Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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No.
Given the discovery that Eiko isnt in overall command of this party, Eiko's interpretation doesnt matter.
She has a boss a cellphone call away. Her effective discretion is zero.
The devils or bakemono that were watching Tuzi when we approachrd her managed to get in contact with the greater akuma fast enough that less than ninety minutes passed between our meeting Tuzi at around 3.21am their starting an attack on Last Station at some time before 5am, and Jack calling us at 5am.
Cellphones are evidently something they use.
Mab was already unable to do anything to him remotely; thats why he was able to keep moving around the world.
She could shoot him in the face, but that required a face to face meeting. Similarly Mab wasnt able to do anything to Lloyd Slate remotely. MiS doesnt protect you from being physically attacked.
Chicago cops arent supernaturals.
Even though some of them might wish for tnat sort of impunity.
Devsimar is undoubtedly also aware of the story of Tashimoto Hanko. Greater akuma of Emma-O.
Who plotted rebellion right under Emma-O's nose and pulled it off.
And got away clean.
See Bella.
Knowing her darkest shame has colored our interactions with her, and made it much easier to manage her since we know what makes her tick. This would apply even more to a centuries old servitor of a Yama King.
This is the equivakent of getting a look at the personal diary of a diplomat before negotiating with them.
I cant think of any reason why we wouldnt do it.
And no, we dont need to roll both. Formality is something thats only a must when you're dealing with peers.
The powerful have the prerogative of ignoring social norms; thats why you see bosses calling people of lower status by their first name, while lower status people go with "Title" first, whether its Mister, Doctor, Lord etc.
Also worth remembering that Tashimoto Hanko was a greater akuma of Emma-O in the 13th century, who is famous for staging a raid on Emma-O's capital with the aid of some shen and at least one wizard, breaking into the treasury, seizing the receptacle supposed to contain his soul, and fleeing.
He and his accomplices have evaded pursuit for over six centuries.Thousand Hells p116-117 said:
Emma-O still has a price on his head, and yet was unable to even track him, let alone withdraw the powers tnat he'd been given.
Yama Kings are pretty powerful entities.
Yama Kings are nowhere as powerful or knowledgeable as they would like people to think in canon World of Darkness, and a lot of their power is tied to their institution and geographical are of their Hell, not personal.
This goes even more so in a ExWoD/Dresdenverse cross, where Free Will is much more rigorously enforced, and people of human ancestry can straight up defy the will of much scarier entities than YKs like Fallen Angels and free themselves by deciding to throw away a Coin. Like Sanya did at the age of 21. Or how Cassius dropped his Coin.
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I really don't like Yog's vote of presenting ourselves as "the people of Chicago." We hired so many mercenaries, and put ourselves into debt to do so, because we wanted to make a statement about the consequences of messing with our people. This is supposed to be Molly's big flex to show why she isn't someone to be trifled with. This is supposed to be about what allies and resources Molly can dig up if she feels sufficiently motivated. And it's supposed to reassure our minions by showing that messing with our minions is enough to get us "sufficiently motivated."
Yog's "people of Chicago" plan completely undermines that, and eliminates half the purpose of getting so many mercenaries and putting ourself in so much debt to make a statement about what happens to people who cross us. At that point we might as well have gotten less mercenaries and just taken them out without worrying about the message or optics at all.
Yog's "people of Chicago" plan completely undermines that, and eliminates half the purpose of getting so many mercenaries and putting ourself in so much debt to make a statement about what happens to people who cross us. At that point we might as well have gotten less mercenaries and just taken them out without worrying about the message or optics at all.
It's also sort of weird in context. They came here to start shit with us, not expand their territory or something. The message of unity is nice and all, but pretty much everyone is here because of Molly one way or another and not for some community ideal.
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[x] BronzeTongue
Anyway, changing my vote. I've decided I like this one just fine, and it has a better chance at beating Yog's, which I really don't want to win.
You misspelled it, it won't count.
Anyway, changing my vote. I've decided I like this one just fine, and it has a better chance at beating Yog's, which I really don't want to win.
Would there be strong objection to me adding IPM to my plan among the people voting for it?
I forgot to do so when I initially wrote it, and we probably should have it up from the start so we don't have a coverage gap. It's reflexive so it would likely be fine, but it wouldn't be the first time we saw an issue related to this.
Edit: autocorrect inverted the meaning of that last sentence.
I forgot to do so when I initially wrote it, and we probably should have it up from the start so we don't have a coverage gap. It's reflexive so it would likely be fine, but it wouldn't be the first time we saw an issue related to this.
Edit: autocorrect inverted the meaning of that last sentence.
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Go for it. I have no problems with it. We have at least one hostile with confirmed mind control powers there, it's a reasonable precaution.
[X] Daughters of the New Millennium
-[X] Lydia
-[X] Gard
-[X] Have the rest set up to cover the exits and come in after us at a signal from Clippy.
-[X] Use Intimidation excellency.
-[X] Activate IPM with willpower
-[X] Lydia uses Manipulation excellency.
-[X] Stunt: Stepping into the lobby Molly nods at Gard, sending her to manage the mortals before catching up.
—[X] Taking the stairs, Molly and Lydia move unerringly towards Eiko's room. As they make the final approach Molly takes a deep breath, and loosens her grip on the quiet fury that has been building behind her heart.
—[X] With each step the shadows sharpen without deepening as the lights seem to flicker green in the corner of the eye. Around them air seems to thicken, charged with the silent tension of the calm before a storm.
—[X] As they reach the door something like the caw of a raven lingers on the ear despite the dead silence of the hall.
—[X] "I received your letter Lady Eiko, now I think it's time we discuss my reply"
-[X] Lydia
-[X] Gard
-[X] Have the rest set up to cover the exits and come in after us at a signal from Clippy.
-[X] Use Intimidation excellency.
-[X] Activate IPM with willpower
-[X] Lydia uses Manipulation excellency.
-[X] Stunt: Stepping into the lobby Molly nods at Gard, sending her to manage the mortals before catching up.
—[X] Taking the stairs, Molly and Lydia move unerringly towards Eiko's room. As they make the final approach Molly takes a deep breath, and loosens her grip on the quiet fury that has been building behind her heart.
—[X] With each step the shadows sharpen without deepening as the lights seem to flicker green in the corner of the eye. Around them air seems to thicken, charged with the silent tension of the calm before a storm.
—[X] As they reach the door something like the caw of a raven lingers on the ear despite the dead silence of the hall.
—[X] "I received your letter Lady Eiko, now I think it's time we discuss my reply"
It is community ideal though, isn't it? They came to mess with one of the community. Killed other, arguably lesser members of it. So the members of community unite and kick them in the teeth. Molly is the reason they are here, but the damage isn't only to her. At the very least, and regardless of Molly's involvement, they have infringed upon Dresden's jurisdiction, as Warden Commander of White Council by messing with human practitioners, Murphy's jurisdiction by killing USA citizens. They have arguably messed with Michael (they are forces of hell, and his mission is to stop them). The only people here that are here only because of Molly are Lydia, Gard and possibly brother Divsimar (damn it, I just can't memorize his name).
I agree that it's weird though. I like your vote. Moreover, I think it has higher chances of success in getting Eiko to bend the knee.
Also, I kinda think that we might have the situation wrong here. Eiko might be the loyalist leader, and Greater Akuma might be the rebel. Why? Because they are the ones with "exalt to be" J.
Yes, they must have a plan, that's what I'm saying.
If they've found a loophole in their orders we need to know what it is to also exploit it. If we don't know it would be very easy to simply blunder into one of them as make it impossible for me to defect.
This entire argument is because I've said we need to use the Crown to find out what their plan or those orders are so we can tailor our approach to fit it.
Hence why we need to ask why the plan is!
We're going in blind for no good reason and could easily screw things up.
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Nobody here knew about what the Akuma were doing until we told them, and more than half probably wouldn't have acted if it stayed at normal predation levels.
Micheal doesn't patrol for vampire shit, Dresden only notices if you put on your big boy serial killer pants or off someone he cares about, Devisimar doesn't do this sort of thing in this town, Lydia's still a kid, and Gard is a mercenary.
The only person here who'd be on the case without another 4 bodies, sheer coincidence, or active recruitment is Murphy.
I am not opposed to adding the question if people who voted for me don't mind.
I think the idea is to use the Crown to make sure you do not step on any landmines trying to get her to cooperate. Not weighing in one way or the other, just explaining the reasoning as I understand it
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[X] Daughters of the New Millennium
-[X] Lydia
-[X] Gard
-[X] Have the rest set up to cover the exits and come in after us at a signal from Clippy.
-[X] Use Intimidation excellency.
-[X] Activate IPM with willpower
-[X] Lydia uses Manipulation excellency.
-[X] Stunt: Stepping into the lobby Molly nods at Gard, sending her to manage the mortals before catching up.
—[X] Taking the stairs, Molly and Lydia move unerringly towards Eiko's room. As they make the final approach Molly takes a deep breath, and loosens her grip on the quiet fury that has been building behind her heart.
—[X] With each step the shadows sharpen without deepening as the lights seem to flicker green in the corner of the eye. Around them air seems to thicken, charged with the silent tension of the calm before a storm.
—[X] As they reach the door something like the caw of a raven lingers on the ear despite the dead silence of the hall.
—[X] "I received your letter Lady Eiko, now I think it's time we discuss my reply"
I like the aesthetic, to be honest. It seems like it will make an epic scene that I want to see.
-[X] Lydia
-[X] Gard
-[X] Have the rest set up to cover the exits and come in after us at a signal from Clippy.
-[X] Use Intimidation excellency.
-[X] Activate IPM with willpower
-[X] Lydia uses Manipulation excellency.
-[X] Stunt: Stepping into the lobby Molly nods at Gard, sending her to manage the mortals before catching up.
—[X] Taking the stairs, Molly and Lydia move unerringly towards Eiko's room. As they make the final approach Molly takes a deep breath, and loosens her grip on the quiet fury that has been building behind her heart.
—[X] With each step the shadows sharpen without deepening as the lights seem to flicker green in the corner of the eye. Around them air seems to thicken, charged with the silent tension of the calm before a storm.
—[X] As they reach the door something like the caw of a raven lingers on the ear despite the dead silence of the hall.
—[X] "I received your letter Lady Eiko, now I think it's time we discuss my reply"
I like the aesthetic, to be honest. It seems like it will make an epic scene that I want to see.
Ok, I think I'll exercise the trust given me by others
[X] Everyone (save the unnamed mooks)
-[X] Molly uses Etiquette and Empathy excellencies
-[X] Molly uses All Things Betray using willpower
-[X] Use the Crown on an image of Lady Eiko to learn her plan to betray the Will
-[X] Lydia uses Manipulation excellency.
--[X] Wan kuei are here for and because of you, but that does not matter. They are here. In Chicago. Messing with its leylines, killing the people living in and below its streets. This is not only about you now. It's about everyone who lives here. And so, as you step out of the elevator, and into the corridor leading to lady Eiko's room, you are accompanied not just by your allies and mercenaries you were able to hire, but also by the representatives of Chicago. To your right walk mortals who are not to be underestimatid: the Warden Commander of the White Council, the Shih Master, and the commanding officer of the Chicago's special investigations department. To your left, are those who wield or are the powers beyond mortal ken: daughter of the god of death, a valkyrie, and the Knight of the Cross.
@BronzeTongue adding a question makes sense - if we get Eiko to flip we recover 2 essence points. That should be enough to afford one crown question. And we might even get 2 from the question itself.
[X] Everyone (save the unnamed mooks)
-[X] Molly uses Etiquette and Empathy excellencies
-[X] Molly uses All Things Betray using willpower
-[X] Use the Crown on an image of Lady Eiko to learn her plan to betray the Will
-[X] Lydia uses Manipulation excellency.
--[X] Wan kuei are here for and because of you, but that does not matter. They are here. In Chicago. Messing with its leylines, killing the people living in and below its streets. This is not only about you now. It's about everyone who lives here. And so, as you step out of the elevator, and into the corridor leading to lady Eiko's room, you are accompanied not just by your allies and mercenaries you were able to hire, but also by the representatives of Chicago. To your right walk mortals who are not to be underestimatid: the Warden Commander of the White Council, the Shih Master, and the commanding officer of the Chicago's special investigations department. To your left, are those who wield or are the powers beyond mortal ken: daughter of the god of death, a valkyrie, and the Knight of the Cross.
@BronzeTongue adding a question makes sense - if we get Eiko to flip we recover 2 essence points. That should be enough to afford one crown question. And we might even get 2 from the question itself.
The issue is that if we take the wrong approach we may easily walk into one of the unbreakable orders that Lady Eiko is operating under.
Say she has a standing order to act in the best interests of Emma-O but has convinced herself that not having an unreliable servant like her is that. If we word her defection the wrong way she may not be able to convince herself that the loss of face of her defecting in front of so many people doesn't override that concern.
We really need to know the constraints she's operating under so we don't run into an order she cannot break,
And the orders/plan is very likely a supernatural secret so would be essence positive.
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