Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

By the way I'll note its thought that without arianna the red court would of lost sooner cause strategically the old dudes are kinda idiots or at least getting senile. By killing her their strategy game is gonna get a fair bit stupider as time goes on.
 
Considering that our Shintai is actually powerful now I looked over all the charms that can allow us to get more activations. Could have saved myself the trouble it seems to be baked in design decision that you only get more activation by kill non creatures of darkness usually supernaturals. So in this setting really only by killing wizards. Or maybe fey not aligned with winter.

We really need to spread knowledge of MIS among the red Court. We can likely get so many spys among the most powerful members. Maybe even enough to organize our own coup.
 
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uh offhand what charms allow us for permanence on our signature? Cause it could be useful if we want to like say invade chichen itza or something. I wonder if that would fuck with the home territory buff the lords of the outer night get.
 
By the way I'll note its thought that without arianna the red court would of lost sooner cause strategically the old dudes are kinda idiots or at least getting senile. By killing her their strategy game is gonna get a fair bit stupider as time goes on.
Nah.
Arianna wasnt a Red Court warlord; her husband Paolo was. Paolo was the one who allegedly organized the attack on Archangel.
Thats the other reason why Ebenezer killed him, besides his threatening Dresden.

She was a Big Deal in internal Red Court politics and foreign policy/espionage/covert ops, and high up in the command structure.
Just not a war commander AFAIK.
uh offhand what charms allow us for permanence on our signature? Cause it could be useful if we want to like say invade chichen itza or something. I wonder if that would fuck with the home territory buff the lords of the outer night get.
No canonical charms.
We might make homebrew later. Not that we need it; hitting something like Chitchen Itza when the Red Court bigwigs are there just needs one or two of the 5-dot charms like World-Grinding Devastation to deal AoE damage without damaging the artifacts.

Alternatively, if we dont care about collateral, we get the weapon charm and launch nukes.
 
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Do we wanna get the red court to a soft spot where the king and most of the lords of the outer night are dead? But, enough left that they inevitably have to fight off the encroaching fomor to kill each other?
 
We dont know enough IC to have an opinion one way or the other.
This was a quick, brisk punitive strike for fucking around in Chicago in general, and with people who Molly has claimed in particular.
Not the first step in exterminating the Red Court. Yet.
 
We dont know enough IC to have an opinion one way or the other.
This was a quick, brisk punitive strike for fucking around in Chicago in general, and with people who Molly has claimed in particular.
Not the first step in exterminating the Red Court. Yet.
Well no technically all we need to do is wait for changes (doubt we'll get that far in the timeline for many many real years if I'm being honest) and do the exact same thing as canon. So we either do that or we exterminate most the top brass and let the ensuing war with the fomor and them play out.
 
Well no technically all we need to do is wait for changes (doubt we'll get that far in the timeline for many many real years if I'm being honest) and do the exact same thing as canon. So we either do that or we exterminate most the top brass and let the ensuing war with the fomor and them play out.
Changes is five years off.
I doubt we're going to tolerate them for that long.
But that doesnt mean we are going to decapitate them tomorrow.
 
Changes is five years off.
It was also Arianna's doing. Not exclusively, but in large part. And she was the only one that knew who to target with the bloodline curse. Presumably that knowledge dies with her.

Changes could possibly happen, assuming that we take no further actions that have any impact on anything, but, even with that assumption, we've likely knocked events on to a new track.
 
OK, looks like we are going to try to get blood-raging vampires to surrender.
Just Infernal things :V
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It should be literally impossible to talk down a Vampire in Frenzy, at least without magic specifically made for the task.

So I kinda expect Molly to fail here, even if she has a chance to make it work by being Exalted and having power over lesser creatures of darkness.
 
5) Arianna's death has royal political implications
Also there's the additional political dimension that canonically Arianna Ortega was trying to build enough of a power base inside the Red Court to overthrow her father by the time of Changes.

Because according to her, while she loved her father, she believed he was a blood junkie and losing control of his appetites(true) and no longer fit to lead the Red Court, and should be replaced by another Night Lord.
For the good of the Red Court.

In killing her, we did him a personal favor in securing his position.
And also prevented the potential replacement of the currently reigning Red King with a new, more effective king and war leader, thus doing the White Council a favor.

Of course, Molly doesnt know any of this IC. Yet.
Although Molly isn't aware of Arianna's political ambitions within the Red Court, it wouldn't be outside the bounds of reason for her to decide the best way to frame this attack is to make it seem like an internal dispute within the Court. Given the nature of the hit, the location (both within the Reds' territory and on a jet miles up in the atmosphere), Rampire betrayal is going to make more sense than enemy action, IMO.

With the right Crown questions, Molly might even get an idea of Arianna's intentions.

If we do discover that, and can figure out a decent way to implicate Reds in her death, the king in particular, that could cause a lot of instability within the Court.
 
If we end up with officers or agents of the Reds as prisoners, we should really get Endless Tournament Emanation. So many aspects of the war we could curse for them.
 
1)They dont have the intelligence.
While they can be certain that Arianna is dead(the Red King will know about his daughter, if nothing else) they dont know about the rest. They dont know if there are any survivors, if and where they were moved, or how to get there, or what the opposition is if they go. They are going to have to spend time gathering and confirming intelligence.

And yet people with less reasons to even search for the information can instantly know that we betrayed Broken seeker according to you, make up your mind, either everyone can know everything, or there is a possibility that things are not automatically known even by the most concerned party, you can't have both.
 
And yet people with less reasons to even search for the information can instantly know that we betrayed Broken seeker according to you, make up your mind, either everyone can know everything, or there is a possibility that things are not automatically known even by the most concerned party, you can't have both.
I get where you're coming from, dude, but you're leaning a bit too hard into hyperbole here.

The fear was never that Molly would be instantly implicated as betraying Broken Seeker, at least not so far as I understood the argument. The issue was that once the act is committed, interested beings would eventually be able to discover the details when they turned their attention toward it. The betrayal may not have been discovered or become widely known for months or even years.

That's how it is for anything regarding this sort of intel when you don't have direct witnesses or credible recordings.
 
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Arc 9 Post 30: Of Blood and Gold
Of Blood and Gold

21th of November 2006 A.D.

I have to try at least, it is that simple... and that hard. Hands sheathed in sundered idols and and skin of brass come together like thunder in the Wastes, the walls of metal ring like a bell and it is your voice they ring with. In speakers grown like strange flowers, on screens that flash first red then green, then blue finally to ultraviolet that only bat like eyes can see, a single command: "Stop!"

For his part Broken Seeker flinches at the assault of sound and light, dropping the latest victim from the larger of his three current mouths, a good thing too since that's one of the vampires who seems to be coming too. falling to the ground shivering, vestigial wing muscles twitching uncontrollably and puking rancid blood all over the floor.

"Not as though this can get to be any more of a mess," you sigh under your breath, taking the head off another vampire who instead was still trying to break through the humans in their conjured...pods. As you take a better look at it them now that you have the attention to spare you realize they look more like diesel punk sarcophagi. Not that it matters, they will be gone before everyone wakes up hopefully.

Another pair of vampires decides that trying to wrench another door open is the play, though fortunately Broken Seeker gets to them before they can compromise the integrity of the plane any harder than it already is.

"Do not move! Do not harm the others! Honorable surrenders will be accepted!" you blare out simple instructions in Spanish just in case some of them don't know English, trying to get a headcount of all the vampires who have broken free of the terror induced frenzy, no easy feat among the ruin of executive luxury that the cabin had become. In the end about half of the remaining Red Court Vampires take your offer of surrender, miserable, shivering whigs wrapped around themselves covered in blood regurgitated or otherwise, barely able to string words together.

"What are you doing?" Broken Seeker asks in the tone of someone trying, and mostly failing to hold in laughter as you gently pry the clawed hands off one vampire's ears and repeat the surrender terms.

"Taking prisoners," you hiss back, annoyed that he seems to be taking his sweet time killing the last pair who aren't in the mood for surrender. Of course he is taking his time Molly, he's naagloshii.

"You realize of course that leeches can track their progeny across land and sea and by the blood that binds them command their loyalty," he answers, voice growing thinner and sharper as his features turn first humanoid then bat-like, though far more muscular than any Red Court Vampire, even Arianna and covered in blood-red fur.

"Well it's a good thing I'm not taking them over land or sea then isn't it?" You try to moderate your tone, but that cat in the cream smirk isn't helping, nor the knowledge that the 'cream' is blood and pain "Wings of Aetheryc Spite can you get us down to breathable atmosphere levels?" you address the plane.

"Commencing."

"Great One!" you hear a voice echoing from one of the pods. "What is your will?"

In response one of the vampires hisses for them to be silent.

"Hey, hey, hey! Everyone's an equal prisoner here, until we get sorted out at least."

Gained
  • 3 Red Court Elder Corpses (7th generation equivalent)
  • Head of Arianna Ortega (6th Generation Equivalent)
  • 7 Red Court Vampire prisoners (11th generation equivalent)
Silence falls, broken only by the sound of the naagloshii eating a pack of peanuts whole with an expectant look on his face. Heedless of the look you give him he saunters over to where the body of Arianna lies in pieces and picks out the golden bracers, polishing them off with his hat. "These go together but who shall take them I wonder?"

"What are they?" you ask looking over the beautiful designs of coiled jaguars and leaping serpents.

"Treasures of Cuauhtémoc, stolen in darkness and in haste. Able to shed even divine fire as you have seen and..." He gives them a lick of his long serpentine tongue. "Able to retain the blood of of those its bearer wounds, useful for a sorceress. Alas that cannot be split."

"Wait, absorb so they have yours...?"

"I cleaned it off," the skinwalker explains as though that should have been obvious.

Excuse me for not cleaning off magical traces with my tongue I guess, you snort inwardly

Item under Consideration: Bracers of the Last Emperor

Description: Crafted with all the skill of long dead Aztec goldsmiths with the faces of serpents and jaguars intermingled in red gold these Bracers would be counted a treasure by any museum, but the magic within them is more precious still. It is a thing born of an older age when the fire of the gods burned bright and brash reforged with blood to dark purpose

Abilities:
  • Can block any attack, even aggravated damage
  • They absorb blood from any attack the bearer has shed with an unarmed attack which remains fresh for 12 days
What do you do about the bracers?

[] Try to claim them for yourself (Charisma+Intimidation opposed)

[] Trade him elder bodies for it (Opposed roll to decide how many)

[] Let him have them, you can afford to be generous

[] Write in


OOC: You guys might also what to start brainstorming what to do next since you have quite a bit to juggle between the humans, the prisoners and the plane itself.
 
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[X] Try to claim them for yourself (Charisma+Intimidation opposed)
-[X] Use excellency


We can afford to be generous, but why would we? It's both a focus, and a treasure
 
I imagine there's a hidden relationship points with Broken Seeker here.

Question @DragonParadox, is it possible to do a redemption ark for the naaglooshi?
 
I get where you're coming from, dude, but you're leaning a bit too hard into hyperbole here.

The fear was never that Molly would be instantly implicated as betraying Broken Seeker, at least not so far as I understood the argument. The issue was that once the act is committed, interested beings would eventually be able to discover the details when they turned their attention toward it. The betrayal may not have been discovered or become widely known for months or even years.

That's how it is for anything regarding this sort of intel when you don't have direct witnesses or credible recordings.

There's also this:

Chapalu had bowed low to you last night, as low perhaps as feline pride allowed, he had taken the envelope and though he quaked at the name upon it he pledged to see it passed on. Mab did not answer but her daughter did. Maeve, Lady Winter herself had pledges to hold the paths of Winter against any Intrusion that 'might' happen. According to the old malk she had not come to say so in person because she would prefer that upon second meeting she would have the chance to offer you the blood of common foes.

In order to be able to handle this Maeve either needed to move an army capable of covering that entire region into place or have a general idea of where things would be going down specifically.

We've also seen that Mab at least can see across the gauntlet when it suits her. Weaker entities have demonstrated that ability in the past (mostly information broker spirits playing spy games) so I think it's plausible the high fey either can do so themselves or have acquired servants to do it for them.

I think there's good odds Maeve is watching this with a bowl of popcorn and pouting about not getting to murder vampires with us.

Hell, we could get really unlucky and awaken some sort of screwed up shipping instinct in her. I mean, going on a private hunt against a common enemy and splitting their strength to prepare for the inevitable conflict between the two erstwhile allies is basically peak winter court romance. :V
 
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