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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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fictionfan said:
Knowledge of another prince of earth is worth more than the body. Either as a new circle mate* or as warning against a very dangerous foe.

*Exalted are so much more effective in general when there is enough of them to specialize. If we could have another reliable ally we can bring into dangerous situations that would be worth so much in action economy.

[x]plan Recipes and body for Rumor
-[x] Demonstration of TTC 2 Points
-[x] Factory Fog Recipe 3 Points
-[x] Remains of the Will of Kakuri 7 Points
-[x] He's.. heard a rumor about his lord looking for people like you and he's not in any way obligated to keep those details to himself if you make it worth his while 12 points

Or
[x]plan no deal
-[x]Politely Decline the Deal 0 Points
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Rumors aren't super valuable, and your premise about the speed booster is wrong.

The hell doesn't replace it because we don't have actual mechanics for that, and they can't provide exalted crafting anyway.

I want training instead because it's more valuable but there's a lot a value to be had in the available options.

The rumor doesn't seem worth nearly as much to me. The guy isn't going to betray Odin in his own workshop, so it's not going to be critical secrets.

Cursory side information about an effort Odin's running that this guy isn't even part of isn't worth trading away useful recipes and our second most valuable piece of loot.

Once we have the crafting charm those remains are basically the core components the exalted crafting system works with. The meat of our ability to step outside mortal crafting will be gated behind our supply of trophies like this.

[X] Knowledge for Knowledge
-[X] Sell
--[X] Demonstration of TTC 2 Points
--[X] Factory Fog Recipe 3 Points
--[X] Malcoffee Recipe 5 Points
-[X] Buy
--[X] An untraceable supply of rare metals and isotopes at market price (You still have to pay with it out of your Resources, but no one is going to ask what you need that enriched Uranium for etc..) 3 points
--[X] Training in Alchemy 6 points

[X] Knowledge for Service
 
[X] Knowledge for Knowledge
Furthermore we will be talking with Odin sooner or later since he wanted a meeting with us way before. We can just ask him then rather than rely on rumors.
 
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Frankly, I think hunting more exalts is an error from a player perspective.

We've barely gotten stable enough to play with the setting, once we rip the bandaid off the spiral toward exalted bullshit it's unlikely to stop and all the stuff we want to do instead will get sidelined.

Yeah there's all the IC stuff we've talked about, but this is still a quest/story. We have plenty of space to actually have the quest in before DP has to hit us with that bat without things becoming ridiculous.
 
fictionfan said:
Knowledge of another prince of earth is worth more than the body. Either as a new circle mate* or as warning against a very dangerous foe.
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Also where do you get "knowledge of another exalt" from? As far as I can tell at least, this is a direct continuation of this
DragonParadox said:
[] Share your wisdom regarding
-[] Where where other shards alike to the one you bear might be found 10 points (They have leads they want you to look at and help unravel)
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Odin has leads on where other exaltation shards are, not other exalts. He is looking for those, so he can have exalts loyal to himself. That's what on the table here. I was under an impression that most of the thread was not interested in searching for more shards right now.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Frankly, I think hunting more exalts is an error from a player perspective.

We've barely gotten stable enough to play with the setting, once we rip the bandaid off the spiral toward exalted bullshit it's unlikely to stop and all the stuff we want to do instead will get sidelined.

Yeah there's all the IC stuff we've talked about, but this is still a quest/story. We have plenty of space to actually have the quest in before DP has to hit us with that bat without things becoming ridiculous.
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The knowledge we would be trading for is Exalted that exist weather we know about them or not and if they exist I would much rather know about them.
Yog said:
Odin has leads on where other exaltation shards are, not other exalts. He is looking for those, so he can have exalts loyal to himself. That's what on the table here. I was under an impression that most of the thread was not interested in searching for more shards right now.
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I am absolutely interested in every Exalted in existence being known to us which is a very different thing than working to make more of them.
 
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Yog said:
That's now what is being offered from what I understand. The knowledge being offered is Odin's clues on finding other exaltation shards, not other active exalted.
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It would seem to include both unless you think that Odin wants to find Exalted shards and then never do anything with them.
 
Yog said:
That's now what is being offered from what I understand. The knowledge being offered is Odin's clues on finding other exaltation shards, not other active exalted.
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fictionfan said:
It would seem to include both unless you think that Odin wants to find Exalted shards and then never do anything with them.
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...Are we not going to talk to Odin? We don't need to give away the body to get this info at all.
 
fictionfan said:
It would seem to include both unless you think that Odin wants to find Exalted shards and then never do anything with them.
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The most plausible things Odin wants to do with them are, in order of ascending ambition:
1) Get them into his vaults / custody. As Mab shows, it's possible to hold an exaltation long-term if you know how
2) Find mortal champions loyal to him that fit an exaltation and thus obtain an Ally 5 celestial exalt
3) Study an exaltation and create celestial-tier exigents of his own in a true exalted sense
4) Imitate Yozi and integrate his charmset into an infernal exaltation to give birth to a Primordial based on his own mythos

I am betting on 1 and 2. Even 1 is worth investing a lot in, in order to deny the asset to his enemies. You don't want an abyssal in loyal service of Nicodemius Arcleone around.
 
If it's a single shard and you can track where it goes I could see just releasing and following. If the chosen is someone you can work with then you work with them. If not you kill them quickly well they are still small and repeat.
 
We might be able to use a question with our crown to get the rumor, true, but Odin's is a mind we might want to pick again and again in the future. He's one who makes it a point to be very well informed.
 
Anaja said:
We might be able to use a question with our crown to get the rumor, true, but Odin's is a mind we might want to pick again and again in the future. He's one who makes it a point to be very well informed.
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And?
He already wants to speak with us. Voting to hear rumors about him isn't going to help at all and might even be detrimental in that task.
 
fictionfan said:
The knowledge we would be trading for is Exalted that exist weather we know about them or not and if they exist I would much rather know about them.
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Rumors from a craft elf aren't going to contain a report on Odin's leads or something. This guy doesn't have access to the operation and isn't offering to sell said information to us if he did.

Your expectations should be to new for information that fits at the level of water cooler gossip that a loyal member of the organization thinks are unimportant enough not to qualify as a betrayal to share.

"Odin is talking to people in [Insert nation here]"

Kind of stuff.

The cost reflects what this particular guy thinks we'll value the opportunity at not the direct utility of the product.

If Odin had a tangible lead on a shard or an actual exalt on hand this guy sure as hell wouldn't be selling the details on it to us.
 
BronzeTongue said:
If Odin had a tangible lead on a shard or an actual exalt on hand this guy sure as hell wouldn't be selling the details on it to us.
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It's not inconceivable that Odin put this dude here in front of us, primed to reveal the rumor if we expressed any interest. Depending on how we react, that could be a decent indicator for how concerned we are that others might be found, and if we are concerned then there might be genuine cause to worry, thus confirming that others do exist after all.

Admittedly, that's a bit of twisty thinking, but Odin is known for his wisdom and cunning, so we shouldn't rule out the possibility.
 
Another thought; just how open-ended is the Elven assistance for Alchemy crafting? I mean it's helpful if we setup down in the basement and have a few of them working alongside us to halve the time needed, but what if we setup a small scale brewery with 30 or 40 Hell-sourced Alchemists? Depending on the wording of the deal, then we could end up with quite a few more Elves. What if we go even larger?
 
fictionfan said:
In this case I am firmly in the no deal camp. He isn't offering us anything.
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That is the case, the vote literally refers to it as a rumor he heard and isn't opposed to sharing.

He's not even claiming first hand knowledge, or guaranteeing that what he's sharing is accurate/still relevant:

DragonParadox said:
[] He's.. heard a rumor about his lord looking for people like you and he's not in any way obligated to keep those details to himself if you make it worth his while 12 points
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Which makes sense, because he's a craftsman who evidently isn't working on the project and a fey on top of that. It's unlikely he actually has any way to get access to juicy secrets here or that he'd be free to share them if he did.
 
You know there is a charm that lets us take people out of hell and the recharge time for that is such that we can take armies out just given weeks. The only reason we don't know if its viable is cause dp isn't sure its really designed with the idea you can have an army in the material world. Which is probably more a thing that depends on the campaign you have.

Edit: Also how you know it turns this into a whole different kind of quest. Wonder if we can eventually make custom charms to allow more time in our hell. Mind you expensive charms and ones designed for once we're essence 5 or above.
 
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You know given the population size and the general immortality of its denizens. I know it wouldn't be common per say but how rare do you think people with above 5 dots in skills would be in a population of hundreds of millions of semi immortals? Also how many dots would you imagine in the top top most skilled people in our hell would be like top 20?
 
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