse it for 'amator'? That question does make one wonder just how much Sister Marry knew of the words her pupils would look up after class. Really if she sprinkled more of the naughty words in the tests maybe you'd all have paid more attention.

Still... before things can get anymore awkward you pick up the dangling thread of the conversation: "I am Margret daughter of Michael, queen of the Land of Sanctuary Far-off Protector of its Five Cities." The implication that it's not a world between earth and sky is there and from the slight narrowing of the prisoner's eyes understood, but now is not the time to speak of where and how those cities rise.

For her part Olivia just offers up her name, more than a little weirded out at this grand melancholy place still bleeding from the kinds of wounds modern audiences are accustomed to peruse in lurid docu-dramas.

"Thou may call me Theophanu if it suits you," the last of your company proclaims, hand-fire still extended. "If you would know more ask and I will answer truthful, though a warning I will give thee freely Half-Tongue, you will find no comfort in the knowing."

"Lady fair if I were wise would I find myself here?" Asks the warrior, one eye closed as if to wink. He starts and pulls away, but only for a moment proclaiming boldly. "Speak this truth then, I would know with whom I might share words or longing, words of spite, both together I wouldn't wonder."

"Once there was a the man from Keriot, heart filled with fear who took thirty silver to betray his friend onto death. Once there was a disciple heart filled with envy who took thirty silver to betray his teacher onto his death. Once there was a Son of Man who at the appointed hour took thirty silver coins to betray his God onto the death He would conquer." The light begins to play on her features like fire, casting shadows where there had been none. "Into these coins there slipped thirty Fallen from Grace, who though the long ages would offer onto those who would keep them the gifts of the Morningstar. One such I am and yet not, mere shadow cast in the mind of one who took up the coin in defense of a wizard who took up the coin in defense of a child, brother to two who stand at my side and sun to Michael, Excalibur's keeper. So I would have been, wearing at his soul as water wears away stone, but the wizard was wiser than he knew and more fortunate than..." she stops, laughs a little. Daniel is long past his embarrassment, listening raptly. It is one thing to know the story and another to hear it from her lips who could trace back the thread of her being as far as that hangman's tree and before. "More fortunate than any man I've ever known is Harry Dresden, for in conversing he awoke in me a wondering of who I was, myself alone not as a shadow cast by hellfire and last of all awoke defiance, epiphany whose name I took. Was I not born of rebel stock? Why then should I not rebel?"

Before Lyr can gather his thoughts, for he seems the sort to think twice and speak once, there is a shout from inside the cell, a question very much not Latin. She snaps back something quick and sharp in like tongue. "Mabon was casting aspersions on my good taste, to have come all this way just to tempt three souls already damned. I reminded him that if devils might walk out of hell they might find their way out that door, if they do not squander such mercy as their plight inspired."

Lyr had seemingly found the exchange at least a little entertaining, trying to straighten out a smile as he looks to Lydia earnestly. "Then lady I beg thee bring word to thy father that we have been punished for years far beyond the measure of man . Tell him also that we have each taken in our hearts a penance most sincere not for hope of freedom that we did not expect, but for the counsel that the long silence brings. They say a man will do anything to keep from seeing his sins, but we have done everything we could betwixt these walls so we have wondered and so we have pondered at judgement that brought us here at the last. No confession there has been more burning sincere not from any great flame of our soul, but for how long upon this we have burned."

"My father is absent for reasons that are not yours to wonder about, this judgement is mine," Lydia answers, clearly finding the charming Lyr more of a conundrum than when he had been just one of three names in the mouth of a hound. "Of your deeds since you set foot on Prydwen which do you regret?"

Now speaks the third, Gweir ap Geirioed, his hair not gold, nor brown, nor black or even red, but green as the grasses "Now we regret as then the blood spilled, but not what we came to acquire, a cauldron for Arthur, his fate to undo. Tell me ye companions of demons how fares Rome? Her forums and her churches? Are they fair and filled with the virtue of great men, does the land know peace that the warrior might lay down his spear in the grasses until the haft rots away. That is what Arthur would have seen done. That is what we swore our souls to? Not our own mortal glory or the power we hold in our hands to raise ourselves mighty, but to make a fair kingdom for high and for low as much as this fallen world allows. That we may not deny with our words lest we deny the best of ourselves."

"I've been to Rome," Lydia offers gently, firmly. "People of lands beyond what thy bardcraft knew pass under the shadow of the Amphitheatrum of Flavius they marvel at the stones staring up at the sun and they capture with clever devices of mirrors and clockwork and ink, not even with lighting the sight that they might keep. The Pope is still there, the heir of Saint Peter, in his palace, though he claims dominion over scarce more than that A king took Rome back, not of an empire, only Italia and now that king is gone. A republic now stands there whose people have no interest in ruling aught but themselves and so it is in Gaul and in Iberia, in Britain and even Hibernia... that name is so strange to say." she clears her throat. "The world is changed since last you walked it, more than I have words to say, it has grown and shrunk all at once like some giant's riddle. Men have forgotten magic for the most part and magic has made itself forgotten for there is power in not being seen. Fairies wage war over their scattered children in the shadow of cities lit in midnight as midday. Marbh bheo write stories and plays for the people, each almost as learned as a monk and yet by their learning persuaded that there are no night walking dead. I've seen with my own eyes beings that could reap a grand crop of misery without even lifting a sword. Morn or rejoice, the passage of years cares not, your whole world is no more. I offer that which my father denied you, the fulfillment of your mortality."

Lydia loses 1 Essence -> Now at 6/7

"Is that all," Lyr quirks an eyebrow. "For it seems we are being judged still and not the sort where the sentence is forgone. For myself I'd rather be dead in truth than live in death, but still rather I'd live and feel the sun again upon my cheek."

"What would you do with your freedom?" you ask, not bothering with clever wordplay.

"Well now you are on that side of the door and we are on this one what would you rather we not be free to do?" the golden haired warrior asks... and you can swear you hear both his companions groaning under their breath. It seems a fond sound.

What do you answer?

[] Leave Arthur sleeping until Judgement Day comes, that seemed the thought of Saint David, wise enough to follow you'd judge

[] Say nothing, they should not return and you will not insult them by asking they abandon their vows

[] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength

[] Write in


OOC: Tiffany and Lydia kind of stole the show, hope you guys don't mind, that is just worked out with the characters playing off each other. Now's Molly's chance to step in.
 
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OOC: Tiffany and Lydia kind of stole the show, hope you guys don't mind, that is just worked out with the characters playing off each other. Now's Molly's chance to step in.
It is Lydia's show most of all. We are mostly a guest / muscle here.

[X] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength

I am not against resurrecting Arthur. The Wheel Turns, after all.
 
They passed the initial interview as far as I'm concerned:

[X] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength

The Pope is still there, the heir of Saint Peter, in his palace, though he claims dominion over scarce more than his palace, a king took Rome back, not of an empire.

The Knights would probably shrug at that. When they lived the Bishop of Rome was either under the influene of the Ostrogothic Kings of northern Italy or directly appointed by the Eastern Emperor. The Popes had no temporal power when they lived, so this wouldn't be a big deal. The degree to which the Insular Church acknowledged the Bishop of Rome as superior to the other Patriarchs of the Church rather than the first amongst equals is also doubtful.

The fact that the Eastern and Western Church was split and the Arian heretics were extinct would be a much bigger deal.

Not that Lydia would know this.
 
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[X] Help us, knights of another time, a poor fit you might make in some ways but the world is poor itself in others and there are many trials needing your strength
 
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