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[X] Get in contact with Fix the Summer Knight about Nemesis, guide him into a confrontation in which it will reveal itself.


We only met him very briefly on the outskirts of Arctis Tor.
It'll be nice to see him again.

It's also fun to be the one to play games with fay rather than the other way around.
 
Can't we (Harry+Lash) just summon those Summer Fey all into prepared (very expensive) summoning circles strong enough to hold them until the next dawn and then exorcise the Nemesis infection one by one after they're all locked down?

They'll then owe us a lot and can introduce us to Titania.
 
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Alratan said:
Can't we (Harry+Lash) just summon those Summer Fey all into prepared (very expensive) summoning circles strong enough to hold them until the next dawn and then exorcise the Nemesis infection one by one after they're all locked down?

They'll then owe us a lot and can introduce us to Titania.
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You can try, though the Walker knows who both you and Harry are and could refuse to honor the summoning. It does not have to play by the rules.
 
DragonParadox said:
You can try, though the Walker knows who both you and Harry are and could refuse to honor the summoning. It does not have to play by the rules.
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Wouldn't refusing to be summoned like that out then as Nemesis infected anyway though?

Thinking of other related options. I wonder if we could talk to the Merlin about this. Or Ebenezer. They may have contacts with other wizards or sorcerers who can perform a summoning.

Or friendly naagaloshi almost certainly can and has minion shamans who can summon spirits.
 
Alratan said:
Wouldn't refusing to be summoned like that out then as Nemesis infected anyway though?

Thinking of other related options. I wonder if we could talk to the Merlin about this. Or Ebenezer. They may have contacts with other wizards or sorcerers who can perform a summoning.
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They would be the only ones who knew they did so... and they would instantly know you were onto them again.
 
Alratan said:
Thinking of other related options. I wonder if we could talk to the Merlin about this. Or Ebenezer. They may have contacts with other wizards or sorcerers who can perform a summoning.

Or friendly naagaloshi almost certainly can and has minion shamans who can summon spirits.
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Anyone we bring into it is someone we have to convince we do know what we're talking about.

Without telling them about our Crown.

It's further complicated by the traitors in the White Council.
Which we still haven't told anyone about.
 
[X] Ask Harry to contact his friend.

The Eldest Gruff was the one who in canon managed to convince Titania to stop trying to assassinate Dresden, the killer of her daughter. We want a trusted advisor of Titania with that track record, not a new and inexperienced Knight.

Eldest Gruff is likely to hear us out, likely to want to do something about the infiltration and has Titania's ear and respect. He is the goat for the job.

If we also want to bring Fix into this, we can always do that later, when the stakes are lower. But right now I think we need Eldest Gruff for the best chance to get our leg in the Summer's door.

There is also how close Fix is to Lily, who is now close to us. If we don't want to be seen as playing faction games for a hypothetical Summer coup, then we need someone more neutral and someone less likely to be seen as easily manipulated by us, like Eldest Gruff, for this.


Edit: Apparently I might be wrong cause timeline issues and this friend is Elaine instead.
 
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"It's a sunshade basically," you rush to explain and her her mind off pain and grief. "It does not change the nature of the being, the fey in his case, but it keeps the colors sharp, not washed out in the light of the mantle and of course if someone's throwing rocks at you, a sun shade can be a shield."
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Because when you're operating at this level little things like "bullets" are just an inconvenience.

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The big fellow in question gives an apologetic woof at the words, but that isn't going to help. "What about proving the infection. Get the thing to tip its hand...?"

"Perhaps if," the word has a emphasis heavy as lead on the once demon's shapely lips, "you can do it in such a way as not to cause a loss of face for Summer, maybe guide the new Summer Knight herself to make the first move. He is if nothing else, sympathetic."
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I don't like this idea, it's just asking to get people we might be able to save killed.
 
Ok, this won't won, but

[X] Call in a favor with Mab for her help in handling this information in s way that won't sour your relationship with Summer, or tip over the balance of the courts
 
[X] Get in contact with Fix the Summer Knight about Nemesis, guide him into a confrontation in which it will reveal itself.
 
All right as usual the underlined errors/genderbenders are in order of reading:

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"Queen of Summer rightly so. She's dangerously unpredictable, her passions burn bright as a forest fire and just as deadly. Unlike her sister who is perfectly content to instrumentalize the changing times in Winter's favor as shown by the Accords, Titania resents the changes of the last two hundred years, the 'madness of men' she calls it. The Summer fey draw strength from art, music and creativity and while there has been plenty of that of late it's changed and changed and changed again." She stops and taps her chin. "Imagine a pensioner complaining about musing these days crossed with the same old timer faced with the menu changing hourly at her favorite diner and you have the general mood of the Queen of Summer. Onto that add a layer of grief for the death of her daughter, giving her all the more reason to kindle anger into rash action. All things told not someone I would want Harry to be in the same postal code as."
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music not musing I think. Or you could have been going for something else, but it isn't musing.

DragonParadox said:
Lash shifts leans over to peer at it, her lips already forming into a joke that never materializes. Instead she says, slowly almost painfully: "I get the feeling I really should have more insight into how this works."

"It's a sunshade basically," you rush to explain and her her mind off pain and grief. "It does not change the nature of the being, the fey in his case, but it keeps the colors sharp, not washed out in the light of the mantle and of course if someone's throwing rocks at you, a sun shade can be a shield."
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shifts, leans not shifts leans

slowly, almost not slowly almost

take her not her her

this not his

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This time it's Harry who shakes his head. "Titania isn't Mab, she works more off insight and instinct than reason. Usually she has very good insights but..." she sighs. "You saw how Mouse reacted to you."
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he not she

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"Perhaps if," the word has a emphasis heavy as lead on the once demon's shapely lips, "you can do it in such a way as not to cause a loss of face for Summer, maybe guide the new Summer Knight herself to make the first move. He is if nothing else, sympathetic."
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an emphasis not a emphasis

himself not herself

DragonParadox said:
Alas your pessimism proves to be all too warranted, the lights of Bob's eyes grow brighter and brighter swirling furiously as you mention each name on the mental list. Ellawyn is responsible for the the worldwide effort to care for Changlings of Summer blood in the material world. Unlike Winter Summer does not leave its scions to fend for themselves, Lord Sathar is the Queen's stablemaster as his title implies while Lady Laoise is an ancient Dryad who makes her home among the branches of California's Redwoods close the vibrant artistic scene of the West Coast, one of the most coveted positions in the Seelie court. As for Fleeting Dawn on Deep Trods, Bob might know him only by reputation, but he is the Eldest of Summer's unicorns, a sage and warrior of renown.
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doubled up word

Changelings not Changlings

Winter, Summer

stable master, as not stablemaster as

implies, while not implies while

close to the not close the

I don't think I'm voting on this one. Later.
 
Yog said:
Call in a favor with Mab for her help in handling this information in s way that won't sour your relationship with Summer, or tip over the balance of the courts
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What's your reasoning to resort to Mab, when we could try Gruff first?

Also, I don't think the balance between the Courts is that fragile that needing to replace some high ranked nobles counts, especially when Mab's going to have her own equivalent purge anyway. The dangerous imbalances mentioned in the books seem to be more about the big metaphysical stuff, like one side losing access to their mantle of Knight or Lady.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Sweet Rotten Slice​
3rd of January 2007 A.D.
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COMMENTARY
Thank God we actually voted to do our research.
This has all the marks of something that would have blown up in our face if we'd just dumped it and walked away.

Lol Molly coming off as very mafia bossy in that scene with the stink bomb
Not that I blame her; the amount of effort that Foster went to stink up the entire school in order to dodge a single test that would simply be rescheduled is offensive.

Lol Lash.
Your sartorial choices spell out either sister or girlfriend to anyone who knows Harry. It is a reminder of just how big Harry is(six foot nine) to have his T-shirt count as a dress on a woman thats Lash's roughly six feet size.


Okay, Harry's friend is Elaine Mallory.
His childhood sweetheart and former member of Aurora's retinue. Currently out west in California and the Western US as a magic private investigator. She's a Dresden-tier wizard, and may or may not be a Starborn as well.

She will have in-depth, personal knowledge of the upper ends of the Summer Court, because she spent years there. However, its not guaranteed that Titania will remember her with any fondness after Aurora died, and involving her would definitely put her on Nemesis' shit list. I can see why Harry is reluctant to call her.


I am leaning towards calling in Michael and using that Mentor 5 to our benefit instead. The Queens know what the Swords are.

Trying to stage manage a reveal of Nemesis by engineering a confrontation with Summer Knight Fix involves entirely too many moving parts and risks significant collateral damage.
And to be entirely honest, I am not sure that Fix would survive a confrontation with a Nemesis shard.

And bringing in Elaine is unpredictable, at best.
She's likely the last surviving member of Aurora's entourage; most of them died during Summer Knight.
How Titania will react to her is....not something I think we can reliably predict.

And we know how Nemesis will react to her, and I dont know if she has any particular protection against that level of fuckery.
Not to mention that she's been ducking the White Council ever since she fled DuMorne, and this will bring her to their attention.

DragonParadox said:
OOC: For anyone wondering yes that is actual Summerian invective, literally 'shit ass', though more precisely it would be 'what fresh shit'.
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Basically she's saying "What fresh hell is this?"
:V

DragonParadox said:
Rolls
Nightmare (Haven't rolled this in a while)
Tiffany Int+Occult, general fey lore... very good
Harry to analyze the Splendor.. nope, not this time
Lash to analyze, it's in her wheelhouse... botch, not only can't she understand it she knows she should and feels like shit
Molly to read her, not contested... good thing you can't botch a Key Ability, damn
Lash rolling INT+Politics to guess how Titania might take this... back in the game, also the anwer is 'not well'
What does Bob know about the infested, high DC since he has been out of touch... doesn't even matter
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Huh. Lash has Occult 5, Awareness 1, Politics 1.
Rolls werent great today.

Artemis1992 said:
[X] Drop the item and the names on Lilly, she can figure out the rest.

This is her problem, not ours.
Let her solve it.
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No, its our problem. It became our problem once we chose to make an item of Power for the Summer Lady.
And Nemesis has always been our problem.

If we dump this on Lily along with the Splendor and she flubs handling it, and Titania comes to the conclusion that Molly was trying to sponsor a coup in the Summer Court? What do you think will happen?
Its only been four or five years since Nemesis did the same thing, remember? Basically yesterday by immortal standards.

Its not like we dont have a procession of enemies who will happily attempt to get Summer to eliminate a problem for them.
 
[X] Get in contact with Fix the Summer Knight about Nemesis, guide him into a confrontation in which it will reveal itself.
 
"Harry's friend" possibly being Elaine, instead of Eldest Gruff is something I didn't consider. It seems vague enough to potentially be both, without OOC GM confirmation.
 
DragonParadox said:
You can try, though the Walker knows who both you and Harry are and could refuse to honor the summoning. It does not have to play by the rules.
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If we had their Names, we could compel their presence.
But I dont expect we do.
Alratan said:
But it gives a covering reason for why we know they're Nfected.
Getting someone else to do the summonings seems like a better option. Then they've a choice about going or potentially leaking their status to a third party.
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We dont need a covering reason.
We had a vision. Literally true, and tells nothing that isnt already known.
Iron Roby said:
[X] Ask Harry to contact his friend.

The Eldest Gruff was the one who in canon managed to convince Titania to stop trying to assassinate Dresden, the killer of her daughter. We want a trusted advisor of Titania with that track record, not a new and inexperienced Knight.
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Dresden only met Eldest Gruff during Small Favor. At this point in time, he doesnt even know Eldest Gruff exists.
He's referring to Elaine Mallory.
His ex.
BronzeTongue said:
I don't like this idea, it's just asking to get people we might be able to save killed.
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^^^
Goldfish said:
[X] Get in contact with Fix the Summer Knight about Nemesis, guide him into a confrontation in which it will reveal itself.
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See BronzeTongue. Too many moving parts, too much potential for disaster.
And if Fix gets killed in the process, we actually make Lily's position and isolation worse. Not to mention that Titania might suspect we set it up to get him, or other senior Summer nobles, killed.
 
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Iron Roby said:
What's your reasoning to resort to Mab, when we could try Gruff first?

Also, I don't think the balance between the Courts is that fragile that needing to replace some high ranked nobles counts, especially when Mab's going to have her own equivalent purge anyway. The dangerous imbalances mentioned in the books seem to be more about the big metaphysical stuff, like one side losing access to their mantle of Knight or Lady.
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Mab will take advantage of the situation if left unconstrained. That's just her nature. I could edit out the last part, but the main point is to get her to help without souring our relationship with summer fae
 
Iron Roby said:
What "book" should we be at right now anyway, canon has derailed so much that I can't tell anymore? All I know is that it must be before Changes.
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Canon? Proven Guilty was July 2006. White Night was May 2007.
We are currently in January 2007, and we've derailed most of the events of White Night.

EDIT
For reference, Dresden meets Eldest Gruff in Small Favor, which is November 2008 in canon
 
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