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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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zxzx24 said:
I think you have a lot of confidence in the american welfare system. Confidence which is unwarranted.
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Babies have a lot easier time getting adopted than any other group, I think it's workable.

Certainly more so than a kid trying to raise a baby she has no idea what to do with. Even with money that's still an issue.

Her needing to turn her life around is just one more reason she isn't ready to be a parent. Doing heavy work on yourself isn't the time to have someone utterly dependent on you for everything.

zxzx24 said:
Enabling is a very telling choice of word. Trying to imply shes gonna go out and get more heroin when we give her money?

Though I imagine you would say that explicitly. In spite of DP having told us she isnt addicted to it anymore. Whole new kind of brain damage.
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If I'd meant drugs I would have said it. I described it as enabling because that's what this is.

Rosie wants to keep her baby because it feels right but isn't thinking of the consequences to her or her child, not in any detailed sense anyway.

Making it possible for her to do that even when it's arguably harmful to both of them is enabling her.

She isn't mentally or emotionally ready to raise a well balanced human being. Rosie functionally admitted to that when she talked about how her life was already destroyed but she wanted to keep the kid with her anyway, presumably because it can't get any worse.

Almost all of her focus is on herself and not on the consequences her actions could have in her kid's future.

That's not an indictment of her character, it's the reality of being as young as she is and facing the issues she's facing.

Edit: my phone's out to get me it seems
 
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BronzeTongue said:
Babies have a lot easier time getting a voted than any other group, I think it's workable.

Certainly more so than a kid trying to raise a baby she has no idea what to do with. Even with money that's still an issue.

Her needing to turn her life around is just one more reason she isn't ready to be a parent. Doing heavy work on yourself isn't the time to have someone utterly dependent on you for everything.


If I'd meant drugs I would have said it. I described it as enabling because that's what this is.

Rosie wants to keep her baby because it feels right but isn't thinking of the consequences to her or her child, not in any detailed sense anyway.

Making it possible for her to do that even when it's arguably harmful to both of them is enabling her.

She isn't mentally or emotionally ready to raise a well balanced human being. Rosie functionally admitted to that when she talked about how her life was already destroyed but she wanted to keep the kid with her anyway, presumably because it can't get any worse.

Almost all of her focus is on herself and not on the consequences her actions could have in her kid's future.

That's not an indictment of her character, it's the reality of being as young as she is and facing the issues she's facing.
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I mean counterpoint most parents aren't ready and sure its kind of a fucked scenario realistically half the problems of parenthood have to do with money and time though as much as we say money doesn't fix things it sure as hell makes shit a lot easier.
 
zxzx24 said:
The first problem we cant easily solve with a days liberal application of melee excellency has them quaking in their boots.
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Are you trying to tell me there is no Charm that would allow us to incarnate the American Healthcare and Wellfare systems into physical spirits, fight them in glorious melee and make them swear fealty while they lie bleeding before us?
 
To explain my vote a bit, I don't think promising the money will solve Rose's problems.

But I think it's making a strong commitment right now, rather than just supportive words.

We can carry her through this, even if it takes AP and some work outside our comfort-zone and I think it's worth trying.
Besides, it can never hurt a young Exalt to learn to take responsibility for a family, even if it's not ours, before eventually taking responsibility of a nation, a hell, or the world.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Are you trying to tell me there is no Charm that would allow us to incarnate the American Healthcare and Wellfare systems into physical spirits, fight them in glorious melee and make them swear fealty while they lie bleeding before us?
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Its probably hiding in the never never somewhere. Like a chump. :V

Artemis1992 said:
Besides, it can never hurt a young Exalt to learn to take responsibility for a family, even if it's not ours, before eventually taking responsibility of a nation, a hell, or the world.
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Or the Universe. If one has devil tiger sized ambitions :V
 
[X] Offer Rosie as much money as she might need to take care of her baby, you'll figure it out somehow

Not sure I really want to look at charities guys simply cause its still largely real life stuff which are often stop gaps at best and molly would likely already know them. You can't tell me michael and charity haven't been making their family help at soup kitchens and stuff their entire lives and help with church organizations. Also we are a fucking exalted we know we can fix and help her problems its not even a debate fuck the middle man and get our shit together ourselves someday guys.
 
So, I'm guessing we are going to use Rosie as a test case of what we can do in terms of minions / teaching people / improving people's lives. She'll become Dresden's and ours student (so we can learn through teaching), and her child our godchild.
 
Yog said:
So, I'm guessing we are going to use Rosie as a test case of what we can do in terms of minions / teaching people / improving people's lives. She'll become Dresden's and ours student (so we can learn through teaching), and her child our godchild.
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shes still you know a minor talent might not be enough to actually become a white council wizard molly was a relatively great talent though in canon. Might actually be a mild enough talent she can do paranet stuff.
 
[X] Offer Rosie as much money as she might need to take care of her baby, you'll figure it out somehow

The write-in doesn't seem justified.
 
Parzival95 said:
[X] Offer Rosie as much money as she might need to take care of her baby, you'll figure it out somehow

The write-in doesn't seem justified.
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also you know takes up more time when we know in and ooc we have so many possible ways to make money now that looking to get them involved in charities seems a bit stupid especially since most charities don't usually permanently fix any problems they circumvent them somewhat and give a little to tide someone over for a little.
 
firefrog600 said:
shes still you know a minor talent might not be enough to actually become a white council wizard molly was a relatively great talent though in canon. Might actually be a mild enough talent she can do paranet stuff.
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Magic is as much about knowledge as it is about power. And exalted teaching charms are BS. Occult 4/5 is a hell of a drug, really. If we can get her up to those levels, plus some specializations, she would be a respectful magician.
 
Yog said:
Magic is as much about knowledge as it is about power. And exalted teaching charms are BS. Occult 4/5 is a hell of a drug, really. If we can get her up to those levels, plus some specializations, she would be a respectful magician.
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that doesn't really change what I said and was directed towards dresden teaching her shes not gonna be a big enough talent to be white council on her own or ever really as what we would teach her isn't white council stuff.
 
mastigos said:
Why would it be replicating the exaltation as opposed to mystically adopting someone and making them into a half-caste? Maybe the mechanical benefits of the merit would need to be toned down, but the core concept seems completely reasonable to me.
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Making someone a half-caste is doable, but out of scale to what VED alone can do, that needs Ancient Sorcery

CorruptedKing said:
I gotta say this as a personal statement but if my friend started saying things like 'don't worry I'm here for you' and 'we'll find a charity or I'll give you money' over and over again my response would probably be 'shut the fuck up, I don't need any charity or your money and shut up with the I'll be here for you bullshit, the more you say it the less reassuring it sounds and it didn't sound reassuring to begin with'
Though some of it stems from the fact that I live in the uk and the nhs takes care of hospital stays, a lot of what we're saying sounds very overbearing, I imagine she's been through some trauma so she'd probably want to avoid relying on others because she'd feel more in control when independent, we should absolutely ask her to go to therapy though we can't force her and that's going to cost money also. So we should start a company or something and hire her instead of just giving her the money to avoid her feeling indebted to us and I'm just going to say it, as she is I don't think she should take care of the baby not with everything else on her plate. As stated this is my personal opinion and I don't want to start a long argument about it because it's nearly 1 am.
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It's not like Molly knows what to say to this. She has just been handed the reality warping starter pack and told to go wild. You know that part about everything looking like a nail when all you have is hammers, well you have all sizes of hammer from 'hammers nails' to 'flattens mountains'. Add in the guilt she is feeling and you get an explosive mix. Fortunately there is the magical power of communication to deal with any issues.
 
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uju32 said:
Commentary!

Hey, y'all are slandering my boy Nelson here #JusticeforNelson

Seriously though, Im not getting Molly's hostility to Nelson.
Ken was Rosie's boyfriend and babydaddy.
The dude didnt survive Splattercon.

Nelson was Molly's boyfriend. The one who people remarked was similar to Dresden in looks and aptitude.
The only commonality is that they were both drug users.
If he'd cheated on her with her female friend, the dynamic here would be very different.
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Conversation at Saint Marry's in Proven Guilty makes it clear that while Nelson was Molly's boyfriend he was also the father of the baby and in Molly's words 'they did not even know what they were doing'. I don't have the books on me because I'm on holiday, but I posted the quote previously here somewhere.
 
CorruptedKing said:
So treat them like piñatas full of blood and money.
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of course they also you know have lawyers, businesses, and minions in governments so they can get us in trouble for taking their money they aren't like just drug money and stuff. Of course their enemies have similar things and such contacts though their far better at computer shit then white council I assume even white council has contacts with those who can use said things. Lot of the war going on right now is through destroying their businesses, messing up their smuggling, hacking their offshore accounts, so we could definitely do it.
 
firefrog600 said:
of course they also you know have lawyers, businesses, and minions in governments so they can get us in trouble for taking their money they aren't like just drug money and stuff. Of course their enemies have similar things and such contacts though their far better at computer shit then white council I assume even white council has contacts with those who can use said things. Lot of the war going on right now is through destroying their businesses, messing up their smuggling, hacking their offshore accounts, so we could definitely do it.
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Multiple pinata combo?
 
Artemis1992 said:
Millonaires don't carry that much in cash around I think.
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many don't of course. We could always ask the crown how to best fuck them over financially and legally.

Edit: As soon as we get contacts and stuff and can share intellectus with some of them omg we can fuck over so many groups via asking unique questions for their hundreds of individuals and being told what some of the best questions for individuals is.
 
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Valkhir said:
Did the Black Magic actually remove her addiction now that I think about it?

Or only added that Intimacy of Terror about Addiction ontop of it?

It would be weird, but not unthinkable so I am asking.
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Forced Cold Turkey essentially. Which DOES work without any magic, except you pretty much have to lock them up. The magic just replaced physical chains with psychological ones.
She might still relapse into addiction if she takes any again, but if she does it would not be willingly because of the terror.
 
firefrog600 said:
that doesn't really change what I said and was directed towards dresden teaching her shes not gonna be a big enough talent to be white council on her own or ever really as what we would teach her isn't white council stuff.
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I think you are conflating "white council" with "mortal human magic". Dresden can absolutely teach a minor practitioner. In fact, it would be a good practice for him to do so. To learn how to work with less than his power, how to adapt and improve efficiency of his magic.

We, on the other hand, have occult 5, excellencies and teaching charms. While we can't do mortal human magic right now, we absolutely can teach it. The theory, the methods, the logic behind it all.
 
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