It sounds like it since the only terms are that we'd show up and return the favor they're doing for us.
He probably wouldn't be that overt about it, but he could.
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He probably wouldn't be that overt about it, but he could.
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Well that's one more reason to keep to brass tacks or even do no deal. We aren't that desperate.
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Aye, and he might well consider it an opportunity to gain more power… how subordinate is he to Mab in this role? Could Mab order him to do leave us out to dry against a dangerous foe, with the intent that we perish in battle?
Also, there wouldn't be anything stopping him reverse-engineering whatever we give him, replicating it himself, or even using it against us if it came to that?
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Did we ever get expected numbers for how many weapons and vehicles Odin expects us to craft in return for those points? I'm sure it's a finite number, but there's a big difference between a dozen weapons and a thousand, two vehicles and a hundred, etc.
It's not that subordinate; it seems more like a sphere of influence thing, and even that is more as Kringle than as Odin.
She could pressure him, but Odin isn't the type you screw around with if you don't have to. If Mab wanted to make a play like that she'd probably just make a very enticing offer to sell the debt and then pocket it until she has an opportunity to maximize her return.
I'd be more concerned about him using it to test us, dragging us into something that follows us home, or obligates us to support someone we hate.
See Dresden working for Nicodemus that one time.
I'm sure we'd have a great time if he seconded it to Gard because she made the sale and we end up working security for Marcone for example.
Naagloshii Intellectus means that it knows how to hurt you. Not necessarily how to kill you, iirc, but certainly your vulnerabilities; it doesnt have to do research and hire spies, it just knows. In an information-dependent setting like the Dresdenverse, thats huge. In a fusion setting, its still a major advantage. There's a reason I rate them higher.
Naagloshii are explicitly vulnerable to shaman of the Blood who know the Blessing Way, whatever that is.
So a two-bit dude with spindly arms could banish them where powerful wizards and vampires would fail. Just like iron can protect you against powerful fae under the right conditions. Them's the breaks.
Im aware of the events of Bangladesh.
Bodhisattva are not Antediluvian-equivalents as far as I know; Arhats might be, but textev around Zaulot/Saulot suggests they are better, and we never really see them onscreen anyway.
Nevertheless, this is ExWoD, not vanilla WoD.
The suggested statblocks for Antdediluvians are in the book; they're fucking scary, but not eat a country scary.
Certainly not in the Dresdenverse, where vampires are not top of the food chain.
1)Your math appears to be off.
Bodhisattva are Dharma 9, arhats are 10. A bodhisattva rolling Stamina 5 + Occult 5 at DC7 would average 5 successes, which would translate to 45 Agg. Whether soakable or not depends on who its aimed at; defence has primacy, if I recall the rules correctly.
This assumes it was used, which is not guaranteed ; the bodhisattvas that fought Zapathusra brought an army of allies with them, that they presumably didnt want to kill.
2)Correct me if Im wrong, but dont kuejin have a chi pool cap of 10?
When they are in Demon Shintai, they are running an overdrive for Demon Chi and actively generating more, but they cant use most other abilities besides Black Wind in that state.
3)Naagloshii, because they would count as spirits, would explicitly ignore this ability. So would ghosts and demons, even though most of them are weaker than a bodhisattva. Dresdenverse loup garou would shake it off.
There's a fair bit of rock-paper-scissors going on here.
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Bro, naagloshii has lost everytime its mentioned in the book.
Listens to the wind beat it, that warden beat it, theres literally multiple of them trapped in demon reach.
Its not a big deal. Like its a miniboss at best.
And it doesn't matter if you know the weakeness of something, if they can turn you into salsa with a strike.
1)It was characterized as semi-divine. Whatever the Holy People were supposed to be, they werent Dresdenverse gods.
Gods had jurisdiction on Earth until a couple thousand years ago; the Holy People came to teach, and left after teaching.
We arent talking Valks here.
2)No, the Valkyrie dont have intellectus.
Intellectus is something else, and it is a very big deal in this setting.
- I took a deep breath and told him about the hidden trail, the hornets, and the skunk.
- Morgan sat up in his bunk by the time I got to the end. He leaned forward intently. "You're sure you aren't mistaken? Confrontations with a genius loci can leave odd aftereffects behind."
- "Hang on," I said.
- I went back to the woods where I knew the hornets were, and found their nest in short order. I retreated without crushing anything and went back to the boat.
- "Yeah," I said. "I'm sure."
- Morgan sank back onto the bunk as if he was being slowly deflated. "Merciful God," he said. "Intellectus."
- I felt my eyebrows go up. "You're kidding."
- Molly muttered a couple of candles to light so that we could see each other clearly. "Intell-whatsis?" she asked me.
- "Intellectus," I said. "Um. It's a mode of existence for a very few rare and powerful supernatural beings-angels have it. I'm willing to bet old Mother Winter and Mother Summer have it. For beings with intellectus, all reality exists in one piece, one place, one moment, and they can look at the whole thing. They don't seek or acquire knowledge. They just know things. They see the entire picture."
- "I'm not sure I get that," Molly said.
- Morgan spoke. "A being with intellectus does not understand, for example, how to derive a complex calculus equation-because it doesn't need the process. If you showed him a problem and an equation, he would simply understand it and skip straight to the answer without need to think through the logical stages of solving the problem."
- "It's omniscient?" Molly asked, her eyes wide.
- Morgan shook his head. "Not the same thing. The being with intellectus has to be focused on something via consideration in order to know it, whereas an omniscient being knows all things at all times."
- "Isn't that pretty close?" Molly asked.
- "Intellectus wouldn't save you from an assassin's bullet if you didn't know someone wanted to kill you in the first place," I said. "To know it was coming, you'd first need to consider the question of whether or not an assassin might be lurking in a dark doorway or on top of a bell tower."
- Morgan grunted agreement. "And since beings of intellectus so rarely understand broader ideas of cause and effect, they can be unlikely to realize that a given event might be an indicator of an upcoming assassination attempt." He turned to me. "Though that's a terrible metaphor, Dresden. Most beings like that are immortal. They'd be hard-pressed to notice bullets, much less feel threatened by them."
- "So," Molly said, nodding, "it might be able to know anything it wants to know-but it still has to ask the right questions. Which is always harder than people think it is."
- "Yeah," I said. "Exactly."
- "And now you've got this intellectus, too?"
- I shook my head. "It's Demonreach that has it. It stopped when I got out over the water." I tapped my finger against my forehead. "I've got nothing going on in here at the moment."
- I realized what I had said just as the last word left my mouth, and glanced at Morgan.
- He lay on the bunk with his eyes closed. His mouth was turned up in small smile. "Too easy."
- Molly fought not to grin.
- Morgan pursed his lips thoughtfully. "Can the entity feed you any other information, Dresden? The identities of those behind LaFortier's murder, for example."
- I almost hit myself in the head with the heel of my hand. I should have thought of that already. "I'll let you know," I said, and went back to the shore.
- Demonreach sensed me at the same time as I perceived it, and the mutual sensation felt oddly like a hand wave of acknowledgment. I frowned thoughtfully and looked around the island, concentrating on the issue of LaFortier's killer.
- Nothing sprang to mind. I tried half a dozen other things. Who was going to win the next World Series? Could I get the Blue Beetle out of impound yet? How many books had Mister knocked off my shelves in my absence?
- Zip.
- So I thought about hornet's nests, and instantly felt certain that there were thirty-two of them spread around the hundred and fifty or so acres of the island, and that they were especially thick near the grove of apple trees on the island's northern side.
- I went back to the boat and reported.
- "Then it only exists upon the island itself," Morgun rumbled, "like any other genius loci. This one must be bloody ancient to have attained a state of intellectus, even if it is limited to its own shorelines."
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3)The actual similarity I saw was to Yama Kings.
Like Yama Kings, they grow stronger by consuming external power, only for them its a permanent powerup instead of just a buff that goes away if the connection is cut. Like Yama Kings, they get weaker outside a geographical area, but they(allegedly) lose power gradually instead of abruptly.
Duchess Arianna Ortega was a Red Court Elder, just below the Lords of Outer Night, and a candidate if a spot opened up. Shagnasty would have eaten her liver with fava beans and a nice Chianti.
Lara Raith is an Elder. We dont know precisely how old she is, but we do know she is old enough to have seen Luccio in her youth in Italy. Nowhere as old as her father, of course, or anywhere as powerful as he was in his prime, and I have no idea how the QM will choose to handle her here.
How to hurt you, not how to torture you. Torture was just one application, admittedly a favored one. Knowing how to hurt a person has all sorts of combat applications, especially given how wound penalties affect most people.
Its fortunate that naagloshii generally avoid peer engagements.
I suspect that the dude who bulled through the defenses of the White King's Chicago residence is much scarier than you suspect; as in, forget the security team and the Whampires he kicked the shit out of, and consider what the occult defenses around the home of a dude who bargained for antimagic defenses from an Outsider looked like.
And Lara is a Venator to boot.
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Yeah I'm convinced its worth our time to really crush this force after messing up protecting the ghouls et al so badly.
Yeah I'm convinced its worth our time to really crush this force after messing up protecting the ghouls et al so badly.
1)The first time we see the Einherjar in canon, they were performing a combat extraction of Dresden, Ramirez, the Raith House nobility and a whole passel of human thralls from the Raith Deeps in the teeth of an attack of uberghouls and an unknown wizard at the climax of White Night. Dresden explicitly recognizes some of them in Changes chapter 21 when he visits Odin at home.
They are precisely experienced at this sort of operation where necessary.
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2)For one thing, stuff we make says nothing about how we function.
Furthermore, as far as we know, Odin has no reason to believe that Molly's artifice works any different from that of any other magical craftsman, besides being much higher quality. That was true as of Gard's Interlude, when we saw her report to Marcone .
Molly doesnt have Exalted Crafting yet.
And if staring at artifice revealed the secrets of the crafter, the svartalfar would not have the reputation for doing business with the Norse pantheon. Or with anyone, really. What makes Molly special is that she is apparently able to build modern gear to supernatural standards. Like we did in front of Gard with the EMP bombs.
I expect him to gather as much intel as he can without giving offense; he is an information broker.
But he isnt going to burn a relationship with someone
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3)I agree that their value systems are different. Thats why things like weregild are considered acceptable ways of officially settling disputes, or expiating for the deaths of others. But that actually plays to our benefit here. A lot of things here happen on trust, because there are few if any legally enforceable options if the other guy chooses to screw you.
I mean, reputation matters, even for outright villains.
One of the goals of Mab's revenge in Skin Game was to destroy Nicodemus Archleone's reputation for keeping his word, which helped break his power. The quote is:
Mab was inside, seated at one end of the table, her expression distant and implacable, her back ramrod-straight. Her dress and her hair were both pitch-black, as were her eyes, all the way across her sclera. She was here, then, in her aspect of Judgment.
People die when Mab shows up in black. The last time I'd seen her in that outfit, two Faerie Queens had bled out onto the soil of Demonreach.
Seated at her right hand, wearing a charcoal-grey suit, was Gentleman Johnnie Marcone, Baron of Chicago under the Unseelie Accords-and made so, at least in part, by my own signature. There might have been slightly more silver at his temples than the last time I'd seen him, but it only made him look more distinguished. Otherwise, he looked exactly as he always did: calm, alert, impeccably groomed, and as merciful as a lawn mower's blade.
"You could have told me from the beginning," I said to Mab.
She regarded me with flat black eyes and tilted her head, a curiously birdlike gesture.
"You were balancing the scales with Nicodemus," I said. "But it was never about paying back a favor. And it wasn't about foiling his scheme. This was full-scale political vengeance."
Very, very slowly, Mab lifted her hands and placed them flat on the table in front of her. Her nails were black and looked sharp enough to slice silk.
"You set Nicodemus up from the very beginning," I said. "You, Hades, and Marcone."
Marcone tilted his head from one side to the other and said nothing.
"It's the only thing that makes sense," I said. "Why you sent Molly away-because she'd have known you were up to something. Why the plans to Marcone's vault were available. Why the bodies got cleaned up, and why the cops didn't crawl all over this thing when it was done. Hell, they're probably spinning the shoot-out and the explosions as some kind of terrorist attack. And I'll bet you anything that the squires found themselves offered a new job, now that their demigod has fallen from grace. Right?"
A ghost of a smile haunted Marcone's lips.
"Nicodemus violated your Accords," I said to Mab. "He kidnapped Marcone. He abducted the emissary appointed under the Accords. This was your payback. You arranged for him to get the details about Hades' vault." I turned to Marcone. "You built your vault specifically to create the link so that a Way could be opened there. All so you could set Nicodemus up, years after he wronged you both." I met Mab's unwavering gaze and said, "And you dealt him the worst pain you could imagine. You took away his daughter. No, you did even worse-you made him do it himself."
Neither of them said anything.
But Mab's raven black nails sank a fraction of an inch into the wood of the table, and her void black eyes glittered.
"Now he's lost his lieutenant," I continued. "He's lost his squires. When word gets out of his treachery, he'll lose his name. No one will want to work with him. No one will deal with him. From where you're standing, you've done worse than kill him. You've wounded him, strangled his power, and left him to suffer."
A long moment of silence passed.
I turned to Marcone. "And what did you get out of it? You got to build the vault, and to secure the clientele who use it. My money says that Hades was your first depositor. That when he made that gesture of trust in you, others followed his example-and that now you're holding in trust a treasure trove like none in the supernatural world. And if you got a little payback on Nicodemus as a side effect of that, you didn't mind it at all. And you'll have plenty of money to pay to have him hounded down, now that he's been weakened."
Marcone's eyes, the exact green shade of old dollar bills, focused pleasantly on me. Still, he said nothing.
Then Mab finally spoke, her voice sepulchral. "Do you have a point, my Knight?"
"I wanted you to know that I knew," I said. Then I turned to Marcone. "There were people involved in the robbery. People who aren't otherwise involved in this affair."
"People who violated my territory, nonetheless," Marcone said quietly.
People die when Mab shows up in black. The last time I'd seen her in that outfit, two Faerie Queens had bled out onto the soil of Demonreach.
Seated at her right hand, wearing a charcoal-grey suit, was Gentleman Johnnie Marcone, Baron of Chicago under the Unseelie Accords-and made so, at least in part, by my own signature. There might have been slightly more silver at his temples than the last time I'd seen him, but it only made him look more distinguished. Otherwise, he looked exactly as he always did: calm, alert, impeccably groomed, and as merciful as a lawn mower's blade.
"You could have told me from the beginning," I said to Mab.
She regarded me with flat black eyes and tilted her head, a curiously birdlike gesture.
"You were balancing the scales with Nicodemus," I said. "But it was never about paying back a favor. And it wasn't about foiling his scheme. This was full-scale political vengeance."
Very, very slowly, Mab lifted her hands and placed them flat on the table in front of her. Her nails were black and looked sharp enough to slice silk.
"You set Nicodemus up from the very beginning," I said. "You, Hades, and Marcone."
Marcone tilted his head from one side to the other and said nothing.
"It's the only thing that makes sense," I said. "Why you sent Molly away-because she'd have known you were up to something. Why the plans to Marcone's vault were available. Why the bodies got cleaned up, and why the cops didn't crawl all over this thing when it was done. Hell, they're probably spinning the shoot-out and the explosions as some kind of terrorist attack. And I'll bet you anything that the squires found themselves offered a new job, now that their demigod has fallen from grace. Right?"
A ghost of a smile haunted Marcone's lips.
"Nicodemus violated your Accords," I said to Mab. "He kidnapped Marcone. He abducted the emissary appointed under the Accords. This was your payback. You arranged for him to get the details about Hades' vault." I turned to Marcone. "You built your vault specifically to create the link so that a Way could be opened there. All so you could set Nicodemus up, years after he wronged you both." I met Mab's unwavering gaze and said, "And you dealt him the worst pain you could imagine. You took away his daughter. No, you did even worse-you made him do it himself."
Neither of them said anything.
But Mab's raven black nails sank a fraction of an inch into the wood of the table, and her void black eyes glittered.
"Now he's lost his lieutenant," I continued. "He's lost his squires. When word gets out of his treachery, he'll lose his name. No one will want to work with him. No one will deal with him. From where you're standing, you've done worse than kill him. You've wounded him, strangled his power, and left him to suffer."
A long moment of silence passed.
I turned to Marcone. "And what did you get out of it? You got to build the vault, and to secure the clientele who use it. My money says that Hades was your first depositor. That when he made that gesture of trust in you, others followed his example-and that now you're holding in trust a treasure trove like none in the supernatural world. And if you got a little payback on Nicodemus as a side effect of that, you didn't mind it at all. And you'll have plenty of money to pay to have him hounded down, now that he's been weakened."
Marcone's eyes, the exact green shade of old dollar bills, focused pleasantly on me. Still, he said nothing.
Then Mab finally spoke, her voice sepulchral. "Do you have a point, my Knight?"
"I wanted you to know that I knew," I said. Then I turned to Marcone. "There were people involved in the robbery. People who aren't otherwise involved in this affair."
"People who violated my territory, nonetheless," Marcone said quietly.
Odin's reputation for fair dealing is a foundational aspect of how he does business. Thats why even enemies like Ethniu show respect. Dude isnt going to wreck a four thousand year old reputation because of one Infernal.
We're a very Big Deal and will grow bigger yet, but we arent a bankrupt yourself problem .
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4)The counter argument is that its instructive to see how a person treats you when they think you have insufficient power or influence to react to being treated badly.
As opposed to showing up as head of state of a nation.
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—[X] The aid of one of Odin's valkyries, the Choosers of the Slain who have walked battlefields uncounted (Can be chosen up to seven times)
-[X] A rune-caster 2 points
[X]Plan Green fire
-[x]Money 2 Point (1 Base +1 From Legenday Social Roll Success)
-[X] Share your wisdom regarding
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-[x] The aid of one of Odin's valkyries, the Choosers of the Slain who have walked battlefields uncounted (Can be chosen up to seven times)
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—[X] Money 2 points
-[X] Receive:
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-[X] A rune-caster 2 points
[X]Plan Green fire
-[x]Money 2 Point (1 Base +1 From Legenday Social Roll Success)
-[X] Share your wisdom regarding
--[X] The flame that burns upon your blade 3 points
-[x] The aid of one of Odin's valkyries, the Choosers of the Slain who have walked battlefields uncounted (Can be chosen up to seven times)
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No. We are negotiating with Donar Vadderung, CEO of Monoc Securities for the use of some of his employees.
Kris Kringle, Santa Claus and a Winter King, is a different legal entity.
Its explicitly stated that Mab can summon and make requests of Kringle, but not of Vadderung.
Neither Kringle nor Vadderung rule or command winter fae. We've never seen it happen in canon.
There is no evidence that Odin Allfather knows about our Kingdom.
This reads as classic "can seek sanctuary " and "can have free passage" provisions, amounting to automatic guest right. It isnt unrestricted, and does not mean that that they can wander at will through places that we control.
There's a reason its worth only 3 points, same as Molly's intervention on a battlefield ONCE.
No offense, but you do realize that there are other reasons for seeking Exaltations?
Like denying them to the Yama Kings who have been recorded to attempt to use Exaltations as weapons in this quest?
Isnt that literally how Mab's forces captured Usum's shard, when Emma-O's forces tried to wield it against Winter?
Arent we literally dealing with a YK attempt to recover our Exaltation?
Isnt it literally quest backstory that Winter's reaction to recovering Usum's shard was to bury it and sit on it for hundreds of years?
The fact that you think he can arrange a host for an Exaltation is kinda wild. Thats never been how Exaltations work.
Im not arguing that Odin is some altruist, or that we should give the dude a blank check, but these are arguments that ignore his backstory in the setting and his own self-interest.
Again, reputation is currency in this universe.
Who is going to work for you, and do business with you, if they think you are going to dump them in trouble and bail?
Remember that Nicodemus has been a bad, bad man for two thousand years.
And yet it was treachery against people who he hired that destroyed Nicodemus' reputation and his ability to operate in the supernatural world after Skin Game.
How? Two different Yomi Hells held Usum for hundreds of years and couldnt do it.
Winter's reaction to coming into possession of an Infernal shard was to bury it in Arctis Tor, the most secure spot in Winter, away from mortals and anyone who might try to use it.
Do you have any reason to believe Odin's intentions are any different?
Mab cant give him orders. Cant compel him. Word of Jim.
We are being asked to make cars and magic weapons.
Odin was the person responsible for teaching the original Merlin magic. Magic crafting is not in his portfolio. It wasnt in the portfolio of the old Norse pantheon either; they went to the dwarves for their crafting in Norse mythology.
Nicodemus has lost every time he showed up in the books.
So has Cowl.
It doesnt make any of them any less dangerous.
You're literally saying this after the Arawn affair where Kattrin et al tried to eat someone stronger than them because they knew his weaknesses. Where Dresden killed a Faerie Queen in Summer Knight because he knew her weakness. And destroyed the White King in Blood Rites because he figured out his weakness. And almost killed Nicodemus, not once but twice, by figuring out his weakness.
Knowing a person's weakness has repeatedly been demonstrated in this setting to be a very big lever.
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No, thats the starborn thing that dresden has.
There is a reason i didn't mention him, he wasn't the one the beat them. Those were just mortal wizards.
Yeah, those people could have killed dresden a billion times over if the protagnist plot armour isn't there. Like in those many many fight he barely survived by the skin of his teeth, he should have died many times.
A naagloshii doesn't get thay benefits.
Knowing a persons weakness is meaningless when the weakness is things like stab with a stake or metal. Thats just combat and it is massively outclassed there.
1)Mab is an antagonist, not an enemy.
We arent enemies yet, and might well be allies on a lot of things where our interests coincide, like keeping reality alive, and stopping random supernatural assholes from fucking up human society, and keeping the Yama Kings out of Chicago.
2)Odin does not work for Mab, at least not in most of his identities, of which we know 4.
Thats two.2012 Reddit AMA said:
There's a third WoG that is somewhat at variance, both with this, and Odin's own words in Skin Game, but I dont have it at the moment.
You are mistaken.
Starborn status applies to power over Outsider affairs.
It means nothing when he's clashed with Denarians.
Dresden is not the only Starborn we've seen in the series, after all.
Thats true of literally every book.
I fail to see your point.
This is wrong.
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Valkyries are minor goddesses:
I don't understand why you think Holy People weren't' gods. They fit pretty well within the paradigm. And a naagloshii was their servitor. Semi-divine means "somewhat divine, but not fully". A being between full divinity and mortality. Like an ancestral spirit or, well, a valkyirie.
Those same characteristics apply to Katrina Holt. Well, not "grows weaker outside her territory", but that only made Katrina stronger in comparison. Yama Kings have their own realms of existence, extensive nets of servitors, and a place in cosmological order. Naagloshii is at the bottom of his pantheon's totem pole, and essentially an errand boy.
You are overhyping naagloshii to high heaven and, as always, it's useless trying to convince you otherwise.
The deal is for "those who serve the One-Eye". That's a more broad category. He still has one eye in all his mantles. And you are dodging the point - he is entirely willing to screw us over because he thinks he got us over the barrel. That's not someone willing to trade fairly in order to establish long-term positive relationship with us. That's someone who is, very explicitely, trying to get as much out of us as he can, and screw the long term consequences. And he thinks we would do the same to him in a similar situation.
Thus, as is my main point, we shouldn't take any obligations that could be used to further screw us over. Because everything that can be used to screw us over, will be used in this manner.
It says so directly in the text of the vote option:
Yes, and that reason is "Odin knows more than we do, and is trying to screw us over, negotiating from a position of strength".
It's essentially open borders and diplomatic immunity all rolled into one. Hell, by the text of it, it's us waiving threshold protections against his servants.
I ignore nothing. And as to it being wild that he can arrange a host for an exaltation? AKuma with two weeks prep seem to be doing a fine job of it so far. Odin with a couple of years of preparation? Is almost guaranteed to succeed.
EDIT: When, as a result of helping him in a fight, we end up with something like 'Enemy: Erlking 3 dots" background or something similar, I'll sit here and weep.
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The keui jin weakness is indead things like getting stabbed with wood and stuff. Its vampire weakness but there is nothing that would make them powerless, just allow you to actually hurt them. They will still kill the naagloshii well before it ever becomes a problem.
You can call it plot armour dresden in case of the starborn thing i was mentioning. He is the protag he gets to punch beyond his weight. Thats why his actions don't invalidate the strength of nico and cowl.
While the naagloshii lost to people that are not dresden, who don't have plot armour.
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'God' in the broad sense is not a very good way to measure the power or authority of something because that word was used by humans to describe anything they worship, from the spirit of a blade of grass all the way to the White God. In the broad sense Bob would be a god is someone decided to worship him for his wisdom. Not saying that to weigh in on the Nagloshi vs valkyirie conversation, just trying to clarify terms, or as the case may be pointing out how unclear they really are.
The QM explicitly stated that we were not negotiating with Odin in an identity that is subordinate to Mab there, she isn't in the equation.
I really don't want to risk not having enough forces present to help our subordinates and I said I wanted to interact with Odin, so:
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