Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The problem with the water option is the fomor.
They do business with the Reds/are silent allies, so I dont know if they can raise parts of the plane for them
It would be empty (no corpses at least), with ruined electronics thanks to our cyberdevil and washed-away magical signatures through the nature of water.

I doubt the Reds could get much out of it even if they fished it out within a day or two.
 
There is also the fact that the ocean is big... very very big. Yes the Fomor live in it but so too do people live in the Sahara Desert the Amazon Rainforest or the Australian Outback. Just because they do does not mean they can find a random plane that crashed somewhere in that volume. Granted the Fomor also have magic, but the ocean is also a lot bigger than either of those places.
 
What do you do about the bracers?
To be honest? I dont really see the value of these bracers to Molly as anything other than crafting components or maybe diplomatic gifts to people from Mexico. And I suspect IC she'd balk at using a historical artifact of the Mexican peoples as crafting components, and its too hot to use as a gift.

Nor can I see any use Lydia would have for this either; she's Exalted, she can already block or parry agg.
Even Seeker would be hard pressed getting use out of this; it does nothing for him he cant already do for himself, and he has no use for storing fresh blood for around 2 weeks. A uniquely vampiric artifact, and only for Reds and Blacks at that.

Can anyone else make an argument for it?
It would be empty (no corpses at least), with ruined electronics thanks to our cyberdevil and washed-away magical signatures through the nature of water.
I doubt the Reds could get much out of it even if they fished it out within a day or two.
There is also the fact that the ocean is big... very very big. Yes the Fomor live in it but so too do people live in the Sahara Desert the Amazon Rainforest or the Australian Outback. Just because they do does not mean they can find a random plane that crashed somewhere in that volume. Granted the Fomor also have magic, but the ocean is also a lot bigger than either of those places.
Fair enough.
 
With regards to divination and scrying on Molly, I don't think this is gonna reach meme Worm levels of people knowing absolutely everything about you. However, considering what Molly's just done--sniping a top level general in the supernatural worlds current hottest conflict--Id find it incredibly reasonable if various factions reprioritize and/or bust out stuff that would normally be too expensive to use to try and figure out what the hell.

Like as a hypothetical negoating with a Loa or some other spirit would be too hasslesome and expensive. idk, maybe there's someone who's willing to answer stuff for literal years of your life. In 99% of cases, its not worth it. Someone in under a years time of active service ganking the Red Lords daughter? That might be the 1% cases where the price is worth it.
 
Even Seeker would be hard pressed getting use out of this; it does nothing for him he cant already do for himself, and he has no use for storing fresh blood for around 2 weeks. A uniquely vampiric artifact, and only for Reds and Blacks at that.
Mostly for curses and stuff.

We know for a fact that Seeker can use those on his minions, with fresh blood of targets he could use them on those.
He is uniquely good at disengaging from most fights, as you have mentioned more than once when the discussion came on attacking him, so drawing blood and then getting away is relatively easy for him.

Look at his canon fight with Dresden and then Joseph.
With a blood sample from both he could have caused quite a bit more mischief after disengaging.

Edit: Also being able to block things he can't block right now would be useful in some situations where dodging isn't easy and tanking would hurt.
 
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[X] Let him have them, you can afford to be generous
To be honest? I dont really see the value of these bracers to Molly as anything other than crafting components or maybe diplomatic gifts to people from Mexico. And I suspect IC she'd balk at using a historical artifact of the Mexican peoples as crafting components, and its too hot to use as a gift.

Nor can I see any use Lydia would have for this either; she's Exalted, she can already block or parry agg.
Even Seeker would be hard pressed getting use out of this; it does nothing for him he cant already do for himself, and he has no use for storing fresh blood for around 2 weeks. A uniquely vampiric artifact, and only for Reds and Blacks at that.

Can anyone else make an argument for it?
Broken Seeker likes his curses, so the blood thing could be useful to him under a limited at of circumstances.

Otherwise I agree. The only people we could potentially gift the bracers to without causing significant trouble is Arthur/the wizards, and it's not like they'd really be much use to him or the council. It'd purely be a flex, and if we need that we can show them Ortega's head in a hatbox before we use it as a crafting token*.

Incidentally, we should totally pull that stunt on Dresden regardless of our long term plans. Messing with him is good clean fun**, and has none of the risk to our diplomatic portfolio going full medieval might.

* Not as anything structural, as traditional as a goblet made from an enemy's skull may be for budding infernals, just as something burned prodigy/splendor style to tie off an effect.

** Just look at his life, it's clear even the white god feels this way. :V

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Mostly for curses and stuff.

We know for a fact that Seeker can use those on his minions, with fresh blood of targets he could get it from targets.
He is uniquely good at disengaging from most fights, as you have mentioned more than once when the discussion came on attacking him, so drawing blood and then getting away is relatively easy for him.

Look at his canon fight with Dresden and then Joseph.
With a blood sample from both he could have caused quite a bit more mischief after disengaging.
Eh.

He could already do that by sticking you with a knife and bailing with the bloody blade.
Or even his claws. Then use magic to stabilize the sample.
Its a "may be useful" to him. Doesnt really add anything significant to his skillset or capabilities I can see.

Even he appears to think so, given the way he introduces it IC.

Id take it if we got it for free, but it would be the sort of thing we kept for its historical significance, or trade for diplomatic points or for something else we want.
Not really something I'd be fussed about.
 
Ok, also, can we dismiss/recall the spirit we put in the plane from a distance, or do we need to be physically touching the plane to remove the spirit?
This has come up before; the spirits only get out when the platform goes kaput. It doesn't seem like they have a pain response for their toys though, since they don't seem particularly averse to destroying them beyond the loss of functionality itself.

If this situation works like the various cars have we can probably have the cyber devil free itself by blowing up the engines even if diving at the ground wasn't an option.

In this particular case we should probably do both.
 
With regards to divination and scrying on Molly, I don't think this is gonna reach meme Worm levels of people knowing absolutely everything about you. However, considering what Molly's just done--sniping a top level general in the supernatural worlds current hottest conflict--Id find it incredibly reasonable if various factions reprioritize and/or bust out stuff that would normally be too expensive to use to try and figure out what the hell.

Like as a hypothetical negoating with a Loa or some other spirit would be too hasslesome and expensive. idk, maybe there's someone who's willing to answer stuff for literal years of your life. In 99% of cases, its not worth it. Someone in under a years time of active service ganking the Red Lords daughter? That might be the 1% cases where the price is worth it.
*Odin lovingly stroking the two combat deployment favors from Molly+Lydia in his pocket that he got for the low low price of a pair of Valks and a couple Einherjar squads for six hours*
 
If we do bring those civies into our Hell and the Vamps too for that matter we really need to put a bag over their heads and stuff their ears or something so they don't snitch.

[X] Trade him elder bodies for it (Opposed roll to decide how many)

I'm not sure I agree with trying to redeem BS. On one hand he could make a great asset down the line and we already have ghouls and vamps under our employ anyway.

On the other hand if any of those ghouls or vamps steps out of line or relapses we should be able to easily de escalate the situation or if worst comes to worst just kill them and use their remains for crafting. We can't do that with BS he's too powerful...
 
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You need to destroy the micro-processor and hard-drive it is inhabiting.
I assume crashing into the ocean will do that. They aren't inhabiting the black box, right?

Assuming the above is true, disposal won't be too hard:
1. Ask Broken Seeker to leave
2. Have clippy and "Wings of Aetheryc Spite" determine the best path to either avoid military and civilian radar or blend in with civilian air traffic while flying to the ocean
3. Use parts of the plane as a focus for questions while we are still here
4. Destroy the black boxes, just in case
5. Teleport ourselves, our captives, and our loot to our kingdom
6. "Wings of Aetheryc Spite" flies the plane into the ocean while avoiding being noticed by Mexican authorities, and picks a random spot to crash the plane
7. The plane will be obliterated on impact with the ocean.
 
You need to destroy the micro-processor and hard-drive it is inhabiting.
Doable.
Just initiate a power surge.
And water immersion would do it anyway.

YOU GUYS GAVE HIM TWO!?!?
Yes?
There was a force of around 30x lesser akuma in town, plus a greater akuma and an elder shikome.
And they'd just attacked Last Station and grabbed the Jade Dogs and a shen we were sheltering, killing Adam in the process.

We needed backup. And to make a point about what happens to people who come for us and ours.

Sure, the dude got a very good deal: we paid a hundred kay and 2x combat favors for the services of Gard, a runecaster Valkyrie and either 3x or 4x 5-man Einherjar squads for roughly six hours.
Worth the price.

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[X] Let him have them, you can afford to be generous
-[X] use the crown on them to learn where Treasures of Cuauhtémoc can be found
Adhoc vote count started by BoredMan on Sep 22, 2023 at 5:22 PM, finished with 103 posts and 18 votes.
 
Just a thought here, but how viable would making Ortega's head into a curse splendor targeted at her father be?

Typically hero's shadow requires you be close to the target, but thaumaturgy is a thing and we'd be making this hypothetical item out of his kid's head. The rules don't specify this for splendors, but I'd also hope that making something so narrow in use case would allow us make it stronger too. Prodigies definitely do this, so it's not a totally new idea.

He's a strong supernatural with a nation backing him, so the odds of it being permanently crippling are low, but we could make it really awful and expensive to deal with since splendors are congealed ancient sorcery.

If that doesn't work, as I mentioned prodigies do have an explicit dot cost per level of effectiveness reduction mechanic based around adding restrictions to an item.

Ortega's head should at least qualify for a 3 dot item, and might work for a 4 alone. Under the right conditions a 3 dot prodigy will yet you pull stuff like short hops through time, so getting 4-5 narrowly focused on screwing with him seems viable and horrifically unpleasant. There are all sorts of options here, but I favor intelligence games over something like a super stake.

I mean, we've talked in circles about how it's not really that easy to see the future and instantly predict what someone will do but wouldn't it be kind of hilarious to inflict the next best thing to that on someone else?

From a ritual symbolism standpoint one's children can be a lot of things, but a strong element is that they're pretty heavily tied to your future plans and hopes. The red king might not have been a doting father, but it's undeniable that he used Ortega to shape the future in his own image in so far as he was able to.

So what about a prodigy made from his daughter's own skull that has only one function: to assist in any attempts to divine the mind of her father solely in terms of his plans for the future.

He almost certainly has wards, but a really good focus crafted into an exalted grade item designed exclusively to fuck him over given into the hands of the greatest collection of mages on the planet* sounds like just the thing to stress test them a bit.


* Who's current leader is a warding specialist, making him uniquely suited to figuring out how to break them.
I want crafting materials people we earned them.

[X] Trade him elder bodies for it (Opposed roll to decide how many)
why are you trading them away then? Those bodies are our crafting materials, and a likely higher quality ones than the gauntlets at that.
 
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