Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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The most insidious part of this hope plague is that it forces other Yama Kings to quarantine Wicked City. Because absent very few types of hells, Hope is a universal poison to their order. A virulent contagion that makes the damned believe that they can be more? I foresee nearly every hell in Yomi closing its borders, and NeverNever areas around Wicked City being blockaded.
Also, "combating hope plague" and "combating rebellion" are two different, if overlapping, projects. So, ETE should be applicable to both, resulting in a whopping +4 DC adjustment to all actions that are aimed at hope-plague generated rebellion quelling.
Basically? Lanka 2.0: Wormwood Edition. Mikaboshi is going to spend centuries, at best, incapacitated.
Also, "combating hope plague" and "combating rebellion" are two different, if overlapping, projects. So, ETE should be applicable to both, resulting in a whopping +4 DC adjustment to all actions that are aimed at hope-plague generated rebellion quelling.
Basically? Lanka 2.0: Wormwood Edition. Mikaboshi is going to spend centuries, at best, incapacitated.
You come at the Empress, you best not miss.
Molly, tempting a fallen Angel:
The plague is everything I was hoping for. This is the sort of thing that gets its own mention in the history of the thousand hells; Emma-O is going to feel like he dodged an artillery shell without noticing it.
Depending on how lucky we are it might even save the hell for us to eat later when we've had time to digest our other gains. Cause even if manages to drive his work into the ground any Yama King who takes it risks the plague jumping into their own slaves. Even if it's not tuned for their hell it's still something that could cause them problems.
I mean, the ingredients list alone should be enough to make everyone from demon kings to newborn imps break out in a cold sweat. If you were them would you risk catching the plague or treat the Wicked City like a leper colony?
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The plague is everything I was hoping for. This is the sort of thing that gets its own mention in the history of the thousand hells; Emma-O is going to feel like he dodged an artillery shell without noticing it.
Depending on how lucky we are it might even save the hell for us to eat later when we've had time to digest our other gains. Cause even if manages to drive his work into the ground any Yama King who takes it risks the plague jumping into their own slaves. Even if it's not tuned for their hell it's still something that could cause them problems.
I mean, the ingredients list alone should be enough to make everyone from demon kings to newborn imps break out in a cold sweat. If you were them would you risk catching the plague or treat the Wicked City like a leper colony?
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Dmol8
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So am I reading this right? Tiffany/Lash wants to take over, at least for a moment, Mikaboshi's position?
Not specifically, she really wants to make a demon subversion plague. Keep in mind she is a kind of Lasciel, someone who has been called 'rebel angel among rebel angels'. Molly suspects she is drawn to the notion of bringing a hell tumbling down even as the part of her responsible for caution and the limiting of
On the headpat to stern look scale where does deploying benevolent bio weapons against hell rest with Heaven?
Ok, on one hand, Tamerlane is someone who would have gotten a solar exaltation. On the other, I am kinda concerned.
Goldfish
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Silvereagle21
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[X] Spread the word only to his closest allies, those he is reasonably sure will not take it ill
"Boss, are you absolutely SURE about that whole free will thing?"
On the headpat to stern look scale where does deploying benevolent bio weapons against hell rest with Heaven?
I think they're more likely to label us a bioterrorist, which is almost as silly.
Molly is an empress, this is biological warfare.
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More seriously, the political ramifications of this are probably going to be interesting. How does the library even report this?
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Also Nora. Does anyone have idea on how to explain this that won't make her head explode? Cause traditionally if someone goes to these lengths for you on the spooky side it usually means they want something.
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I am not sure it's even bioterrorism. We are planning for it to jump to entirely non-biological entities. This is full on meme warfare.
"Following the successful repelling of an invasion and an economic attack by a foreign rogue state, our ally under the Las Vegas mutual defensive treaty retaliated against the oppressive and undemocratic ruler of said rogue state, using a combination of electronic and thaumic weaponry to incite civil unrest" - it's all in the spin.
Yeah, I am curious about that. I mean, from our perspective it's not even mainly about her, I think, it's about the principle of the matter.
Summer has a thing for physical diseases. Their Mother has a literal shelf of super plagues around because she thinks they're neat.
My assumption is that the fey, being fey, are going to solve the problem of not understanding computers by simply making a "physical" disease so magically delicious that it can infect software anyway. Remember - magical super power running on narrativium, their standards on rational and possible are flexible.
I'd be unsurprised if the end result is something that hops back and forth by forcibly manifesting itself in the new context however best preserves the story it's made of. You see a meme and virions form in your blood. You tag a building with your resistance movement's symbol and a cyber devil watching through a nearby camera gets new code injected into its brain.
A nightmare amalgam contagion. Even if you wiped all memory of it if any of the biological elements remain it'll come back, and even if you kill every biological sample a single missed reference to an idea would let it out again.
Yes, but at that point the medium is not actually biology. Self propagating magical warfare? Meme warfare? I am not sure there is a term for it under current language. Meme warfare seems most accurate of all inaccurate terms.
If it's the story itself that is infectious then that is what a meme is on a fundamental level - an infectious idea or concept.
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I believe the term is "cognitohazard".
Wait a sec...
Congratulations, gang, we're cooking an SCP object. Let's hope Mikaboshi has no Antimemetics Division.
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I'm actually curious about something else, if this passage from the chapter:
Is the way I understand it, we will have the source code or original sample of this disease and then, if we want to spend effort, we can reuse and modify the disease to specifically target other hells (we could also modify it to spread despair, which is also an emotion, if necessary). And just like you said, this is not a simple disease but a meme/story made to specifically fuck in its actual form with all the Yama Kings.
After our adventure against Mikaboshi we will have to keep this Source Code in the deepest and most guarded vaults of our Palace, as it will be something that all kings will want to destroy and many orthers will want to steal.
We will have our hands on something as deadly and contagious as the disease that the Denarios wanted to use the Shroud of Turin to spread to the world.
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I'd argue that having a biological vector makes it a bio weapon, but certainly a ground breaking one. Either way I can't imagine the CDC being happy with the idea of a disease you need physical and informational quarantine to contain, which you can't study because learning about it risks infection.
On this note I think Tiffany is missing something here, probably because we haven't shown what we can do.
It's usually impractical to make everyone immune to a disease even if you theoretically could. People rely on a critical mass of immune people blocking the spread.
However, if you can ignore that and seed enough in a community to get the ball rolling then all but the most expensive and complete defenses will fail to make a difference. Once it's out and mutating in the wild it'll eventually luck into the right combination to get around your immunity.
It sure would suck if someone took a memetic contagion like the hope plague and put it on a splendor web page with Evangelism and Shatter Futility: disease resistance wouldn't it?
As long as we save a copy then we can potentially reseed the disease wherever we can place something to communicate it. Even hells without computer tech still interact with the mortal world, and it's not like Akuma will self report something like this.
So we do even necessarily need to iterate the thing ourselves, just spam it with unblockable spam mail until it mutates in a tier zero victim into something that bypasses the current vaccine.
Yes, if you are part of making the thing you will have its magical signature for lack of a better word. It would actually be pretty bad at killing mortals because of the symbolism of using it to spread hope to the doomed... but given enough effort someone could use it like that. This an an Artifact that happens to be a plague. Artifacts can be deeply conceptual Like the way Exaltation is at once a passing moment (the flash of empowerment) and a imperishable concept, although for obvious reasons none of you can make that.
So, when making a weapon against an immortal deity that has complete control over (local) reality, it's important to remember a couple of things:
1) This is what exaltations were made for. To fight the impossible odds and topple the omnipotent overlords of Creation. And, to compound that, Infernal exaltations were doubly made for that - to break the confines of hell, to regain the glory of the past, to escape the prison of their makers. I think this project might stir some deep, deep memories in Molly. Especially if we go all in with effort (and this might trigger TLF even).
2) Tiffany can boost intelligence of everyone involved up to 10, and that's before any other narrative contribution she brings.
3) The point at which we start godforging is around 30 dice. Infernal exaltations are the ones that carry the legacy of creator deities. Making life, thaumic or otherwise, is squarely in our purview.
4) We have access to and knowledge of the universal source code. Both the current version (Tiffany's knowledge of enochian) and the underlying low level programming language (Primordial speech through Source Code Compliance Protocol)
So, I expect that we are going to shatter 30 if not 50 successes here (because we personally are going to be rolling somewhere between 25 and 35 dice, and likely at something like DC4, and 1s don't cpdecrease the total successes). And the result would, indeed, go down in history books.
1) This is what exaltations were made for. To fight the impossible odds and topple the omnipotent overlords of Creation. And, to compound that, Infernal exaltations were doubly made for that - to break the confines of hell, to regain the glory of the past, to escape the prison of their makers. I think this project might stir some deep, deep memories in Molly. Especially if we go all in with effort (and this might trigger TLF even).
2) Tiffany can boost intelligence of everyone involved up to 10, and that's before any other narrative contribution she brings.
3) The point at which we start godforging is around 30 dice. Infernal exaltations are the ones that carry the legacy of creator deities. Making life, thaumic or otherwise, is squarely in our purview.
4) We have access to and knowledge of the universal source code. Both the current version (Tiffany's knowledge of enochian) and the underlying low level programming language (Primordial speech through Source Code Compliance Protocol)
So, I expect that we are going to shatter 30 if not 50 successes here (because we personally are going to be rolling somewhere between 25 and 35 dice, and likely at something like DC4, and 1s don't cpdecrease the total successes). And the result would, indeed, go down in history books.
While we aren't making exaltations, we are making something very deeply resonant with the themes and purposes of exaltations, Infernal ones specifically.