Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The subsouls don't get to act freely when possessing someone, though. Usum is technically possessing us. He doesn't get ability to move our body.

Also, on further considerations, talking with Michael seems a reasonable enough compromise for now, since just telling Harry isn't going to win.

[X] Talk to Micheal about what SCE can do with denarians and Harry in particular. Ask about the potential issues with the fragment getting free and if can be contained or should be destroyed via MiM.
Yes they can. See Lash defending Dresden against the mental attack in White Night.
Lash explicitly says she's acting as a guest, not that she's incapable of doing more. They can be opposed by their hosts, which isnt the same thing.

Having Lasciel in his head has been a big bump for Dresden, for everything from language translation to seeing through veils to defense against mental attack to remembering stuff to access to Hellfire.
And Dresden is a fully trained White Council wizard who only used Lash's help sparingly.

Consider how another, less scrupulous or more desperate talent in his place would use her.
Who let an angelic subsoul give them training tailored to their abilities. Translate for them. Read books for them. Thousands or millions of years of occult training. And access to Hellfire, never forget that.

I mean, iirc, it was Word of Jim that Lash could have given Dresden the equivalent of months, if not years of time-accelerated training, in either minutes or an evening, I dont remember which.
Something like Lash is the sort of asset that turns a low-level talent into a Tier 1 threat.

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Just look at what Bob did for Butters, and Bob is just a spirit of knowledge, not a mental clone of a Fallen.
Also, on further considerations, talking with Michael seems a reasonable enough compromise for now, since just telling Harry isn't going to win.

[X] Talk to Micheal about what SCE can do with denarians and Harry in particular. Ask about the potential issues with the fragment getting free and if can be contained or should be destroyed via MiM.
Michael knows about Lasciel, but neither Molly nor Dresden know he knows.
Dresden has specifically tried to hide it from him.

I suspect that it would count as a breach of confidence to talk about this stuff without attempting to get Harry's consent or knowledge first.
And we cant get Harry's consent without being ready to move at short notice.
 
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Michael knows about Lasciel, but neither Molly nor Dresden know he knows.
Dresden has specifically tried to hide it from him.

I suspect that it would count as a breach of confidence to talk about this stuff without attempting to get Harry's consent or knowledge first.
And we cant get Harry's consent without being ready to move at short notice.
As far as I know Molly doesn't know that Harry doesn't think Michael knows. And it would be plausible from her perspective for Harry to have told him. In nothing else, Molly being an exalt, and Molly knowing likely has pushed Harry into telling Michael.

@DragonParadox - does Molly know that Harry thinks that Michael doesn't know about the coin and is trying to keep it a secret?
 
As far as I know Molly doesn't know that Harry doesn't think Michael knows. And it would be plausible from her perspective for Harry to have told him. In nothing else, Molly being an exalt, and Molly knowing likely has pushed Harry into telling Michael.

@DragonParadox - does Molly know that Harry thinks that Michael doesn't know about the coin and is trying to keep it a secret?

Unfortunately Molly has no reason to assume Harry told Michael since if he had he would have attempted to defend himself with 'your dad knows' before she showed she was fine with it.
 
As far as I know Molly doesn't know that Harry doesn't think Michael knows. And it would be plausible from her perspective for Harry to have told him. In nothing else, Molly being an exalt, and Molly knowing likely has pushed Harry into telling Michael.

@DragonParadox - does Molly know that Harry thinks that Michael doesn't know about the coin and is trying to keep it a secret?
Lash told Molly its a secret.
Arc 0 Post 14 The Devil Wears Better Than Prada
"What since he trusted someone with his secrets?" a woman's voice calls from up ahead. "Not since his first master betrayed him really. He sees it as not pushing his burdens on others, I think of it as almost breaking his back carrying it all."
Lash explicitly notes that she can lie, but that she wont lie about stuff that can be easily refuted.

In canon, I think the only persons he told about Lasciel were Bob, Billy+Georgia(in Dead Beat) and eventually Michael.
Eventually. Which was when Michael told him that he'd always known.
Thomas his brother lived in his flat for at least a year and never found out.


EDIT
Citation.
This is the scene where Harry canonically told Michael.
Its at the end of Proven Guilty, chapter 47, when they're driving back from the trial at the White Council
"Do you mind if I ask you something personal?" Michael said.
"I'm way too busy to answer rhetorical questions."
He grinned for a second and nodded. Then he pursed his lips and took his time about choosing his words. "Harry, you've avoided me for some time. And you seem… well, somewhat more dour than I've seen you before."
"I wasn't avoiding you, exactly," I said.
He regarded me with calm, steady eyes.
"All right," I said. "Yeah. But I've been avoiding most everybody. Don't take it personally."

"Is it something I've done? Or perhaps someone in my family?"
"Enough with the rhetoric. You know it isn't."
He nodded. "Then maybe it's something you've done. Maybe something you should talk about with a friend."
The fallen angel's sigil on my left palm throbbed. I started to say "no," but stopped myself. I drove for another block or two. I should tell him. I really should. Michael was my friend. He deserved my trust and respect. He deserved to know.
But I couldn't.
Then my mouth started moving, and I realized that what was bothering me the most had nothing to do with coins or fallen angels. "Last Halloween," I said quietly, "I killed two people."
He drew in a slow breath and nodded, listening.
"One of them was Cassius. Once he was beaten, I had Mouse break his neck. Another was a necromancer called Corpsetaker. I shot her in the back of the head." I swallowed. "I murdered them. I've never killed, man… not like that. Cold." I drove a while more. "I have nightmares."
I heard him sigh. For a moment, his voice was bleak. Pained. "I've been in this business longer than you have. I know some of what you're feeling."
I didn't answer him.
"You feel like nothing is ever going to be right again," he said. "You remember it perfectly, and it won't leave you alone. You feel like you're walking around with a sharp rock in your shoe. You feel stained."
Stupid damned streetlights, getting all blurry like that. I blinked a lot and stayed quiet. My throat was too tight to speak, anyway.
"I know what it's like," he said. "There isn't any way to make it disappear. But it gets better with time and distance." He studied me for a moment. "If you had it to do again, would you?"
"Twice as hard," I said at once.
"Then what you did was a necessity, Harry. It might be painful. It might haunt you. But at the end of the day, so long as you did what you believed right, you'll be able to live with yourself."
"Yeah?" I asked, chewing on my lower lip.
"I promise," he said.
I darted a glance at him. "You don't… think less of me? Knowing that I'm a murderer?"
"It isn't my place to judge what you've done. I regret that those lives were lost. That their owners never found redemption. I worry for the pain you've inflicted on yourself in retrospect. But I don't for an instant think that you would choose to take a human life unless you absolutely had to."
"Seriously?"
"I trust you," Michael said, his voice calm. "I would never have left my family in your protection if I didn't. You're a decent man, Harry."
I exhaled slowly and my shoulders loosened. "Good." And then, before my brain could get in the way, I added, "I picked up one of the Blackened Denarü, Michael. Lasciel."
My heart skipped several beats as I made the admission.
I expected shock, horror, outrage, maybe with a side order of contempt.
But instead, Michael nodded. "I know."
I blinked at him. "You what?"
"I know," he repeated.
"You know. You knew?"
"Yes. I was taking the trash around the house when Nicodemus's car went by. I saw the whole thing. I saw you protecting my youngest."
I chewed on my lip. "And… I mean, you aren't going to slug me and drag me off to a private suite in the Asylum for Wayward Denarians?"
"Don't be ridiculous," Michael said. "Remember that the Knights of the Cross were not founded to destroy the Denarians. We were founded to save them from the Fallen. It is therefore my duty to help you in whatever way I can. I can help you discard the coin if that is what you wish to do. It's best if you choose to do it yourself."
"I don't need to discard it, actually," I said. "I haven't really taken the coin up. I buried it. Never used it."
Michael looked surprised. "No? That is good news, then. Though it means that the Fallen's shadow is still attempting to persuade you, I take it?"
This time the mental chuckle was a little more clear. I thought Oh, shut up very hard and sent it in Lasciel's direction.
"Trying," I said.
"Keep in mind that Lasciel is a deceiver," he said quietly. "One with thousands of years of practice. It knows people. It knows how to tell you lies you want to believe are true. But it exists for a single purpose-to corrupt the will and beliefs of mankind. Don't ever forget that."
I shuddered. "Yeah."
"May I ask what it's told you?" He paused and narrowed his eyes. "No, wait. Let me guess. It's appeared to you as an attractive young woman. She offers you knowledge, yes? The benefit of her experience."
"Yeah." I paused and added, "And Hellfire. Makes my spells hit harder when I need them to. I try not to use it much."
Michael shook his head. "Lasciel isn't called the Temptress for nothing. She knows you. Knows what to offer you and how to offer it."
"Damn right she does." I paused a moment, then added, "It scares me sometimes."
"You've got to get rid of the coin," he said with gentle urgency.
"Love to," I said. "How?"
"Give up the coin of your own will. And set aside your power. If you do, Lasciel's shadow will dwindle with it and waste away."
"What do you mean, set aside my power?"
"Walk away from your magic," he said. "Forsake it. Forever."
"Fuck that."
He winced and looked away.

The rest of the trip to his home passed in silence. When we got there, I told Michael, "Molly's stuff is back at my place. I'd like to take her back there to get it. I need to have a talk with her, tonight, while everything is fresh. I'll have her back here in a couple of hours, tops."
Michael glanced at his sleeping daughter with a worried frown, but nodded. "Very well." He got out and shut the door, then leaned back in the window to speak to me. "May I ask you two things?"
"Shoot."
He glanced back at his house and said, "Have you ever considered the possibility that the Lord did not send me out on my most recent mission so that I could protect my daughter? That it was not His intention to use you to protect her?"
"What's your point?"
"Only that it is entirely possible, Harry Dresden, that this entire affair, beginning to end, is meant to protect you. That when I went to the aid of Luccio and her trainees, I did so not to free Molly, but to prevent you from coming to blows with the Council. That her position as your new apprentice had less to do with protecting her than it did protecting you?"

"Eh?" I said.
He glanced at his daughter. "Children have their own kind of power. When you're teaching them, protecting them, you are more than you thought you could be. More understanding, more patient, more capable, more wise. Perhaps this foster child of your power will do the same for you. Perhaps it's what she is meant to do."
"If the Lord was all that interested in helping out, how come he didn't send someone to help me against Cassius? One of old Nick's personal yes-men? Seems to be a solid rescue scenario." Michael shrugged and opened his mouth. "And don't give me any of that mysterious ways tripe." He shut his mouth and smiled. "It's a confusing sort of thing," he said.
"What is?"
"Life. I'll see you in a couple of hours." He offered me his hand. I shook it.
"I don't know of another way to end Lasciel's influence, but that doesn't mean there isn't one out there. If you should change your mind about the coin, Harry, if you want to get rid of it, I promise that I'll be there for you."
"Thank you," I said, and meant it.
His expression grew more sober. "And if you should fall to temptation. If you should embrace the Fallen or become ensnared by its will…" He touched the hilt of the great sword, and his face became bedrock granite, Old Testament determination that made Morgan's fanaticism look like a wisp of steam. "If you change. I will also be there." Fear hit me in a cold wave. Holy crap.

I swallowed, and my hands shook on the Beetle's steering wheel. There wasn't any attempt at menace in Michael's voice, or his face. He was simply stating a fact.
The mark on my palm burned, and for the first time I gave serious consideration to the notion that maybe I was overconfident of my ability to deal with Lasciel. What if Michael was right? What if I screwed something up and wound up like that poor bastard Rasmussen? A demonically supercharged serial killer?
"If that happens," I told him, and my voice was a dry whisper, "I want you to."
I could see in his eyes that he didn't like the thought any more than I did-but he was fundamentally incapable of being anything less than perfectly honest with me. He was my friend, and he was worried. If he had to do harm to me, it would rip him apart.
Maybe the words had been his own subconscious way of begging me to get rid of the coin. He could never stand aside and do nothing while bad things happened, even if meant that he had to kill his friend.
I could respect that. I understood it, because I couldn't do it, either. I couldn't stand aside, abandon my magic, and cut myself loose of the responsibility to use it for good.
Not even if it killed me.
Life can be confusing. Good God, and how. Sometimes it seems like the older I get, the more confused I become. That seems ass-backwards. I thought I was supposed to be getting wiser. Instead, I just keep getting hit over the head with my relative insignificance in the greater scheme of the universe. Confusing, life.
But it beats the hell out of the alternative.
I went back to my place. I let the kid sleep until we got there, and then touched her shoulder with one hand. She jerked awake at once, blinking in weary confusion.
The trial did not happen in this AU, and Michael did not arrive in the middle of it in this AU.
If Dresden has told Michael, which is possible, he did so at some other point in time after Molly's rescue from Arctis Tor.
And Molly has no reason to be aware of it.
 
[X] Talk to Micheal about what SCE can do with denarians and Harry in particular. Ask about the potential issues with the fragment getting free and if can be contained or should be destroyed via MiM.
 
Ok then, going back to my previous version of the vote:

[X] Share the good news with Harry, offer to get the 'kind of' Lasciel out of his head
-[X] Include mentioning that, if he's willing to wait, you'll be working on containment of the banished spirit as soon as possible
 
OK, looks like we are not telling Harry, next up school and a curious white court vampire.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Apr 19, 2023 at 11:32 AM, finished with 104 posts and 28 votes.
 
So, with this settled, I have to ask - what options do we actually have for developing containment? Emerald Circle Binding is likely insufficient for the task. Everything else requires us to combat Lash and defeat her. Hell, even the binding has that clause.
 
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So, with this settled, I have to ask - what options do we actually have for developing containment? Emerald Circle Binding is likely insufficient for the task. Everything else requires us to combat Lash and defeat her. Hell, even the binding has that clause.
Actually using Dresden files rules just making a circle should be enough.
 
If I could write, I would write an Omake in which we cast Lash out and she does the WoD-Fallen thing and takes up residence in the nearest body with a very tenous connection to its soul:
Amanda Beckitt
 
So, with this settled, I have to ask - what options do we actually have for developing containment? Emerald Circle Binding is likely insufficient for the task. Everything else requires us to combat Lash and defeat her. Hell, even the binding has that clause.
Four, off the top of my head.

Emerald Spirit Binding should work fine, and note that it doesnt mandate fisticuffs.
Social combat is an option, because the spell explicitly mentions bargaining with a spirit.
The Argent Miracle Binding spell is also an option, if you choose to bind her into a fetish.

The Exalted Crafting charm and high-level Enchantment both deserve mentions as options as well.
Anything from crafting a fetish to making her a physical body to inhabit/haunt like a person.
I mean, Emma-O has been kind enough to donate a chassis for us to examine.....

EDIT Alternatively, just spend 3XP and the appropriate roleplay for Familiar 1.

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I dont want to scupper the Bonea subplot though, because I think its a fun complication to add to Harry's life.
His brain spirit-baby by the Shadow of a Fallen Angel was a hilarious development IMO.
And a nice one to add to his list of baby mamas after Susan Rodriguez.
 
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Emerald Spirit Binding should work fine, and note that it doesnt mandate fisticuffs.
Social combat is an option, because the spell explicitly mentions bargaining with a spirit.
Doesn't work on Incarna, and we have no way to know if she's incarna level before releasing her. I am betting she is, because she should be at least a naagloshii level, ad likely higher. And yes, requires combat, because Lash wouldn't negotiate in this situation.
The Argent Miracle Binding spell is also an option, if you choose to bind her into a fetish.
Takes Fetish X 3 hours, during which she'd need to be contained. If we can contain her for 15 hours, we can contain her anyway.
The Exalted Crafting charm and high-level Enchantment both deserve mentions as options as well.
Anything from crafting a fetish to making her a physical body to inhabit/haunt like a person.
All these require her cooperation. Remember - she's an enemy. A corruptor. Especially if free and unbound. And knowing we can do this with other denarians.
EDIT Alternatively, just spend 3XP and the appropriate roleplay for Familiar 1.
110% won't work like that.
And a nice one to add to his list of baby mamas after Susan Rodriguez.
A reminder that by withholding the knowledge of the ritual from Harry, we are also barring ourselves from using it on Inari Raith, Susan Rodriguez, and basically in any situation Harry is likely to learn about or can be present for.
 
Takes Fetish X 3 hours, during which she'd need to be contained. If we can contain her for 15 hours, we can contain her anyway.
I mean a circle should be able to contain her just like it can contain most heavy hitters of the setting if done right. However circles are generally don't seem to be used for long term storage. I don't know if a mouse running over a circle will break it, but I would not rule that out.
 
Doesn't work on Incarna, and we have no way to know if she's incarna level before releasing her. I am betting she is, because she should be at least a naagloshii level, ad likely higher. And yes, requires combat, because Lash wouldn't negotiate in this situation.

Takes Fetish X 3 hours, during which she'd need to be contained. If we can contain her for 15 hours, we can contain her anyway.

110% won't work like that.

A reminder that by withholding the knowledge of the ritual from Harry, we are also barring ourselves from using it on Inari Raith, Susan Rodriguez, and basically in any situation Harry is likely to learn about or can be present for.
1)I suspect angels just are outside the conventional scale.
Lasciel is Incarna at a minimum, possibly Celestine+.
Lash however is not.


2) Dresden produced a binding circle for the Erl King, a peer of Mab, in Dead Beat, and straight up expected to be able to hold him there for the entirety of Halloween before he was ambushed and knocked out by Cowl. The Denarians were able to contain the Archive in a bigass binding circle in Small Favor.

I have no worries about being able to contain Lash for a couple hours if necessary.


3) One, a product of Exalted Crafting or high-end Enchantment does not need the cooperation of its target if its designed that way.

Two, Lasciel =/= Lash. We're not talking to the Fallen Angel, we're talking to their Shadow.
Dresden, with a human dicepool talked her into not just rebelling but committing suicide for him in canon. After we buy Empathy 5, Molly will be able to throw 18-20 dice at that negotiation, and actually offer stuff to sweeten the pot.


4)You havent actually tried. Literally Exalted diplomacy things to negotiate with spirits.

EDIT I mean, we literally had the option to steal Mab's Winter Knight at the beginning of this quest.
I see no reason to assume a sub-Incarna spirit is off the table.
And its very much in theme for Molly.


5)Inari Raith is fine
Susan Rodriguez is in no hurry either. The only person that might come up shortterm is Justine, and that requires Molly be able to see Nemesis-infection.
 
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To quote Dresden's canon convo with Lash:
The demon just stared at me.
"See, here's the thing," I said. "I know me. And I just can't imagine you talking and talking to my evil twin like that, without him ever saying anything back. I don't think you're the only one doing any influencing here. I don't think you're the same creature now that you were when you came."
She let out a cold little laugh. "Such arrogance. Do you think you could change the eternal, mortal? I was brought to life by the Word of the Almighty himself, for a purpose so complex and fundamental that you could not begin to comprehend it. You are nothing, mortal. You are a flickering spark. You will be here, and be gone, and in the aeons that come after, when your very kind have dwindled and perished, you will be but one of uncounted legions of those whom I have seduced and destroyed." Her eyes narrowed. "You. Cannot. Change. Me."
I nodded agreeably. "You're right. I can't change Lasciel. But I couldn't prevent Lasciel from walking out of the room, either." I eyed her hard and lowered my voice. "Lady, you ain't Lasciel."

I couldn't be sure, but I thought I could see the darkened form's shoulders flinch.
"You're an image of her," I continued. "A copy. A footprint. But you've got to be at least as mutable as the material the impression was made upon. As mutable as me. And hey, I've got newfound anger issues. What have you got that's new?"
"You are delusional," she said. Her voice was very quiet.
"I disagree. After all, if you have managed to change me—even if it doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to turn into Ted Bundy—then it seems to me that you'd be at least as vulnerable. In fact, the way that sort of thing works… you pretty much have to have changed yourself to do what you've done to me."
"It will vanish when I am taken back into my whole self imprisoned within the coin," Lasciel said.

"You, the you who is talking to me right now, will be gone. In other words," I said, "you'll die."
A somewhat startled silence followed.
"For an inhumanly brilliant spiritual entity, you can really miss the freaking point." I poked a finger at my own temple. "Think. Maybe you don't have to be Lasciel."

The shadow closed her eyes, leaving only an occupied, presence-filled darkness. There was a long silence.
"Think about it," I told her. "What if you do have a choice? A life of your own to lead? What if, huh? And you don't even try to choose?"
I let that sink in for a while.
There was a sound from the far side of the room.
It was a very quiet, very miserable little sound.

I've made sounds like that before—mostly when there was no one around to care. The part of me that knew what it was to hurt could feel the fallen angel's pain, and it gouged out a neat little hole in me, somehow. It was a vaguely familiar feeling, but not an entirely unpleasant one.
Most of the social work has already been done, by Dresden, over the last three years.
 
I don't think we should hold back from using this spell because Dresden might know or find out about it.

His situation is fundamentally different, in that he is not possessed or has a demon in his body/soul.
He has a copy of a demon imprinted on his own brain, one that he believes can't be removed without also removing his Magic.

We are pretty sure that our ritual would work, because Exalted don't deal with details, they work in absolutes, but that is not self-evident for him.
And even if he does consider it and asks us to exorcise Lash, we can still say that we don't really want to set a piece of a Fallen free on this world.
Harry with his martyr-mentality would propably not be too angry or dissapointed at us for protecting the world from the insides of his skull.
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Apr 19, 2023 at 11:32 AM, finished with 104 posts and 28 votes.
 
Arc 6 Post 43: Of Powers Unseen
Of Powers Unseen

6th of October 2006 A.D.

Squatting to be at eye level with a kid the better to talk to them is familiar enough, though not the part where you apologize for ripping out the only power Marcy ever had, even if it had been an illusion, sending off the only friend she thought he had and leaving her all alone in the care of strangers, but it turns out there is an another advantage to an encyclopedic knowledge of the things that howl amid the endless blizzard of the Night Realm, knowing what hooks they like to use, what promises they make most often and all the ways in which their company poisons the mind and heart.

If you had tried to be kind from the start she would have mistrusted you, but showing embarrassment at the initial failure, then feigning some interest in the plots of the now banished demon, that at least got her to listen. Then you started bribing her for information which hundred dollar bills as Father Forthil looks on with queasiness, but it does work and as you thought, hoped really the girl finally starts to talk about her last foster family. Marcy wants, needs to tell someone, but the demon had conditioned her not to trust anyone, especially not those in positions of power like a priest or a social worker

She did not get that last bit from the demon alone... As she tells it, and you have no reason to doubt her the last three years of her life have been a horror show of neglect punctuated by abuse great and small to the point where...

"Sometimes I'd break the rules so Mark would beat me 'cause then at least he'd notice I was there."

It is a good thing that you are a sensible and level headed seventeen, because if you were not you might be doing a live impression of the Punisher right now.

By the end of the three hour long conversation the two of you had become... not friends, more drowning person and lifeline, but she had agreed to let you share the recording you had made with both Father Forthil and the police on the condition that she not be send back to her last foster home.

"Marcy will stab someone in their sleep if she is sent back," you quietly inform the priest as Clippy downloads the interview onto his computer. "One does not have a demon curled up inside their soul for weeks without gaining some skills and the inclinations to go with them."

"Thank you, you are doing the Lord's work Molly," he says with a proud smile.

As you nod and take your leave it's hard to think of what you have done as anything more than fixing your own messes, just a pity the guilt over not telling Harry isn't as easy to salve. But there's just no way...

If you tell Harry and he says wait then the 'kind of Lasciel' will know she's on a timer to corrupt him, even more of a one than just the risk of him getting himself killed, which is the one fear she admitted to openly. On the other hand if Harry just wants to go ahead with it then the dark spirit will be loose in the world to work who knows what evil. It feels cold blooded as heck, but the world is probably safer with that thing inside Harry's head than out of it and if you are wrong about that... well you'll cross that bridge when you get to it, even if it does lead to an Alien City under a familiar-strange sun. The memory of that absolute command is its own comfort. Even if I had to do that to one of the Fallen in full it would work, sending them howling back into their Coin.

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8th of October 2006 A.D.

Fortunately you have more than just Harry to worry about. The next morning, a foggy Saturday of the sort that makes for D list horror movies and unsolicited advice from moms the world over to 'bundle up' even though it's not cold, it's just wet and and both of those things are boon not a hindrance to you, the perfect time to check in on the Order of the Cauldron, see how they made it though the magical DEFCOM Three .

Shaken, but otherwise fine, Olivia explains as you join her for her morning Grand Park, dodging soggy poodles, overly show off skaters and that one guy who thinks that the middle of a run is the perfect time to pick up girls, girls who are clearly talking to each other.

"Asshole," you mutter, none too softly as the guy in question stomps off to complain to his buddies.

"He probably just didn't notice me," Olivia sighs. "Happens all the time."

"Well lucky for you I'm here to help."

"What? Today?" she asks startled. "Here?"

"Longest journey, first step, fill in the blanks," you wave airily in her general direction. Then in a more serious tone: "Sometimes there really is a simple solution or at least a simple place to start and having a lot of people around should help gouge how well the stuff we can try is going."

Surprise aside she is game, but for the first hour or so all you hit are duds. Breathing exercises, yoga, mindfulness all have no impact on her power and you outright veto Usum's suggestions of 'extreme sensory stimuli', another way of saying 'torture her until she gets it right', but eventually out of sheer boredom you hit on something that works, people watching. When Olivia is focusing on other people, how they are dressed, where they might be going, what they might be thinking she gets more noticeable, at least to one who is looking on though eyes of sin and shadow...

The power to hide, which Olivia had grown so sick of is not the only magic is is capable of, it is one side of a scale and the other is... empathy or telepathy. The thought of revealing that, of having to explain the Laws, especially that one, is enough to make you hesitate. Had some early trauma stuck her power on the defensive?

No, you realize as you consider her earlier struggles with meditation. If it were internal she would at least have gotten some reaction, even if it was negative, the power curling in like a wounded beast. Which just leaves... someone intentionally messing with her magic so that she would not run afoul of the Council's Laws. No mortal wizard could have done it so seamlessly, it must have been a god, a spirit or fey.

I'm sick of this! Hiding and hoping the monsters will take someone else instead of me, never knowing which of my friends are going to have a closed casket funeral because vampire ripped out their throat or a redcap slit their throat, not even knowing if their family knows. I hate it! The words from barely a week ago come back to you full force. Turns out she has a power that isn't hiding, or she could have one at least , not all you have to do is explain the dangers of using it oh and figure out who had bound it this way.

"Earth to Molly. You want to let me in on what you're thinking?" she interrupts your thoughts

What do you do?

[] Explain that her magic has another setting, but also the Laws, the Council and why she is probably better off sticking to mental veils for now

[] Give a full accounting, including the fact that something inhuman must have bound her powers at some point in this state

[] Write in


OOC: I was getting ready to do a school update, even rolled up some background stuff and then I realized the next day was a Saturday so instead here's the Cauldron Bubble action and another wrinkle to the Olivia situation.
 
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No, you realize as you consider her earlier struggles with meditation. If it were internal she would at least have gotten some reaction, even if it was negative, the power curling in like a wounded beast. Which just leaves... someone intentionally messing with her magic so that she would not run afoul of the Council's Laws. No mortal wizard could have done it so seamlessly, it must have been a god, a spirit or fey.
Now I'm curious what would have happened if we had made her a Fomor.
A powerful being interested in her safety might have reacted there.
 
[X] Explain that her magic has another setting, but also the Laws, the Council and why she is probably better off sticking to mental veils for now.

Why can come later. For now the facts we know rather than think with a high degree of confidence but don't have details about is what she needs.
 
[X] Give a full accounting, including the fact that something inhuman must have bound her powers at some point in this state
-[X] Offer your help investigating the perpetrator

I am tempted to use the Crown to cut the middleman and just know who did this, but let's try asking first. Does she have a fairy godmother?
 
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