Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
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- Germany
Talking in mechanics, Daemons from WoD always get a roll to notice magical illusions and deceptions, and are immune to mind control effects by default.
I would not expect this Charm to work without allowing Anduriel a Perception+Awareness roll to notice what's going on.
[X] Your retired Shih tutor, as he should be an expert on hunting the Wan Kuei.
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- Germany
Besides the practicals, I'm also mildly interested if the Library gave Murphy any cool toys, now that she works for them in one of the more dangerous cities in America.
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
I do rather like the idea of being able to argue that Molly is more important than the rest of the world put together.
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Surprised Harry got no votes. He is going to be investigating without us. Then again I suppose it will be cool to come back and let him know that we figured it out. But I am a little worried that he is going to end up fighting the Jade Court well we aren't there.
The term "loyal opposition" does exist. If we are going with vast and 50+ billion souls living in the Courts, with the population being committed but not fanatical brainwashed slaves, then I am fairly sure that simply due to statistics, there will be people and organizations (hidden and not so hidden) dedicated to keeping their goddess in check, even while fully loyal to her. In the body and brain analogy, they would be self control, critical thinking, and mirror neurons all rolled into many organizations and systems. The parts of Molly's mind that tell her "no, this is a stupid idea, and you should feel bad for having it, and we'll make you feel bad for having it".
Yes, the more I think about it, the more existence of some kind of resistance movement (fluffed very carefully, and still mostly limited to the Great Sphere) makes sense. I'll be doing a revision and posting it later.
They are WoD Wan Kuei (kindred of the east) which are, in this quest, stated to be Jade Court vampires of the setting.
He's busy and we have been leaning on him a lot. At least that's my reasoning. Jade Court is here because of us, we should handle them without using up even more of his time.
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- Germany
@DragonParadox
Pretty sure Lydia's Charmset in the threadmark is an older version, could you copy in the edited one from a few pages later?
Pretty sure Lydia's Charmset in the threadmark is an older version, could you copy in the edited one from a few pages later?
Done, thanks for the heads up
Update will not be for a while guys I am still feeling under the weather and it's just hard to get into the proper state or mind to actually write.
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- Germany
You all did read the part that Murphy will be looking into this even if we don't take her with us?
Working together would keep her safer too.
Working together would keep her safer too.
Only if you're dealing in a natural development process, which we aren't.
I'm also really not interested in giving power to the inhabitants either. They live in Molly's soul, their fuck ups are always our problem.
At the very least devils living inside our soul are supposed to be, in some way, reflections of Molly the Primordial's mind. Since Molly has the capacity for self-reflection, self-control, and admitting "I am being a jerk and should change", it's reasonable to think that at least some percentage of her inner devils will serve as the spiritual embodiments of such thoughts. Not many - Molly is pretty self-assured, and not in a self-destructive way, since Molly is not prone to self-harm, but existence of "loyal opposition" in some form seems reasonable.
And, besides, I am mostly putting the opposition into the underice sphere. The ones in the main society would be pretty tame. And it's not like the institutions in general won't be keeping them in check.
The perk says "hate and want you to die" not "would prefer some political reform" though, so this is sort of moot.
Loyal opposition would probably still fall under the existing committed perk.
There's no reason to pick this particular poison in an environment where it's so easily used against us.
Which is why I am waiting for the judgement of whether hostile primitive tribes inhabiting the Great Labyrinth would be justification enough for the point buy.
The reason is that I am short one point of a perfect build (in my mind), and am completely unwilling to take Overpopulated.
Hate and want you to die could be reflection of Molly's residual (if small) self-loathing for what she did to her friends' minds.
More prosaically, it justifies Molly having a competent military and security forces in her Hell to call upon.
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Overpopulated seems significantly less unpleasant than formalized opposition to our rule.
The degree to which we have too many people is variable, but people wanting to limit Molly's control over her he'll are an opening for people like Winter, the thousand hells, the denarians, and a number of other actors to screw with us.
Even your loyal opposition concept is at risk of this, because actually pursuing their goals requires some new leverage and we cant expect them to sit on their hands forever. Playing with externals explicitly for the purposes of constraining our authority has the potential to move in bad directions for us.
It's essentially choosing to have an autoimmune disease.
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
I won't be voting to deliberately fuck up our Hell. No to overpopulation, no to active resistance movements. I would rather have a smaller, less developed Hell rather than get bonus points from selecting those disadvantages.
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- Terror Australis
I would vote against any Hell that involves large scale suffering built into its structure, like overpopulated or slave-realm. It also doesn't really seem like a good expression of Molly's soul either.
Resistance movement is possibly ok depending on framing, as it is solvable/manageable and could be thematically appropriate, but it is still an option to think hard about.
Resistance movement is possibly ok depending on framing, as it is solvable/manageable and could be thematically appropriate, but it is still an option to think hard about.
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I communicated badly, I apologize. The "loyal opposition" is not the thing I want to get additional point from. No, what I want to get it from are the primitive societies existing within the underground prison sphere. Here is what I am writing right now:
Essentially, I am populating the Great Labyrinth with tribes that would make us prove our worth to them by conquering them all. And until we do, they'll oppose us. It's basically a civilization-wide "prove your might" test, and a guilt-free way to train for large scale conflict leadership if needed.
They are a part of the population, and they would see us dead as a pretender to the throne, if we ever go into their part of the world. I think that's good enough, and it's not problematic.
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- Norway
I feel like a lot of Kakuri charms run into the trope of "Useless Useful Spell".
It's a waste of time and xp to buy a Kakuri charm for fucking with Random Mook #47 and his family when we can use Intimidation or Sword for 99% of the same effect.
But, buying a Kakuri charm for fucking with Nicodemus has a significant chance of also being a waste because Nicodemus has probably seen and accumulated defenses against a lot of magical fuckery in the millennia he's been active, and he's not going to politely tell us in advance which types he has defenses against or how strong they are.
There's a narrow range of mid-bosses that Kakuri charms are most likely to be good against.