Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Where Lilies Bloom​
27th of December 2006 A.D.
COMMENTARY
Gold doorknob? Well, thats opulent.
Makes it clear that we probably shouldnt consider gold as a gift next time.
Maybe something carved in wood.


Zorya's Zebas? TIL that zeba lilies are a thing.

On the other hand, Zorya is a Slavic goddess of folk magic and the dawn, who has a sister/counterpart who is goddess of dusk.
The Roman equivalent of Zorya? Is called Aurora. Im guessing that either ex-Summer Lady Aurora used to own this shop, or that Lily is of Slavic/Eastern European origins. Possibly both.


Lily is rolling Charisma + Subterfuge 8, and Charisma + Expression 11.
Given the comment that subterfuge isnt her paradigm? That suggests that Lily is Charisma 6, Subterfuge 2, Expression 5.
And her description makes it clear that she is at least Appearance 5. Then Queenly Mien gives her a -2DC to social rolls.

Goes to show that even the allegedly weaker link of the Fae Ladies is still formidable in her own right.


Interesting she's tense. Do remember she was the first Fae royal to meet Molly on her return from Arctis Tor.
It does make it clear that we were expected, if she was at the counter; either Harry called ahead, or there's an outer security perimeter that saw Molly coming.

Noting that we can use this scene as a Crown focus to figure out whats bothering her.
Whether now or once we've left her presence.


That Maeve told her about Molly's help and sending Molly to Vegas?
Means that she has to know about Nemesis IC by now. And the fact that it had its hooks into elements of Mab's court, including Maeve herself. Which is probably in and of itself a worry, given that Nemesis was what got her predecessor killed.

We should probably have had Hellscry Chakra running when we came in here. Just in case.
But I assume Demonic Primacy would have pinged if she or the other Sidhe were Nfected; Summer sidhe are not CoDs, after all, so feeling it should have been a giveaway.

And she wasnt Nfected in canon; presumably Summer didnt want to lose two Ladies in a row to the same threat.
 
@uju32
I'd say that Hell Walker allows us to understand spirits and be understood by them.

That doesn't mean we can freely use any language a spirit ever knew when talking to humans.
That's completely outside of what the Charm is supposed to do.

The only reasonable reading to me is that we can communicate with a Chinese spirit without problems, but we don't actually know Chinese and can't speak it if talking to a human or other non-spirit being.
 
1) In Exalted 2E, the language of gods, raksha and sorcery? Is Old Realm.
Which is called Old Realm because it was also the language of the first human empire in the First Age.
And, IIRC, was originally inherited from the Primordials.

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2) In the Dresden Files, spirits all speak human languages, both between themselves and with humans.
Wizards dont need to learn new languages in order to communicate with them.
Ergo, if you learn the languages of spirits, you are learning the languages of humans.

Toot-Toot speaks English and Russian on-screen, and speaks in English to other wyldfae; Lacuna and the other wyldfae all speak English. So do the cobbs. Ulsharavas and Chaunzaggoroth speak English. Bob and Evil Bob spoke English and I think German onscreen, in addition to other languages offscreen; pretty sure Bob speaks French as well.

Bonea speaks English.

Odin speaks English and Norse, probably more. Hades speaks English and presumably Greek.
The Erlking speaks English. Shagnasty speaks English and presumably any number of Native American languages; he helped teach the Native American tribes stuff like language after all.

Alfred Demonreach speaks English.
Lash spoke English, ancient Sumerian and ancient Etruscan that we see onscreen. We see the Winter Court in session in Cold Days at Harry's welcome back party; they speak English. We see the Erlking's court in Changes; they speak English.

Ethniu the Titan spoke English in Battle Grounds.
The angel in Fidelacchius that spoke to her spoke to her in English.
Thorned Namshiel spoke to her in English as well.

Even the Outsiders appear to speak human languages, when they arent doing direct mind-to-mind bullshit.
Extrapolating this to "Molly suddenly is an omniglot" is as silly as extrapolating Faster Than Sight to allowing Molly FTL speeds. It's charms BS. Molly speaks, and those that fall under "spirits" category (which are probably ghosts and elementals, and maybe, but very unlikely, akuma) understand her. That's all. As far as language charms go, Source Code Compliance Protocol is far superior, as it doesn't work just on spirits, it works on all things. And, ok, plants have intelligence 0, so not that useful, but animals should be capable of at least simple communication via this.

Furthermore, there is also the other function of Hell-Walker Technique: Crossing into different layers of the NeverNever.
Which is kinda crucial if you are chasing someone in the Dresden Files who isnt a baseline mortal or low-level/focused talent.

Wizards, Rampires, Blampires, Whampires, Winter and Summer Fae, even the wyldfae, can all dip into the NeverNever.
Literally the only supernatural race I'm aware of that cannot do this as a native ability in the Dresdenverse are ghouls, and its implied in the RPG that at least one high-rank ghoul learned to do it.

If we're going to Vegas after a ranking Outsider agent like Sandra, in an area thats apparently a weak spot in reality?
Im leaning towards that being rather important.
This is a different argument, and for a time at least we have Lydia for this. We certainly shouldn't be spending 12 XP on this right now.
1) Its not a mind-crush, which implies a destruction of their volition.
Its a geas, a binding. A compulsion to obey.
Their volition hasnt been destroyed, just constrained.
The literal description of the charm is, to quote:
Concentrating her implacable will upon another,
the Infernal crushes her target's psyche with a display
of her hellish glory.
It is a mind crush.
2)Its temporary.
Even the most efficacious roll only binds the subject for a year and a day.


When the alternatives are having to permakill, say, a lesser akuma whose soul is held and compelled by a Yama King, or a spirit that's geased against its will, or a child possessed by a demon or a bane, as compared to instead binding their volition for long enough to use Sapphire Exorcism to break the link?

Molly will pick Crowned With Fury every time. I dont think there's any contest there.
No, it's very much a contest, given Molly's personal history. It's a charm that crushes people's minds into submission. Yes, the target will recover in time, but the harm is still being done.
 
It does make it clear that we were expected, if she was at the counter; either Harry called ahead, or there's an outer security perimeter that saw Molly coming.
Maybe but Molly should still feel like Magic!Godzilla when she walks around. I imagine it would be hard not to notice her.
 
[X] Try to figure out what's making Lilly unhappy without her telling you outright
-[X] [Stunt] Placing the flower behind one ear in an apparently thoughtless gesture Molly huffed "When it suits them indeed. It's almost funny how people can move between ignoring what's become different and what has stayed the same." In a playful, almost conspiratorial, tone she continued "They speak of blind men touching an elephant and each only seeing a part, but never about what the elephant thinks about getting felt up and still being mistaken for something else"
 
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  • [X] Try to figure out what's making Lilly unhappy without her telling you outright
    -[X] [Stunt] Placing the flower behind one ear in an apparently thoughtless gesture Molly huffed "When it suits them indeed. It's almost funny how people can move between ignoring what's become different and what has stayed the same." In a playful, almost conspiratorial, tone she continued "They speak of blind men touching an elephant and each only seeing a part, but never about what the elephant thinks about getting felt up and still being mistaken for something else"
    [X] This went well so far, go before it turns sour
    [X] Try to figure out what's making Lilly unhappy without her telling you outright
    [X] Try to figure out what's making Lilly unhappy without her telling you outright
    -[x]Use NWS boosted by the perception+empathy and ATM we just did.
    -[X] [Stunt] Placing the flower behind one ear in an apparently thoughtless gesture Molly huffed "When it suits them indeed. It's almost funny how people can move between ignoring what's become different and what has stayed the same." In a playful, almost conspiratorial, tone she continued "They speak of blind men touching an elephant and each only seeing a part, but never about what the elephant thinks about getting felt up and still being mistaken for something else"
 
Target would have additional chances to make something better from itself instead of simply being killed forever
Overall, and pragmatically, I would probably agree with you, but Molly has a history of well-intentioed mind control that blew up in her face, and resulted in consequences. One of which is her exaltation, as a matter of fact.
 
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  • [X] Try to figure out what's making Lilly unhappy without her telling you outright
    -[X] [Stunt] Placing the flower behind one ear in an apparently thoughtless gesture Molly huffed "When it suits them indeed. It's almost funny how people can move between ignoring what's become different and what has stayed the same." In a playful, almost conspiratorial, tone she continued "They speak of blind men touching an elephant and each only seeing a part, but never about what the elephant thinks about getting felt up and still being mistaken for something else"
    [X] This went well so far, go before it turns sour
    [X] Try to figure out what's making Lilly unhappy without her telling you outright
    [X] Try to figure out what's making Lilly unhappy without her telling you outright
    -[x]Use NWS boosted by the perception+empathy and ATM we just did.
    -[X] [Stunt] Placing the flower behind one ear in an apparently thoughtless gesture Molly huffed "When it suits them indeed. It's almost funny how people can move between ignoring what's become different and what has stayed the same." In a playful, almost conspiratorial, tone she continued "They speak of blind men touching an elephant and each only seeing a part, but never about what the elephant thinks about getting felt up and still being mistaken for something else"
 
Arc 10 Post 47: Faerie Sorrow's, Demon's Counsel
Faerie Sorrow's, Demon's Counsel

27th of December 2006 A.D.

Placing the flower behind one ear in an apparently thoughtless gesture you huff: "When it suits them indeed. It's almost funny how people can move between ignoring what's become different and what has stayed the same." playfully and yet almost conspiratorially you add: "They speak of blind men touching an elephant and each only seeing a part, but never about what the elephant thinks about getting felt up and still being mistaken for something else."

The Summer Lady sighs and it is like the scent of jasmine in the evening upon the air. "Do you want to come out back? I can show you some of the rarer flowers we don't put on display." She glances at the sidhe, you assume lord from the emotions he is allowing himself to show, as if she had just recalled he was there. "Stay here in case a customer shows up Liam."

It seems as though 'Liam' does not have the option of refusing a direct order, he nods once sharply and without a word takes her place as Lilly motions to a an odd door at the back of the shop, ledged and braced like you would see on a barn or maybe a shed, the white paint peeling off as though from years hard use. Any mundane shoppers would assume it is decorative you would bet, but it opens at her lightest touch... into a sunlit garden, the air balmy and fresh.

"Not Kansas?" you ask stepping under the fragrant shadows of cherries blooming pink, wisterias blue and another tree you do not know the name of purple as whispering twilight.

"Only about a third of the way to Oz," Lilly smiles as she closes the door behind you. "That it is a Jacaranda if you're wondering, it's an Australian tree, all the flowers in here are from Earth, no magic to them, though some—" she points at one of the handful of benches scattered around the garden in such a way that makes it clear they are making room for the roots and underbrush not the other way around— "have gone extinct otherwise."

"Benches used to sprout?" You ask in seeming wide-eyed wonder.

"No silly," she swats playfully in your general direction sending an eddy though your hair. "The lichen that's growing on the base. It's not just the pretty ones she used to collect..." the cheer goes out of her like air from a popped balloon. "At least that elephant of yours could always trample the sages if it got sick of being poked. Blind men poking a duck and trying to convince it that it's a swan... eh who am I kidding? She is poking the gofer I never wanted wings to begin with."

"Back up a little, is that something you can elaborate on?"

A small shake of the head is her only reply.

And with that the final piece falls in place. 'She' used twice without reference but in very different tones not to mention tenses. Together with the name of the shop you would guess it used to belong to Aurora the former Summer Lady, the one Harry killed and as for who might be prodding Lilly now... it has to be Titania, the Queen and the Mother would find it easiest by far to compel the Lady to silence, and the latter sounds way too detached from Bob's accounts to be the culprit here. As for the talk of swans ducks and gofers... well it does not take a detective to figure out what metamorphosis might mean in the context of a newly elevated Summer Lady.

I never wanted to be fey, I never wanted this.

Lilly's bright eyes dart around the garden, not like she is taking in the colors or enjoying the pleasant balm of faerie summer, resentfully and... guiltily. This you realize had been Aurora's garden, perhaps her refuge and now to Lilly it is a prison and she hates herself for the thought even as Titania is pushing her to be more like the daughter she had lost.

"That sucks," the words seem inadequate for the occasion, but you are not sure where the line is. Titania must have commanded Lilly not to talk about this because it would make her look bad or the Summer Court look weak.

"The shop used to be Aurora's Asters," she offers a seeming non sequitur. "A to Z, everything changes, it has to right?"

In a sense yes, Lilly has to change now as she grows more in tune with her Mantle, but where does that necessity end and the wish of a mother to fill the hole her daughter's death had made begin? Knowing what you do about what Mab was willing to do for her children it is hard to imagine that Titania, whose power is of the heart, would not be swayed by grief. If Aurora had been deep in the Mantle's power then it would stand to reason that the more Lilly changes the more she is like the daughter Titania lost. Fuck, what am I going to do, what am I going to say? What can I say?

As is so often the case asking those kinds of questions and answer rises from within, a voice like hissing brass and cutting, icy winds: "Yours is the Will and the Power of Unbinding Majesty, if you wish to divest the girl of the bright mantle do so."

"And declare war on the Summer Court?"
you shoot back, shaken not so much at the words, but at how much you wish it would be that simple, that you could draw a circle in the dirt, tear the mantle from Lilly's shoulders and let it fly to some more willing host.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 12/15 (Occult Excellency)

"War would be their choice and not a light one," Usum does not relent. "Yours is the will that moves the Five Cities of Fate. Mistake me not Majesty, I do not propose this lightly, the girl is a weak link. Hardly have you walked in the door and she has confessed a weakness, not just her own but one which encompasses the Court. How might some other less well meaning forces use this? The Knight of the Forlorn Heart has been rebuked but not undone. Think how easily could he promise freedom from her very nature, from the demands of the Summer Queen."

"You think she wouldn't notice?"
Even having this argument feels terrifying.

"Two favors does Winter owe to thine deathless throne," he reminds you. "One alone would be enough to guard you from the wrath of the Summer Court for such a transgression. As it would be in service of Winter's wider goal of guarding the world from those Outside the Cold Queen might even approve."

"And who is to say the next person would not be as ill suited for the Lady's Mantle if not more so?"
It is a good thing Lilly does not seem to take the long silence badly, maybe because she is used to dealing with older fey for whom time flows differently, or maybe just because she does not expect more that those two words of commiseration. After all, what else could you do? You bite back bitter laughter.

"That is a concern." Usum admits at last. "You could always seal it in a container and deliver it to Mother Summer to be invested with all the wisdom she is so famed for."

What do you do?

[] Try to advise Lilly on how to keep those parts of herself she does not wish to lose
-[] Optional: After making her swear not to repeat it share the story about how Mab warped the very Mantle to encourage her

[] Seriously consider Usum's idea, once you are at the Last Station summon Mab to ask her advice on how workable it would be and if aid with this would fall under the terms of Winter's debt to you

[] Write in


OOC: So you know how Dresden, famously not the most socially observant person on planet Earth, noticed significant changes in Lilly, far more so than in Molly? Well when you add the fact that Titania had just lost her daughter and the changes made Lilly seem more like Aurora... unhealthy copping mechanism ahoy.
 
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@uju32
I'd say that Hell Walker allows us to understand spirits and be understood by them.
That doesn't mean we can freely use any language a spirit ever knew when talking to humans.
That's completely outside of what the Charm is supposed to do.

The only reasonable reading to me is that we can communicate with a Chinese spirit without problems, but we don't actually know Chinese and can't speak it if talking to a human or other non-spirit being.
Counterpoint:
Source Code Compliance Protocol already exists as a 1-dot charm thats free to use for linguistics purposes, and which you can spend 1m to avoid damage to others.
Yet this was also made available.

As for what the charm is supposed to do, see Rendered Villain Dispersal.
We worked out the implications of being able to dematerialize into arbitrarily large bodies of water for ourselves.

Being able to, and I quote: "understand the language of spirits and make herself understood by them" in a setting with not just a bunch of gods, fae and spirits, but a large and significant population of human ghosts reaching back into prehistory (and animal ghosts for that matter; see Sue the T-rex) has pretty straightforward implications for our general literacy.

My two cents, at least.


Extrapolating this to "Molly suddenly is an omniglot" is as silly as extrapolating Faster Than Sight to allowing Molly FTL speeds. It's charms BS. Molly speaks, and those that fall under "spirits" category (which are probably ghosts and elementals, and maybe, but very unlikely, akuma) understand her. That's all. As far as language charms go, Source Code Compliance Protocol is far superior, as it doesn't work just on spirits, it works on all things. And, ok, plants have intelligence 0, so not that useful, but animals should be capable of at least simple communication via this.
You might have a point if I was arguing from the name of the charm instead of its mechanics.

This is the same charmset where a 3-dot charm makes Molly a nuclear power. Where a 2-dot charm allows her to take over any unattended electronic device within Essence*5 yards of her (yes, that includes blenders and laptop computers, but also supercomputers, airplane avionics, electronic door locks, security cameras, modern cars, and ICBMs), for free without a roll.

Yeah, I dont really find that objection reasonable.


The implications are about as straightforward as when we realized that the 1-dot charm Rendered Villain Dispersal would make Molly into an international teleporter once we realized how extensive and contiguous bodies of water get. Or that the King and Kingdom charm could be used as a justification for acquiring a lot of Backgrounds, from Resources to Backup.


This is a different argument, and for a time at least we have Lydia for this. We certainly shouldn't be spending 12 XP on this right now.
As demonstrated during our last three major mission arcs(Getting back from the Monoc base to confront Seeker, discovering the Brass Courts, and assassinating Arianna), Lydia is not always around and available.

Furthermore, because she has a much smaller Essence pool for both combat and utility, even with the 2-dot Essence battery, she has a greater need to conserve Essence available.
Remember, Lydia has less than half Molly's Essence pool at base: 7 Essence to Molly's 15.


The literal description of the charm is, to quote:
Ambiguous phrasing. I quote:
Article:
2 [Greek psychē]
a : soul, personality
the nation's consumer psyche— D. J. Kevles
b : the totality of elements forming the mind (see mind entry 1 sense 2) specifically, in Freudian psychoanalytic theory : the id, ego, and superego including both conscious and unconscious components

Article:
the mind, or the deepest thoughts, feelings, or beliefs of a person or group:
the male psyche
Peru is a very traditional country, and embedded in its psyche is a love of ceremony
.

Article:
2.psyche,
  1. the human soul, spirit, or mind.
  2. Psychology, Psychoanalysis. the mental or psychological structure of a person, especially as a motive force.

Especially when the charm says this:
The target can resist a command from the Infernal for a scene, but doing so causes her body to begin tearing itself apart under the strain of disloyalty, inflicting one unsoakable level of lethal damage. Each level of damage the target suffers to resist this Charm negates one success on the Infernal's roll, shortening its duration.
Doesnt sound like a crushed mind to me.


No, it's very much a contest, given Molly's personal history. It's a charm that crushes people's minds into submission. Yes, the target will recover in time, but the harm is still being done.
No, I dont agree.Not when the other option is homicide.

Im not saying she'll be casual, or blase about it. But as opposed to killing a bunch of unwittingly bound lesser akuma and sending their souls off to fates unknown? Or, say, that skinwalker dude she shanked because she had no way of taking him prisoner?
She wont like it. But she'll do it.

Agree to disagree, I guess.
 
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I'd really rather not make an enemy of Summer, which they'd be even if we spent a favor on protection from the greater part of their revenge.

It almost ensures that we'll get sucked into fey politics of the worst kind and stuck on Winter's side regardless of what kicks it off.

Could we perhaps make a splendor that allows her to remain summer lady but renders her immune to changes she doesn't deliberately accept from it? They are all about cheating and we do have the exorcism to base something off of.
 
I'd really rather not make an enemy of Summer, which they'd be even if we spent a favor on protection from the greater part of their revenge.

It almost ensures that we'll get sucked into fey politics of the worst kind and stuck on Winter's side regardless of what kicks it off.

Could we perhaps make a splendor that allows her to remain summer lady but renders her immune to changes she doesn't deliberately accept from it? They are all about cheating and we do have the exorcism to base something off of.

Splendors are Ancient Sorcery, miracles of the First Age made manifest so with a powerful enough Splendor you could yes. How Titania would take is hard to guess though. Unlike just removing the Mantle Lilly could be ordered to take off your gift.
 
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Well, Im guessing that learning about this at least is gonna be worth bonus XP at the end of the arc
:V

Thing is, Molly owes Lily; not formally, but morally.

Without her aid, there's a fair chance the rescue party wouldnt have made it to Arctis Tor in the first place. IC, she's got to be wondering how much of it was coincidence that she stumbled across Lily like this, especially since Uriel has more or less admitted to having a hand in events.


I'd really rather not make an enemy of Summer, which they'd be even if we spent a favor on protection from the greater part of their revenge. It almost ensures that we'll get sucked into fey politics of the worst kind and stuck on Winter's side regardless of what kicks it off.

Could we perhaps make a splendor that allows her to remain summer lady but renders her immune to changes she doesn't deliberately accept from it? They are all about cheating and we do have the exorcism to base something off of.
The problem there is that we dont know if she can be commanded to give it away.
That kind of thing would be in Titania's purview. And given that such a gift was the vector for Lea, and eventually Maeve's Nfection, I can see her acting in good faith.

One option of course is to burn this scene as a Crown focus.
The flower is another Crown focus.
Just need to figure out the right question(s) to ask.
 
Splendors are Ancient Sorcery, miracles of the First Age made manifest so with a powerful enough Splendor you could yes. How Titania would take is hard to guess though. Unlike just removing the Mantle Lilly could be ordered to take off your gift.
Immunity and mind control and possession can be given together starting at 2 dots. This isn't the same, but is that roughly the level here or does it need to cross the 4 dot barrier?

The problem there is that we dont know if she can be commanded to give it away.
That kind of thing would be in Titania's purview. And given that such a gift was the vector for Lea, and eventually Maeve's Nfection, I can see her acting in good faith.
Fey can't give or take anything without balance. If Titania wanted to take Lily's guard against being changed then she'd owe her for it. I'd argue it should be enough to compel her not to force the issue herself.
 
We all change and change again with the years, like a story changes and changes again with every telling until not a single word remains of the original tale. Until the language it was told in dies and lies forgotten or made graven idol of. Again and again through the days, through our life and lives, through the ages. And yet, while none of the words remain the same, they still rhyme and the story remains visible through the haze.

It is right to fear change and loss, it is right to hold on to the parts of yourself that are important to you, but that change and alienation to yourself is natural regardless. Just more extreme in this moment, under this mantle, than it otherwise might be. We suffer the same as we try to ensure that 'Molly' is not irreconcilable with whatever we are becoming.

If we granted a boon that helped this girl hold onto something... I would specifically not make it something that let her hold on to everything. Just one thing, one solid rock in the storm that she holds precious to, that Titania might overlook or forgive. What about someone they would keep when everything else might, in time, change is another question.

To not change would be no kindness for this woman even if we might grant it. A ship with one anchor survives the storm, a ship with a thousand is no longer a ship.
 
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Immunity and mind control and possession can be given together starting at 2 dots. This isn't the same, but is that roughly the level here or does it need to cross the 4 dot barrier?

The ability to hold on to her intimacies, which is what she is trying and failing so far mechanically would be four dots yes. She is already possessed in a sense, she wants to be able to stave off the effects.

Fey can't give or take anything without balance. If Titania wanted to take Lily's guard against being changed then she'd owe her for it. I'd argue it should be enough to compel her not to force the issue herself.

Not quite, Titania has authority over Lilly by virtue of the place Lilly holds in the Court, that is how she can give orders in general, it is how Lilly was able to order 'Liam' the Sidhe without buying him dinner.
 
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Titania probably can't order Lily to destroy or give her or anyone else a splendor we make for her, but she could probably order her not to wear it.

The question then comes is could we make a splendour that Lily can't voluntarily remove.

Given the nature of the courts, I'd suggest something like a neural prosthesis that's invisible externally, that we upgrade with the desired enchantment on top of its base functions, plus an additional enchantment to make it hard to detect that it does this.

We might need the Cybernetics charm for this as well though.
 
Actually thinking about it some more 'Immunity to possession and mind' control would cover what Lilly needs, it would not be perfect because she is already possessed by something the item cannot remove, but she is not after perfect, just 'good enough not to lose myself'. So yeah you start at two dots for just doing the job though as @Alratan says above you may need to add things in.

Or you could even try talking to Titania, that is up to you guys.
 
Another thought. Could we extract the Mantle, then modify/upgrade it using our crafting charm and reinstall it back in Lilly?
 
[X] Plan Better Living through Crafting
-[X] Renew excellencies, if needed
-[X] Try to advise Lilly on how to keep those parts of herself she does not wish to lose
--[X] Offer her a boon - a treasure to protect her mind from changes brought on by magic (a 2 dot splendor protecting against mind alteration and possession) at the cost of the twice the materials, including subjugated monsters for your to sacrifice, needed to make one, and essentially being advertisement to Fae queens of what you can make
--[X] Advise her how to sell the idea of a perfect mental defense to Titania without revealing her true motives
---[X] Subterfuge excellency
-[X] Seriously consider Usum's idea, once you are at the Last Station summon Mab to ask her advice on how workable it would be and if aid with this would fall under the terms of Winter's debt to you


The ability to hold on to her intimacies, which is what she is trying and failing so far mechanically would be four dots yes. She is already possessed in a sense, she wants to be able to stave off the effects.
Isn't that immunity to mind alteration? She would still be possessed, but protected from mind altering effects of the Mantle:
Sacred Protection (3 pt. Root Element)
This Splendor defines that which cannot threaten those within its influence, according to the Splendor's character as defined by appropriate Form Elements.
It provides immunity to damage from wind, cold, and electricity (air); being crushed, cut, or pierced by stone or metal (earth); being burned (fire); being drowned (water); being poisoned or struck by wooden objects (wood); disease (death); possession (spirit); or the twisting of the mind by supernatural powers (dreams). If its protection is bestowed by a Fascination, it lasts for a number of hours equal to the Splendor's rating, and may be set to persist indefinitely while within the Splendor's influence in the case of Forms such as Form of the Hearth.
If more than one characteristic is drawn upon when this Element grants its Protection, then instead of invincibility, damage is simply downgraded from aggravated to lethal, lethal to bashing, and bashing damage cut in half after soak (round down), while immunity to possession and thought alteration become the ability to make a Willpower roll at difficulty (10 – Splendor's rating) to immediately shake the effect off, and immunity to disease becomes the ability to make a Stamina roll at difficulty (10 – Splendor's rating) to immediately shake the infection off.
We want this effect. It might still allow her to be possessed by Nemesis, but it would protect her from supernatural mind alteration.
 
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