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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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DragonParadox said:
She knows enough to give it a go. How well Harry would be able to follow is up to him
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We should definitely add this to the pile. Harry, Bob, Lydia all should definitely be given lessons, if possible. Maybe trusted members of the Order of Cauldron too.

Hmm... We should write another book, I think. Old Realm to English dictionary.
fictionfan said:
Don't think that it would actually be a boost more like multiclassing. It's a completely different paradime.
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That's arguable. It could also be synergistic. Not just shaping your will with mnemonics, but also giving mystically significant commands that the reality might be (slightly) more inclined to follow
 
[X] No Catch
-[X] [Stunt]: Taking a deep breath Molly looked Lash in the eyes " Each of us is born into this world with at least one thing without let, loan, or lien, or at least should be"
—[X] Gesturing to the mirror, she continued "Your mother may have failed you in that regard, but it's nothing some very pre-modern medicine can't fix"
—[X] "I'm not going to try to help you by controlling your life, or exploit your situation for my own gain in the way of the fey. Instead I'm going to offer you a hand in friendship entirely independent of the one performing your surgery and hope that you choose to take it"

Maybe something like this? I'm not convinced we can bind her in a way that would be helpful long term, but not requiring an alliance might be a little to loose.
 
fictionfan said:
Really? We are in a dragon nest and have been doing time intensive rituals and crafting. Also our total essanse is 15 not 13.
One more thing, nothing we have learned has been a supernatural secret?
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You did, you regained 8 Essence over the 2 hours of prep work, but you then proceeded to spent 5 just on the ritual and a constant drain for excellencies, you did regain 2 at the very end of last update from Lash understanding you.
 
For those voting for no catch keep in mind that the QM rarely relitigates votes and that it is a write in to me this feels like the QM giving us a chance to get our head out of the noose. Even if you assume that Lash is operating in good faith that doesn't work without some sort of agreement. But if we must do a write in how about this.

[X] Don't be an asshole to the best of your ability.
-[x]Now I wouldn't say no to you swearing Allegiance. You know your worth and that value is about to skyrocket, but if you don't swear to me of your own volition because you think it's the best option I expect that you will end up being my most troublesome vessel yet.


[X] Make common cause against common foes like the Denarians

[X] True allience, you watch her back, she watches yours

[X] Aligeance, swear an oath of fealty to you
 
Not requiring anything at all just seems like throwing away an opportunity for no good reason.

She's the one prompting us right now. It's not like Lash sees an exchange itself as unreasonable.
 
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LightLan said:
She is jaded.

She can't believe there is no hook.
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You think it would be more impactful to not ask for anything? It's reasonable to ask for something in return at this point.. I suppose we don't actually need to though.

Ah well this entire thing is a leap of faith anyway with the potential to backfire horribly.

After she gets put into a body don't forget to at least vote to ask the Crown if that body can pick up or summon a coin.
 
[X] No Catch
-[X] [Stunt]: Taking a deep breath Molly looked Lash in the eyes " Each of us is born into this world with at least one thing without let, loan, or lien, or at least should be"
—[X] Gesturing to the mirror, she continued "Your mother may have failed you in that regard, but it's nothing some very pre-modern medicine can't fix"
—[X] "I'm not going to try to help you by controlling your life, or exploit your situation for my own gain in the way of the fey. Instead I'm going to offer you a hand in friendship entirely independent of the one performing your surgery and hope that you choose to take it"

Doing good for good's sake is the essence of virtue.
 
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[X] No Catch
-[X] Stunt: I think we have a common interest in opposing the Denarians, but we can talk about that when you have your body. The deal is freedom for you and Harry and I'll stick to it. If you ever stab me in the back, it will be for your own reasons, not because I tried to shackle you in the moment of your birth.

Yeah that works for me.

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[X] No Catch
-[X] [Stunt]: Taking a deep breath Molly looked Lash in the eyes " Each of us is born into this world with at least one thing without let, loan, or lien, or at least should be"
—[X] Gesturing to the mirror, she continued "Your mother may have failed you in that regard, but it's nothing some very pre-modern medicine can't fix"
—[X] "I'm not going to try to help you by controlling your life, or exploit your situation for my own gain in the way of the fey. Instead I'm going to offer you a hand in friendship entirely independent of the one performing your surgery and hope that you choose to take it"

Added the approval vote for the other No Catch vote.
 
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[X] Don't be an asshole to the best of your ability.
-[x]Now I wouldn't say no to you swearing Allegiance. You know your worth and that value is about to skyrocket, but if you don't swear to me of your own volition because you think it's the best option I expect that you will end up being my most troublesome vessel yet.


[X] Make common cause against common foes like the Denarians

[X] True allience, you watch her back, she watches yours

[X] Aligeance, swear an oath of fealty to you
-[x][Stunt] "Before you wanted me to convince Harry to swear an oath of fealty to me so he would always have some kind of safe harbor in case the wheels came off. I think that the same argument applies to you even better. And to be clear yes I am showing off."
 
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[X] No Catch
-[X] Stunt: I think we have a common interest in opposing the Denarians, but we can talk about that when you have your body. The deal is freedom for you and Harry and I'll stick to it. If you ever stab me in the back, it will be for your own reasons, not because I tried to shackle you in the moment of your birth.

[X] No Catch
-[X] [Stunt]: Taking a deep breath Molly looked Lash in the eyes " Each of us is born into this world with at least one thing without let, loan, or lien, or at least should be"
—[X] Gesturing to the mirror, she continued "Your mother may have failed you in that regard, but it's nothing some very pre-modern medicine can't fix"
—[X] "I'm not going to try to help you by controlling your life, or exploit your situation for my own gain in the way of the fey. Instead I'm going to offer you a hand in friendship entirely independent of the one performing your surgery and hope that you choose to take it"
 
[X] No Catch
-[X] [Stunt]: Taking a deep breath Molly looked Lash in the eyes " Each of us is born into this world with at least one thing without let, loan, or lien, or at least should be"
—[X] Gesturing to the mirror, she continued "Your mother may have failed you in that regard, but it's nothing some very pre-modern medicine can't fix"
—[X] "I'm not going to try to help you by controlling your life, or exploit your situation for my own gain in the way of the fey. Instead I'm going to offer you a hand in friendship entirely independent of the one performing your surgery and hope that you choose to take it"
 
[x]Plan simplicity
-[X] Make common cause against common foes like the Denarians
-[X]Keep my secrets. Particularly the true extent of my information gathering ability and the time I fell victim to the enemy's machinations before I got my powers that led to me being taken by winter. Those aren't bargaining chips.
-[X]Beyond that, do as you wish

We already said we're giving her the body to defend herself against Denarians, and if we don't spell it out that we want the crown kept secret she might not know.
 
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I think my plan is like... 95 percent what Lash would have done anyways assuming she remained in the Chicago area. Beyond that, someone should at least try to be the contrarian here
 
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[X] Make common cause against common foes like the Denarians
[X] No Catch
-[X] Stunt: I think we have a common interest in opposing the Denarians, but we can talk about that when you have your body. The deal is freedom for you and Harry and I'll stick to it. If you ever stab me in the back, it will be for your own reasons, not because I tried to shackle you in the moment of your birth.
 
I think the "No catch" option has merit - it could well be better that we minimise the notion where possible that she will forge new chains by throwing her lot with us, so that more mutually trusting relationship is formed longer term, but on the other hand, it would be both arguably a little deceitful to not admit we have hopes of working together against the Denarians, and trying to hard-sell "no strings attached" would probably (at least at this stage) raise more red flags than calm concerns for Lash, considering her current scepticism and cynicism about, if not the earnest purity of our motives (which I'm sure remains a lingering doubt in the back of her mind), then certainty the fallibility and corruptibility of mortal mind, motives and souls, even those (or perhaps especially those) as ascended as our own.

Therefore, at least for the moment, I think Yog's modification of Artemis1992's proposal is the best compromise for now, assuming I'm interpreting it right - a compromise or middle approach between "Make common cause against common foes like the Denarians" and "No Catch", where we give an open-ended offer for the most tentative collaborative approach, but make clear that her promised body is in no way conditional to whatever she decides in a gesture of good-faith and respect of her personhood.

[X] Make common cause against common foes like the Denarians
[X] No Catch
-[X] Stunt: I think we have a common interest in opposing the Denarians, but we can talk about that when you have your body. The deal is freedom for you and Harry and I'll stick to it. If you ever stab me in the back, it will be for your own reasons, not because I tried to shackle you in the moment of your birth.
 
[X] Make common cause against common foes like the Denarians
[X] No Catch
-[X] Stunt: I think we have a common interest in opposing the Denarians, but we can talk about that when you have your body. The deal is freedom for you and Harry and I'll stick to it. If you ever stab me in the back, it will be for your own reasons, not because I tried to shackle you in the moment of your birth.
 
Negentropy said:
Therefore, at least for the moment, I think Yog's modification of Artemis1992's proposal is the best compromise for now, assuming I'm interpreting it right - a compromise or middle approach between "Make common cause against common foes like the Denarians" and "No Catch", where we give an open-ended offer for the most tentative collaborative approach, but make clear that her promised body is in no way conditional to whatever she decides in a gesture of good-faith and respect of her personhood.
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I am actually approval voting
 
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